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Charlz Guybon posted:One of the top vidoes on R/ukraine right now is a column of Russian tanks driving into a mine field one after another at Vuhledar. From looking at that there's also scattered artillery impacts around them. In the early days you'd see them come to a stop when the first vehicles exploded, and then taking a full barrage. They seem to have learned that stopping is bad. No good choices here, sit still taking a pounding from arty while non-enigneer (so untrained in mine clearing) dismounts try to clear a path, push forward and hope, or immediate retreat facing the commanders wrath back at base were the only options. They seem to fear the commanders wrath more than mines.
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Another big difference is that Ukraine has a lot of precision 155mm rounds that have become probably the single most effective way that Ukraine deals with stationary Russian vehicles.
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M_Gargantua posted:I imagine driving a tank requires more training than driving a car. And commanding and fighting with a tank takes quite a bit more than that. "Bribe Yuri and be platoon commander. Also, Sasha will show you how to make stove fuel drinkable with only stale bread and canteen. Good deal. Cash only, foreign exchange preferred". IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Feb 10, 2023 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:One of the top vidoes on R/ukraine right now is a column of Russian tanks driving into a mine field one after another at Vuhledar. quote:The Ukrainian army’s elite 72nd Mechanized Brigade is entrenched around Vuhledar. It has laid minefields along the main approaches from Pavlivka. Its drones surveil the front. Its artillery is dialed in. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...sh=478b1f795558
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It's funny because the first picture in that article has a T-72 with a mine roller attached, except half of the mine roller is missing... e: Oh I guess it was the T-80 referenced in the part you quoted.
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Caconym posted:From looking at that there's also scattered artillery impacts around them. Also Russian tanks are slow in reverse. Like walking speed slow. So, trying to reverse out of the kill box just leaves you in the kill box.
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From the latest ISW update:quote:A prominent Wagner-linked Russian milblogger called for the dismissal of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu over a Russian military uniform procurement scandal. Many prominent Russian military bloggers harshly criticized Shoigu and the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) over news that the 22-year-old son of the Russian Deputy Head of the Federal Agency for State Property Management won a contract to supply the Russian military with new uniforms.[10] The milbloggers argued that the new uniforms are of inferior quality and overpriced (costing about 130,000-210,000 rubles or $1,780 - $2,875 per uniform) and are part of a petty corruption scheme to enrich the families of Russian defense officials. The Grey Zone Telegram channel—a prominent Wagner Group-affiliated milblogger – wrote an explicative-laden rant to its 426,000 subscribers that Shoigu has lost credibility in front of the Russian nation and that Russian President Vladimir Putin can amend the situation by firing Shoigu, Shoigu’s "entourage" in the Russian General Staff and banning Shoigu and his associates from all Russian military affairs.[11] This is the latest episode in a string of events that has prompted Russian military blogger communities to attack the Russian MoD and senior Kremlin officials for petty corruption and ineptitude resulting in battlefield failures and worse quality of life for average Russian soldiers.[12] Can't imagine how much a Russian space pencil costs.
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Murgos posted:Also Russian tanks are slow in reverse. Like walking speed slow. So, trying to reverse out of the kill box just leaves you in the kill box. I didn't know Order # 227 was still in effect.
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Don't worry I'm sure more training (by the same guys that likely trained this lot) will solve this!
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Caconym posted:From looking at that there's also scattered artillery impacts around them. I'll be honest with you, we did a Combat team + a company - of french Vs EFP Lithuania and the amount of column movement we saw from the spanish and Italians was ridiculous, their obstacle crossing was chaos no run in times in order to mitigate traffic and just sat in the open, we could spot the pt91 of the poles easily as the smoke coming of the engines was wafting above the treeline. I think 14 Cr2s a company of infantry and a few leclercs and vabs held off an entire battlegroup.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure breaching an obstacle belt is probably the most complex combined arms operation you can do other than a river crossing or beach landing, which are frankly just natural obstacles in their own right.
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MonkeyLibFront posted:I'll be honest with you, we did a Combat team + a company - of french Vs EFP Lithuania and the amount of column movement we saw from the spanish and Italians was ridiculous, their obstacle crossing was chaos no run in times in order to mitigate traffic and just sat in the open, we could spot the pt91 of the poles easily as the smoke coming of the engines was wafting above the treeline. Can you expand on the players a little bit more? A BCT of US and french? Or just a reinforced french bct?
