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15 | 3.71% |
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I can understand some people wanting to help defend Ukraine based on how the ongoing civil war has been reported but I can’t understand anyone thinking Ukraine is a democracy. e: since I snipe I will link NPR of all things saying Zelenskyy has consolidated Ukraine's TV outlets and dissolved rival political parties https://www.npr.org/2022/07/08/1110577439/zelenskyy-has-consolidated-ukraines-tv-outlets-and-dissolved-rival-political-par And even before the current SMO many parties were banned. Now the defense is that all these parties are Russian fifth-columnists and banning them is good, but I still don’t see how that is democratic. Turtle Watch has issued a correction as of 02:29 on Feb 12, 2023 |
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Slavvy posted:Whoa which democratic country is under attack?? Russia
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Feb 12, 2023 02:29
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Feb 12, 2023 02:33
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what that Z in the top right corner
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Feb 12, 2023 02:34
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Jel Shaker posted:not sure i approve of this thoughtful approach to war, i prefer units being flung all over the place for spectacular battles with questionable, if any, gains My approach to war was always to simply group up the whole screen of mammoth tanks to "1" and tell them to attack the enemy base. Or if playing NOD the same thing but a shitload of laser tanks & aircraft. War just isn't that complicated.
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Feb 12, 2023 02:34
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Regarde Aduck posted:the fate of the western world is at stake if we don't stop the Russian attack that isn't coming because Russia has already lost Everyone outside of Europe: Oh well, shame. Keep making those luxury sunglasses and shoes Europe. That's all we care about.
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Feb 12, 2023 02:35
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Turtle Watch posted:I can understand some people wanting to help defend Ukraine based on how the ongoing civil war has been reported but I can’t understand anyone thinking Ukraine is a democracy. the idea is that since ukraine subscribes to a pro-western, european view of the modern project, they're a democracy, because that is what being a democracy basically is to most westerners. there are elections, which are relatively fair, for public office; this can be seen in poroshenko actually losing in 2019. public office has enumerated powers, which are reasonably clearly defined and delineated. finally, they believe in our project of modernity, which we call "rule of the people" regardless of what we think about the people ruling much of anything. banning parties, random militiamen being able to openly mock the elected head of the executive to his face, the intense corruption and disenfranchisement of minorities - none of this outweighs the formal commitments and the substantial commitment to the western ideological programme. you can see something of the kind being advanced to make israel the only democracy in the middle east, or back in the day to claim that apartheid south africa was a democratic state. we would not recognise as a democracy a society in which "the people" had a greater say in the direct running of the state, but which subscribed to some other formal-institutional framework or a different project of modernity - the closest i can think of would be something like grenada, where things were supposedly run by local citizens' assemblies and syndicates, and where the role of the state was perceived as effectively a secretariat to these decisionmaking bodies.
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Feb 12, 2023 02:40
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https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/status/1624479384059932673
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Feb 12, 2023 02:42
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Slavvy posted:Whoa which democratic country is under attack?? Ukraine is perceived as being democratic in the US and in the West in general. That can account to the difference in support for war today as opposed to the wars in the distant past, where democracy was freely given to those in the desert who hadn't had the taste of moist lips of freedom.
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Feb 12, 2023 02:43
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Yeah that makes sense, democracy is based on vibes e: responding to V. Ilych
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Feb 12, 2023 02:46
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I would not be surprised if the nyt called Saudi Arabia or Israel “democracies”
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Feb 12, 2023 02:46
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Our mismanged lovely island is falling apart from decades of incompetent leadership and rot. What do we do? (snaps fingers) Blame magical ninja spies!
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Feb 12, 2023 02:59
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euphronius posted:I would not be surprised if the nyt called Saudi Arabia or Israel “democracies” https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-map?type=fotn&year=2022 i think they intentionally leave israel off so they don't have to say anything, they're at 'no data'. saudi has a higher score than iran and china there was another democracy map that was making the rounds a couple weeks ago that kinda reflected this one
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Feb 12, 2023 03:00
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DancingShade posted:Our mismanged lovely island is falling apart from decades of incompetent leadership and rot. What do we do? Margaret Thatcher was a real life Manchurian Candidate, OP! Blair too!
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Feb 12, 2023 03:00
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Spain is not free lol hahahah
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Feb 12, 2023 03:01
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the definition of democracy and peace process https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIMsH33DtEM
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Feb 12, 2023 03:01
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I have labeled all my enemies not free. What a coincidence
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Feb 12, 2023 03:01
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"kamikaze spies" sounds counterproductive i would like my spies to stay alive as long as possible to keep spying
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Feb 12, 2023 03:02
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euphronius posted:I have labeled all my enemies not free. What a coincidence i'm surprised that turkey's so low tbh, plus a pretty weird mix of countries when they can't get half of europe
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Feb 12, 2023 03:03
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euphronius posted:Spain is not free lol Big Franco fan, eh? 
