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Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

ColdPie posted:

Where are you seeing 12mm? The first photo looks like 4mm at the twelfth fret.


OP could take a bit off the bridge, but it doesn't strike me as super out of spec? My nylon string is about 3mm. Nylon strings move more than steel so they have higher action to avoid fret buzz. It might seem too high if you're not used to it.

E: Also it's short scale which means less tension, so higher action/relief to compensate, right?

(squinting) you're right, i'm an idiot who doesn't know how to read -- i know even less than i thought

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TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

I don't know if you've already discussed this before but the Epiphone Probucker IIs on aliexpress are legit. They measure out at about 8kOhm, 4.5H and 120pF which is bang-on standard PAF specs.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801254710528.html

They sound great.

I was actually thinking about these because they have a coil split and I want zebra bobbins for my Artcore because I just don’t like the look of metal covered humbuckers. Also they were pre soldered to the pots.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Helianthus Annuus posted:

Can you unpack "or something like that?" Instead of naming a specific model of guitar, let's think about what features are best for you. My picks for your specific needs (and where i don't know what you like, i say so and pick the option i would choose):

stainless steel frets because your nickel silver frets on the strat are already played out. i think you must have a monkey grip! :argh:

i dunno what height frets you might want... i like medium jumbo, because it makes bends easy, but slides might be bumpier. some kind of jumbo would give you a longer lifespan on the frets, too. :derptiel:

guitar neck width, shape, radius, etc: no idea! depends on your hand and your technique. i have owned different guitars with different necks, and i like playing on all of them. but maybe i just got lucky. just to throw something out there, my G&L that i like is 1.625" nut width, 9.5" radius, Medium C shape

carbon rod reinforced neck if you're gonna leave your guitar in the hot trunk of a car, those carbon will help. this could very well be why your strat is hosed, by the way! another premium feature that makes the guitar durable. also makes it lighter!

scale length: 24.75" i think you said? which wouldn't be my pick, but plenty of people like it a lot. 25" and multiscale should also be considered.

some kind of hard-tail bridge that's comfy for palm muting. i think the tuno-o-matics on the gibsons are only so-so for this, but a lot of people disagree with me :shrug:

light weight body, ideally less than 6.5 lbs total. with belly cut and forearm bevel.

pickups: no idea, i like both humbuckers and single coils! whatever you like, the guitar should have stock pickups with usable sounds in every switch position, because it's more fun to play guitar than it is to think about electronics IMO.

is that it? ...what am i forgetting?

Now, i know what you're thinking: "sunflower guy, you moron, i dont have any money, and this poo poo sounds expensive!" and to that i would say, "it is! and all the more reason to spend your money judiciously... once you have gotten a few pay checks".

it doesn't make economic sense to get a new neck on a 400 dollar guitar. but for some people, it might make aesthetic or sentimental sense. it can make sense to get fretwork done IMO, unless you're somehow bringing the same guitar in for work over and over. at some point, i think its throwing good money after bad.

i don't even know. i think my "i should get another guitar" poo poo is mostly just because i'm upset with the strat at the moment for being screwy.

i do want a different single coil guitar to replace this telecaster but it might just end up being a jaguar or something. realistically the tuning stability isn't that bad, i just need to tune each time i start playing. an aggressive guitar (JB strat) and a soft guitar (jaguar).

i think maybe i did play a lot more than i think i did, because i've been thinking in days in rather than hours.

most days during the summer i would literally play for eight straight hours unless i was working... and they were only giving me like two six hour shifts a week during those months. same applies for a lot of weekends during school.

i don't know. i like the strat. i'm gonna pay to get fretwork done on it.

