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tristeham posted:they were. the frankfurt scholl got a poo poo ton of funding from the CIA. Called it
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Feb 3, 2023 07:55
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tristeham posted:there's a collective book called Foucault and neoliberalism that has some pretty good essays. I found a really good two hour thing by this Gabriel Rockhill guy which doesn’t help enormously with Foucault but crystallizes a lot of thoughts. He also talks about what you all are talking about, three letter agencies deliberately cultivating an anti-communist left.
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Feb 3, 2023 08:20
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Sunny Side Up posted:I found a really good two hour thing by this Gabriel Rockhill guy which doesn’t help enormously with Foucault but crystallizes a lot of thoughts. He also talks about what you all are talking about, three letter agencies deliberately cultivating an anti-communist left. All of the.problems with the modern Western Left can be that they were trained wrong, on ourpose as an Op
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Feb 3, 2023 08:28
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Sunny Side Up posted:I just lament how much time I wasted getting smart in stupid ways
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Feb 3, 2023 14:40
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Throwing postmodernism as a whole into the bin is just bad. Poststructuralism and a lot of excellent Marxist developments came because of it. The Frankfurt School, however, is lol and lmao Angela Davies savaged them a few times and Lukacs famously dissed them about not wanting to compromise funding from West Germany IIRC
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Feb 3, 2023 15:02
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Shame Angela Davis tells people to vote for Democrats now
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Feb 3, 2023 15:48
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I’m late to the counterfactuals but isn’t it possible that more assistance to the Arab states in 56, 67 and 73 would make it less likely for the Saudis to destroy the Soviet economy via oil overproduction at the US’ behest?
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Feb 3, 2023 16:33
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What's with the Frankfurt School hate? Sure they were stuffy academic elitists or whatever but some of the stuff that Adorno and especially Walter Benjamin wrote is really good.
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Feb 3, 2023 17:27
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imho a lot of the frankfurter schüle hate is overblown and conspiratorial (it’s separated by like two degrees from the ‘adorno invented the Beatles to destroy western culture’ theories), but the second and third generation is pretty fail. loving habermas used to be president for gods sake
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Feb 3, 2023 17:36
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they killed eddie
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Feb 3, 2023 17:43
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Mechafunkzilla posted:What's with the Frankfurt School hate? Sure they were stuffy academic elitists or whatever but some of the stuff that Adorno and especially Walter Benjamin wrote is really good. I think Marcuse misdirected people into nihilistic pursuits from his own personal experience, focus on individualism (no wonder he was drawn to California), and psychologism. I used to worry a lot about "oh poo poo what if he was right???" There'd probably be some more people alive today whose lives were cut short, and with better ideas, if he never wrote that poo poo and didn't become some kind of "academic rockstar." e: I'm prone to forgetting salient things about his life and I lol every time quote:Between 1943 and 1950, Marcuse worked in US government service for the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of the Central Intelligence Agency) where he criticized the ideology of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in the book Soviet Marxism: A Critical Analysis (1958). In the 1960s and the 1970s he became known as the preeminent theorist of the New Left and the student movements of West Germany, France, and the United States; some consider him "the Father of the New Left".[9] thanks for nothing herb mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 17:57 on Feb 3, 2023 |
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Feb 3, 2023 17:47
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Mechafunkzilla posted:What's with the Frankfurt School hate? Sure they were stuffy academic elitists or whatever but some of the stuff that Adorno and especially Walter Benjamin wrote is really good. they’re morons op
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Feb 3, 2023 18:14
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mawarannahr posted:I think Marcuse misdirected people into nihilistic pursuits from his own personal experience, focus on individualism (no wonder he was drawn to California), and psychologism. I used to worry a lot about "oh poo poo what if he was right???" There'd probably be some more people alive today whose lives were cut short, and with better ideas, if he never wrote that poo poo and didn't become some kind of "academic rockstar." Trained wrong on purpose, as an op (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 3, 2023 19:17
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Walter Benjamin is a totally blessed one and completely not in the Adorno/Horkheimer institutional camp. Marcuse sidetracked a whole lot of poo poo with the new left idea, but honestly I think it is the same old thing since Kautsky, Bernstein, etc - misplaced and/or misguided criticism because of things not happening in some supposed way they should, which unfortunately, leads to a rather convenient position in favor of the establishment that very much wants to destroy them too That’s why Zizek did a lot of good by trolling the poo poo out of that position
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Feb 4, 2023 00:49
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https://twitter.com/BadSocialisms/status/1620066698794766338
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Feb 4, 2023 10:08
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Frosted Flake posted:I’m late to the counterfactuals but isn’t it possible that more assistance to the Arab states in 56, 67 and 73 would make it less likely for the Saudis to destroy the Soviet economy via oil overproduction at the US’ behest? Wouldn't it be better to USSR to develope economy not dependent on oil prices?