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Feb 12, 2023 03:06
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comedyblissoption posted:the definition of democracy and peace process A handy video and very good of you to post it. If anyone needs a primer this would be it.
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Feb 12, 2023 03:18
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comedyblissoption posted:it matters for this conflict! aoc and bernie are training their base to be more warmongering and bloodthirsty than republicans! do you honestly believe Bernie, who was pro intervention in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, ever had a particularly principled pacifist base democrats are exactly the same thing as republicans, these signals are understood to be entirely partisan rather than based in any anti war ideology. reading into this signaling as significant in anyone's political development is missing the forest for the trees. mass political indoctrination isn't accomplished by legislators' occasional sound bites
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Feb 12, 2023 03:27
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indigi posted:do you honestly believe Bernie, who was pro intervention in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, ever had a particularly principled pacifist base Am I wrong to think that a lot of these people especially the Tucker Carson types are "we need to fight the real war against China, not against liberal economic/socially conservative White potential allies like Russia"
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Feb 12, 2023 03:31
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V. Illych L. posted:there are elections, which are relatively fair, Please ignore the repeated coups when we don't like the results. Or the millions of dollars we pump in to influencing those elections.
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Feb 12, 2023 03:31
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/3662a707-0af9-3149-963f-47bea720b460 quote:Le Queux had started off as a journalist on the Daily Mail - but then had travelled around Europe getting to know lots of famous and infamous people. But as he did so he became convinced that many of the European countries, but most of all Germany, envied Britain and wanted to get their hands on the wealth of the Empire. quote:"One of the most famous successes of the British Security Service was its great spy round-up of August 1914. The event is still celebrated by MI5, but a careful study of the recently-opened records show it to be a complete fabrication - MI5 created and perpetuated this remarkable lie. Also this: quote:Cradock - along with a number of others high up in the intelligence agencies - really believed that Gorbachev's reforms were just a cunning ruse to deceive the West. And - as Mark Urban has pointed out in his book UK Eyes Alpha - Sir Percy used his position to make sure that this view dominated the Joint Intelligence Committee. Reminiscent of a modern day thing too?
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Feb 12, 2023 03:32
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I'm sorry but faking something to justify your existence is like the job description of any state security service.
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Feb 12, 2023 03:47
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Isentropy posted:Am I wrong to think that a lot of these people especially the Tucker Carson types are "we need to fight the real war against China, not against liberal economic/socially conservative White potential allies like Russia" they absolutely are. but even if they weren't, they'd become hawks again as soon as Trump or DeSantis said when
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Feb 12, 2023 03:51
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Lostconfused posted:So that artillery school PR piece had some stuff in it like Yeah we have the annual Artillery Ball too
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Feb 12, 2023 04:12
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Weka posted:
Imagine how bad the kasha made out of the people in that building would taste
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Feb 12, 2023 04:19
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Frosted Flake posted:Yeah we have the annual Artillery Ball too loving monarchies, can't believe bolsheviks didn't put an end to this poo poo. Ooooo horrible bloody red terror can't even deal with one royalist tradition.
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Feb 12, 2023 04:56
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The Bolsheviks weren't party poopers 
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Feb 12, 2023 05:04
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The Bolsheviks weren't party poopers I'd ask the spd and mensheviks about that
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Feb 12, 2023 05:13
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New reading series just dropped:
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Isentropy posted:Am I wrong to think that a lot of these people especially the Tucker Carson types are "we need to fight the real war against China, not against liberal economic/socially conservative White potential allies like Russia" That, and of course, the need to bring the troops home so they can inflict the horrors of empire domestically.
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Feb 12, 2023 06:16
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Majorian posted:That, and of course, the need to bring the troops home so they can inflict the horrors of empire domestically. Can't bring the troops home while there is a need to project power to ensure petrodollar dominance. And whenever that changes (because nothing lasts forever) who knows if home is where the troops will want to finish up. In a real collapse taken from any number of cyberpunk themed novels the overseas troops just get abandoned entirely and have to figure out their own survival or way home.
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Feb 12, 2023 06:23
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DancingShade posted:Can't bring the troops home while there is a need to project power to ensure petrodollar dominance. And whenever that changes (because nothing lasts forever) who knows if home is where the troops will want to finish up. Well Ukrainians certainly don't want to finish up in Ukraine. Anyone that has, or will have, an opportunity is fleeing to Europe. Americas for the more political ones probably. Don't know where the Americans would want to run to though.
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Feb 12, 2023 06:34
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DancingShade posted:Can't bring the troops home while there is a need to project power to ensure petrodollar dominance. And whenever that changes (because nothing lasts forever) who knows if home is where the troops will want to finish up. Well I guess that's better than a new Freikorps... 
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Feb 12, 2023 06:35
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DancingShade posted:
Would the Czech Legion count here?
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Isentropy posted:Am I wrong to think that a lot of these people especially the Tucker Carson types are "we need to fight the real war against China, not against liberal economic/socially conservative White potential allies like Russia" they seem pretty explicit about it.
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