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if untrained psykers are so dangerous and show up in every population then why are they still finding uncontacted planets in 40k? they might be back street psychics, card readers or shamans but they exist, so it makes no sense that theyre all timebombs.
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Feb 11, 2023 03:08
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Nuclear War posted:if untrained psykers are so dangerous and show up in every population then why are they still finding uncontacted planets in 40k? they might be back street psychics, card readers or shamans but they exist, so it makes no sense that theyre all timebombs. Because they just shoot them in the back of the head and move on? It's not like those planets don't know the risks as well as then imperium.
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Feb 11, 2023 04:24
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There's plenty of lore about planets that have past chaos worship in their history, and plenty more about various folkways that mitigated the risk of psykers. I know Fire Caste dealt explicitly with both. Which is also why the Imperium is bad - there may very well be ways to make psykers less of a risk to themselves and their neighbors but the Imperium would never try them even if they were more effective than how they currently do things.
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Feb 11, 2023 04:44
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Nuclear War posted:if untrained psykers are so dangerous and show up in every population then why are they still finding uncontacted planets in 40k? they might be back street psychics, card readers or shamans but they exist, so it makes no sense that theyre all timebombs. it's almost like they might not all actually be timebombs every time
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Feb 11, 2023 06:19
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Mikojan posted:Didn't expect Alpharius to be so short of a book. Now I need something else to keep me busy till Abnett's siege. I just finished Assasinorun: Kingmaker. That's one of the best BL books of the last few years. It's got a team of assassins from different temples with interesting personalities and unstable team dynamics. The mission and its resolution go hilariously to poo poo, leaving a much worse crisis to deal with. There's a lot of intrigue and political chicanery going on in the Knightly order involved, and a lot of good combat scenes both small-scale and massive knight battles. Book slaps, sequel when? Same author as The Infinite and the Divine, Rath has landed with a big splash. If Grumpy Old Men but Necrons is more your thing, read that instead. Both novels are excellent.
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Feb 11, 2023 06:22
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Improbable Lobster posted:it's almost like they might not all actually be timebombs every time Enslavers are stated and have demonstrated to be able to turn pretty much any psychic being into a warp portal, and those just float around in the warp till they find a host. Sanctioned Pyskers are marginally better at not getting turned in a portal due to the whole soulbond thing. habeasdorkus posted:There's plenty of lore about planets that have past chaos worship in their history, and plenty more about various folkways that mitigated the risk of psykers. I know Fire Caste dealt explicitly with both. Which is also why the Imperium is bad - there may very well be ways to make psykers less of a risk to themselves and their neighbors but the Imperium would never try them even if they were more effective than how they currently do things. Im almost positive you are talking about the witch in firecaste. The one that had the literal giant viking minder who followed her around with explicit instructions to decapitate her if she went warp crazy. This practice is also heavily encouraged by the Imperium (because it's literally what they do with commisars) Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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Feb 11, 2023 07:19
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Telsa Cola posted:Enslavers are stated and have demonstrated to be able to turn pretty much any psychic being into a warp portal, and those just float around in the warp till they find a host. And therefore...? The Imperium doesn't have a monopoly on keeping psykers and their abilities in check. They went to war with far more enlightened and advanced civilizations.
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Feb 11, 2023 07:46
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S.J. posted:And therefore...? If a enslaver is able to turn any human psyker into a warp portal then that's pretty solid evidence that every human psyker is potentially a time bomb that can doom a planet. Feel free to provide examples of how these human societies dealt with psykers then?
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Feb 11, 2023 08:10
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Telsa Cola posted:If a enslaver is able to turn any human psyker into a warp portal then that's pretty solid evidence that every human psyker is potentially a time bomb that can doom a planet. they put the interex in there specifically for this purpose are you one of those 'the imperium is justified' weirdoes?
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Feb 11, 2023 08:16
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they put the interex in there specifically for this purpose IIRC the interex have zero mention of psykers, we literally do not know how they dealt with them. The interex was put in as a foil to the whole xenocidal nature of the IoM. IMO a better faction to chose is the Tau since they have a bunch of human planets and a fairly large human population but it's also never really discussed. I'm more one of those "40k started as satire but in the decades since the authors have completely written themselves into a corner in regards to that claim by overexplaining things and protaganist syndrome " weridos. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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Feb 11, 2023 08:21
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mllaneza posted:I just finished Assasinorun: Kingmaker. That's one of the best BL books of the last few years. It's got a team of assassins from different temples with interesting personalities and unstable team dynamics. The mission and its resolution go hilariously to poo poo, leaving a much worse crisis to deal with. There's a lot of intrigue and political chicanery going on in the Knightly order involved, and a lot of good combat scenes both small-scale and massive knight battles. Book slaps, sequel when? Oh Ive read the necron one, thanks I'll def give it a look. Can't be worse than Nemesis right?