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Feb 4, 2023 11:07
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Fish of hemp posted:Wouldn't it be better to USSR to develope economy not dependent on oil prices? oil was and is the currency of the world. what should they have done instead?
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Feb 4, 2023 15:27
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mass produced consumer goods for the west!!
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Feb 4, 2023 18:44
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yeah, the US got a second wind by increasingly exporting tech and capital to...the People's Republic of China?
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Feb 4, 2023 18:55
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croup coughfield posted:oil was and is the currency of the world. what should they have done instead? Anarcho-primitivism
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Feb 4, 2023 18:58
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Taffer posted:A guy I've been arguing politics with wants me to read Bookchin. Is he worth reading? bookchin is funny because he does some serious thinking about how an anarchist force could actually win and use power to run one or several cities and his reward is that other anarchists call him a statist or whatever for suggesting that we might need to do anything besides make really radical street art there's a line i like from religious debates where a nonbeliever tells a believer "we are both atheists; i merely deny one more god than you do". likewise i would say to bookchin "we are both authoritarians," Ferrinus has issued a correction as of 19:31 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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Feb 4, 2023 19:25
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giving some thought to chaining the mouse guy
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Feb 4, 2023 20:15
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Fish of hemp posted:This is not true, you are right. never mind I love them
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Feb 4, 2023 20:22
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I’ve got this socialist book club doing Foundryside by Robert Jackson Bennett this month (we alternate theory and fiction) since I think it’s a stellar exploration of commodity fetishism, alienation, and exploitation (also the limits of idealism). Found out (mostly reading his tweets) the author is a technoutopian Democrat (not even pro-Bernie). He seems to dislike socialism because while he accurately understands it takes hundreds of years to change modes of production he seems to think that means you have to do incremental political change. It’s like he accidentally backed into a good socialist trilogy that aptly describes crucial concepts (up there with the best of them). Really weird and if I was analyzing a movie instead I’d say it wasn’t possible.
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Feb 6, 2023 06:14
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https://twitter.com/Focus_entmt/status/1620779122107506689?t=TtJtDSZJ52MBafL0Xau_yg&s=19 im sure this games story about an AltUniverse USSR will be well thought out and not at all like something out of one of James Jesus Angleton's fever dreams  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) BornAPoorBlkChild has issued a correction as of 07:29 on Feb 10, 2023 |
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Feb 10, 2023 07:25
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https://twitter.com/Claude_kon/status/1622851910373097472 more seriously i'll be surprised if the USSR portrayal in this game is positive overall despite the vibes and tropes in that trailer (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 10, 2023 09:50
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https://twitter.com/hum_dunkin/status/1623413826518503429 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 10, 2023 13:27
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aids
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Feb 10, 2023 13:59
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AnimeIsTrash posted:aids
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Feb 10, 2023 14:09
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AnimeIsTrash posted:aids
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Feb 10, 2023 15:11
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(you will learn not to post tweets in this thread, in time - consider this your trial by fire) I forgot to write a post-mortem after I finished it two weeks ago but in case me posting excerpts was not evidence enough I quite liked "Terrorism and Communism" by Trotsky (with a foreword by Slavoj Zizek). It's written as a response to Karl Kautsky's criticisms of the USSR in the heady days of 1920, and I think it mostly works because it isn't yet bound up in "Stalinism" or having to rebut the crushing of the Hungarian operation like you would trying to do that at any other time*, to say nothing of how it's coming from someone that we mostly remember now for being opposed to the USSR. ___ * I've had a similar experience with reading The Making of the President 1972, which was written before Watergate really got going, and as a result manages to explain Nixon's re-election in a far more materialist and actual, at-the-time domestic politics kind of way, rather than anything that came after which commits the sin of attributing everything to CREEP.