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Crab Dad posted:I can’t believe the MIC might save us from Russian intervention. The Vichy GOP sure as hell won't.
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Natty Ninefingers posted:Can you expand on the players a little bit more? A BCT of US and french? Or just a reinforced french bct? British combat team from EFP Estonia, so 8 British tanks plus around 4/6 leclercs with a company of infantry/recce in vabs, we had a mounted recce british troop on warrior along with around 30 dismounts on warrior, heavily reliant on jav and nlaw. They didn't expect us to forward mount our armour to destroy the combined ITA and Spanish recce screen. Tbh we just didn't see much manoeuvre from the EU lot. No Americans were involved in the exercise as it probably made the training area far too congested. No Canadians either.
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Do you pronounce recce as 'wrecky'?
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I've always said wrecky but I've also heard whee-key
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A.o.D. posted:Do you pronounce recce as 'wrecky'? Pretty much yeah.
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A.o.D. posted:Do you pronounce recce as 'wrecky'? Wait how do other people pronounce it?
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I say Reesee pieces
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I just read the word, not actually say it.
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yeah I just say recon if reconnaissance is too many syllables for some reason.
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Reese’s
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Re kon uh souuh
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okay this isn't exactly surprising coming from mikhalkov--he's been quite nationalist for a while--but this is profoundly stupid https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1624330710663266304
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VSOKUL girl posted:okay this isn't exactly surprising coming from mikhalkov--he's been quite nationalist for a while--but this is profoundly stupid That's just the tip of the iceberg. https://twitter.com/AndreiSoldatov/status/1624144830774317064?s=20&t=L6U153wzAtM0dU3lbN4UQw quote:Some of this is frankly bizarre. The pro-Kremlin tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda, very close to the Ministry of Defense, has been promoting “Orthodox battalions” in Donbas: these units have been named after saints in the hope of decreasing military losses, and it worked, the paper reported.
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Hannibal Rex posted:That's just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah they’ve been like that for a while: quote:April 5, 2012 https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/...&smid=share-url
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VSOKUL girl posted:okay this isn't exactly surprising coming from mikhalkov--he's been quite nationalist for a while--but this is profoundly stupid *me contemplating Roman graffiti of a gaping anus* "ah yes wisdom of the ancients. Which way Western men?"
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Alan Smithee posted:*me contemplating Roman graffiti of a gaping anus* Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men's behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity!
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Yeah they’ve been like that for a while the church being a very expensive, grifty af fancy dress bread and circuses affair is nothing new--that took off right around the start of Putin's regime as one of several "find something to fill the national cohesion void left by the fall of the USSR" projects. the current syncretism with the accidental Z war iconography is bizarre to watch though not really unprecedented (the whole "Bog s nami!" aspect of Russian militarism is not at all new, though it was maybe a bit on pause for most of the 20th century), but just very ??? to actually watch live in action
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A.o.D. posted:Do you pronounce recce as 'wrecky'? Absolutely
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Alan Smithee posted:*me contemplating Roman graffiti of a gaping anus* Any culture that produces their own version of goatse deserves to be taken seriously as a role model IMO.
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psydude posted:From the latest ISW update: This includes high quality boots, bodyarmor, and helmets right? RIGHT??????
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Chopstix posted:This includes high quality boots, bodyarmor, and helmets right? RIGHT?????? loll luh mao, even roffle, if you will
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Murgos posted:Also Russian tanks are slow in reverse. Like walking speed slow. So, trying to reverse out of the kill box just leaves you in the kill box. There's a video in one of the Ukraine war threads of a Ukrainian tank driver going on about how fast the locally produced T-8xxx variant is in reverse compared to Russian versions, he's just thrilled about it.
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Hannibal Rex posted:Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men's behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity! 
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It's a meatgrinder https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1624662811744911361
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Chopstix posted:This includes high quality boots, bodyarmor, and helmets right? RIGHT?????? And fresh bread twice a day.
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Losing almost an entire battalion each day. Jesus.
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I'd hate to see the Ukrainian side as well, I just can't see them producing great trained replacements for line infantry.
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MonkeyLibFront posted:I'd hate to see the Ukrainian side as well, I just can't see them producing great trained replacements for line infantry. I’d love to think that while defending, you don’t need as many highly trained/fit soldiers to hold ground. Assaults are more complex and require more soldiers than having a few dudes with machines holding down an avenue of approach. I want to think it, but I don’t know how true it is and I don’t want to get sad looking it up 
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