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Feb 11, 2023 08:30
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Improbable Lobster posted:it's almost like they might not all actually be timebombs every time An authoritarian government vastly inflating, or outright inventing, a risk posed by a minority group in order to justify further oppression, you say? I feel like I've heard this one before somewhere.
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Feb 11, 2023 10:06
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Mikojan posted:Oh Ive read the necron one, thanks I'll def give it a look. Can't be worse than Nemesis right? Kingmaker is good. If Eisenhorn is a 10 then it would be a very solid 8. Nemesis is probably in the negative numbers by it's reputation here.
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Feb 11, 2023 10:49
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I’m about to get to Nemesis. Wish me luck.
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Feb 11, 2023 11:33
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CottonWolf posted:I’m about to get to Nemesis. Wish me luck. Good luck, it's fun. Everyone else can go suck a baneblade.
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Feb 11, 2023 11:49
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It helps if you imagine the assasins on the ship being in a reality TV show and theyre all angsty instagram teenagers
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Feb 11, 2023 12:31
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Telsa Cola posted:Enslavers are stated and have demonstrated to be able to turn pretty much any psychic being into a warp portal, and those just float around in the warp till they find a host. Soulbinding is an astropath thing IIRC
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Feb 11, 2023 17:01
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Which reminds me of another point. No new Astropaths in the Imperium Nihilus.
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Feb 11, 2023 17:44
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Pretty sure Imperium Nihilus is gonna end up being a vehicle for a good/bad Imperium split. Nihilus will be the good Imperium.
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Feb 11, 2023 17:54
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Demiurge4 posted:Pretty sure Imperium Nihilus is gonna end up being a vehicle for a good/bad Imperium split. Nihilus will be the good Imperium. I'm thinking (or hoping, at least) that they're going to establish Imperium Nihilus as being the wild west clusterfuck that much of the Imperium was characterised as in the Rogue Trader era. The vaguest pretense of Imperial control, painted over what is actually a constant swirling bar room brawl with loyalists and chaos and xenos and separatists smashing chairs and tables over each other's heads all day every day forever.
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Feb 11, 2023 18:26
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Roller Coast Guard posted:I'm thinking (or hoping, at least) that they're going to establish Imperium Nihilus as being the wild west clusterfuck that much of the Imperium was characterised as in the Rogue Trader era. The vaguest pretense of Imperial control, painted over what is actually a constant swirling bar room brawl with loyalists and chaos and xenos and separatists smashing chairs and tables over each other's heads all day every day forever. Ah yes the Looney Tunes sector
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Feb 11, 2023 18:39
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I think Wrath and Glory, the 40k RPG game is canonically set in Nihilus. Presumably there's setting stuff in there, but I haven't looked at it (although I'm an RPG guy) yet. I know the whole 'Yo, everythings hosed!' thing is the excuse why disparate parties of PC's can end up together rather than the 'Everybodies a Astartes/Guardsman/etc' of the FFG games.
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Feb 11, 2023 18:45
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Fire Caste The Knight failing was heartbreaking
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Feb 11, 2023 19:24
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Deptfordx posted:Which reminds me of another point. Yes and this was something obvious I have been wondering for quite a while why GW wasn't really acknowledging it in the lore but it's a problem featured in the new Angron book so somebody caught on.
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Feb 11, 2023 19:33
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Feb 11, 2023 19:44
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Dick Trauma posted:https://twitter.com/HorrorHammer1/status/1624470823628054529?s=20&t=vHyfJ9oAeAMKF6DavlI5jA i feel alot better about my habits now(also because i also work)
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Feb 11, 2023 20:22
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Deptfordx posted:I think Wrath and Glory, the 40k RPG game is canonically set in Nihilus. The other RPG, Imperium Maledictum, that’s coming out in about a month is much more my speed. It’s basically WHFR 4th ed crossed with Dark Heresy. It’s not Nihilus though.