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Feb 10, 2023 15:24
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love him or hate him, trotsky was a pretty good writer with ideas that a lot of marxists here would agree with if they werent busy doing meme poo poo speaking of materialist nixon, ive been wondering a lot lately about how much of the media blow-up over watergate was gassed by oil or manufacturing interests pissed off about the implementation of price controls
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Feb 10, 2023 16:45
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croup coughfield posted:speaking of materialist nixon, ive been wondering a lot lately about how much of the media blow-up over watergate was gassed by oil or manufacturing interests pissed off about the implementation of price controls I've long been a believer that Nixon was couped, though usually it's from the direction of pulling out of Vietnam hurting CIA drug ops and engaging in detente You raise a good point about domestic interests
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Feb 10, 2023 17:03
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gradenko_2000 posted:I've long been a believer that Nixon was couped, though usually it's from the direction of pulling out of Vietnam hurting CIA drug ops and engaging in detente gerald ford was the perfect president
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Feb 10, 2023 17:09
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croup coughfield posted:gerald ford was the perfect president And had the funniest name!
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Feb 10, 2023 17:19
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Nixon was the last president who personally exercised meaningful authority outside of corporate interests, he was just such a petty, venal, small-minded guy he used it to personally gently caress with his enemies as much as possible, rather than do anything big with it. By the time he got reelected the powers that be considered him a liability because his petty poo poo and inability to be controlled was loving with their money, so they used one of the myriad of really dumb things he was doing to take him out and install Ford, who was the very definition of a corporate owned politician. As a side-note on Ford, we basically only have MLMs today because of him. When he was in Congress, his district was the home of Amway, which the feds were well on their way to regulating out of business, but when Jerry got into office, he put a stop to that immediately. I'd also argue that beyond Nixon loving with their money, the powers that be also realized that the kind of actual power Nixon wielded, which they'd previously used to their own ends, wasn't worth the risk that they might get someone in there who would seriously try to buck them. By that time, they were well on their way to breaking union power and crushing the left, and my theory is that the fear of the Left in the 60s is the only thing that kept them from doing what they did sooner.
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Feb 10, 2023 17:22
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KomradeX posted:Shame Angela Davis tells people to vote for Democrats now This 
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Feb 10, 2023 17:23
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mawarannahr posted:I think Marcuse misdirected people into nihilistic pursuits from his own personal experience, focus on individualism (no wonder he was drawn to California), and psychologism. I used to worry a lot about "oh poo poo what if he was right???" There'd probably be some more people alive today whose lives were cut short, and with better ideas, if he never wrote that poo poo and didn't become some kind of "academic rockstar." Lmao that he was OSS
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Feb 10, 2023 17:26
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gradenko_2000 posted:(you will learn not to post tweets in this thread, in time - consider this your trial by fire) The Hungarian revolution was crushed in early 1920 though. shame it's apparently not touched on.
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I'm reading a (not particularly good) book on Marx's philosophical/theoretical development, but it did have an interesting anecdote I was unaware of. Princess Vicky (Queen Victoria's daughter) was curious what Marx was like so she asked a Scottish MP to have a chat with him. This is the MP's letter to her the day after he and Marx talked for a few hours at the Devonshire Club. quote:
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