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Feb 11, 2023 20:28
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i feel alot better about my habits now(also because i also work) Which Warhammer army would Cushing have chosen to buy?
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Feb 11, 2023 20:28
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Telsa Cola posted:If a enslaver is able to turn any human psyker into a warp portal then that's pretty solid evidence that every human psyker is potentially a time bomb that can doom a planet. Do you not get that the fiction is written from the perspective of the Imperium, or...?
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Feb 11, 2023 20:32
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CottonWolf posted:The other RPG, Imperium Maledictum, that’s coming out in about a month is much more my speed. It’s basically WHFR 4th ed crossed with Dark Heresy. It’s not Nihilus though. I hadn't realised it was so soon. Isn't using the WFRP 4th* as a base, repeating the same mistake as WRFP 2nd edition and Deathwatch** I.e. A system built to handle 'Ratcatcher with a small but vicious Dog' and escalating to 'Knight in plate with big weapon' doesn't scale well to Plasma Guns and Power Armour. Weren't those old FFG games all super rocket tag? Also I'm very much ehhhhh on WFRP4 as a ruleset. Too many rules, not sufficently playtested. *Which I am very familiar with, running the new version ofThe Enemy Within campaign at the moment. **Which is the only one of those FFG games I have played.
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Feb 11, 2023 21:08
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real modern war basically is rocket tag. 40k doesnt care about simulating it... what it effectively does simulate is the last time melee weapons and shock war were viable. napoleonic or early modern skirmish, just like whf itself. so really they should use whfrp and just grep knight and replace w space marine
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Feb 11, 2023 21:10
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all sniping weapons in video and tt games converge to the range and deadliness of an arquebus, because that was the last sniping weapon where an armored guy with a polearm was a credible threat to them. doesnt matter if the set dressing is space marines go pew pew or magic longbows or whatever
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Feb 11, 2023 21:23
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Deptfordx posted:I hadn't realised it was so soon. I’ve not played WFRP 4th, but I have very fond memories of 2nd from when I was a child. That was also rocket tag as hell.
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Feb 11, 2023 21:34
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Dick Trauma posted:Which Warhammer army would Cushing have chosen to buy? Guard
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Feb 11, 2023 21:38
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CottonWolf posted:I’ve not played WFRP 4th, but I have very fond memories of 2nd from when I was a child. That was also rocket tag as hell. I played a ton of WFRP 2 and I absolutely wouldn't call that rocket tag at all. A tough character in good armour is extremely tanky. bob dobbs is dead posted:real modern war basically is rocket tag. Right, but that's no fun as a game*, so if your RPG game is that realistic you hosed up. * Alright, I'll grant you a percentage of people do enjoy stuff like Phoenix Command or other super-groggy gun stuff, but it's super-niche.
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Feb 11, 2023 21:42
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Deptfordx posted:I played a ton of WFRP 2 and I absolutely wouldn't call that rocket tag at all. A tough character in good armour is extremely tanky. Our characters dropped like flies, but maybe we were doing something wrong. We were children. E: Oh, I lie. Looking at the release dates, it must have been 1st ed we were playing. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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Feb 11, 2023 21:48
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Most of the time Warhammer war comes off as a mix of Napoleonic and pop-culture WWI. I think officers still carried swords at the start of WWI though.
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Feb 11, 2023 22:09
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I played a decent amount of 2nd edition, and while it certainly might not be difficult for any given character to die, if you actually built around heavy armor and parrying/blocking etc you could absolutely just shrug a lot of stuff off. I haven't played 4th though, I've heard it's a lot like 2e. Hell, even evasive characters could be genuinely hard to kill.
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Feb 11, 2023 22:10
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CottonWolf posted:Our characters dropped like flies, but maybe we were doing something wrong. We were children.  DaysBefore posted:Most of the time Warhammer war comes off as a mix of Napoleonic and pop-culture WWI. I think officers still carried swords at the start of WWI though. 
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DaysBefore posted:Most of the time Warhammer war comes off as a mix of Napoleonic and pop-culture WWI. I think officers still carried swords at the start of WWI though. WFRP is mostly early modern, but the wizards/vampires/hellvikings/leonardo davinci steam tanks punch things up a bit. Dwarfs have internal combustion engines, but they make each and every one by hand because that's how their father and his father did it.
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