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
Offsets are ftw in both aesthetics and who uses them, and I wouldve gotten a Jazzmaster as my first guitar if there wasnt a good deal on a used Strat from a local shop. I just wanna be Hisako Tabuchi

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Buschmaki posted:

Offsets are ftw in both aesthetics and who uses them, and I wouldve gotten a Jazzmaster as my first guitar if there wasnt a good deal on a used Strat from a local shop. I just wanna be Hisako Tabuchi

oh yeah, she's amazing.

i'm a big lindsey jordan fan especially the first snail mail album, absolutely adore what she does with the jaguar and getting that percussive sound with jazz chords.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
it says here that you can get a carbon fiber electric guitar neck for 400 dollars https://klosguitars.com/products/carbon-neck-upgrade

that seems cheap to me -- is that cheaper than a refret? it's cheaper than a warmoth neck...

zelah
Dec 1, 2004

Diabetes, you are not invited to my pizza party.
Every time I see the name Lindsey Jordan I think Leslie Jordan may he r i p

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Helianthus Annuus posted:

it says here that you can get a carbon fiber electric guitar neck for 400 dollars https://klosguitars.com/products/carbon-neck-upgrade

that seems cheap to me -- is that cheaper than a refret? it's cheaper than a warmoth neck...

Idk poo poo about what a carbon fiber neck offers but these look dope, if I ever do some kinda franken guitar project I wanna remember this

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

Helianthus Annuus posted:

it says here that you can get a carbon fiber electric guitar neck for 400 dollars https://klosguitars.com/products/carbon-neck-upgrade

that seems cheap to me -- is that cheaper than a refret? it's cheaper than a warmoth neck...

It could depend on how many frets on a neck need to be replaced. If only 5 frets are unsalvageable, I think that would be a faster job. IANAL, of course (I am not a luthier).

However, it might still be too expensive to make sense, and a luthier might try to save you from yourself when you ask to partially refret an import neck that's less than 5 years old.

You can get a roasted maple replacement neck from Fender at list price of $350. And I think the tuners could just be swapped over from the existing neck since the holes appear to be pre-drilled.
https://www.fender.com/en-US/parts/necks/roasted-maple-stratocaster-neck-21-narrow-tall-frets-9.5-c-shape/0990503920.html

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

ColdPie posted:

Where are you seeing 12mm? The first photo looks like 4mm at the twelfth fret.


OP could take a bit off the bridge, but it doesn't strike me as super out of spec? My nylon string is about 3mm. Nylon strings move more than steel so they have higher action to avoid fret buzz. It might seem too high if you're not used to it.

E: Also it's short scale which means less tension, so higher action/relief to compensate, right?

I hadn't considered the scale, so did a quick search. Not many websites cover action on 1/2 sized guitars but I found one that agrees with you, saying nylon strings vibrate more anyway so naturally need a higher action, and that shorter scales makes this worse too. I ordered some blank saddles so I'll try a few different options and see which is the lowest I can drop to without any buzz.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

landgrabber posted:

oh yeah, she's amazing.

i'm a big lindsey jordan fan especially the first snail mail album, absolutely adore what she does with the jaguar and getting that percussive sound with jazz chords.

What do you make of Momma? I know Lindsey Jordan's a fan and they make my old 90s man heart very happy. Also I enjoy seeing an SG/Tele combo in an indie band.

In more guitar orientated chat, my SG is buzzing bad at one spot on the 17th fret. Am I up there often? Not so much. Does it drive me mad? Yes it does. I'll look at getting some fretwork done in a couple of months time maybe.

adary
Feb 9, 2014

meh

Disco Pope posted:

In more guitar orientated chat, my SG is buzzing bad at one spot on the 17th fret. Am I up there often? Not so much. Does it drive me mad? Yes it does. I'll look at getting some fretwork done in a couple of months time maybe.
Most likely needs a basic level/crown job

And that buzzing in one spot can drive me nuts, so I totally know the feeling

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

adary posted:

Most likely needs a basic level/crown job

And that buzzing in one spot can drive me nuts, so I totally know the feeling

Yeah, it only had the most basic set-up and I probably should have sprung for a little more to get the frets looked at then. Ah well.

adary
Feb 9, 2014

meh

Disco Pope posted:

Yeah, it only had the most basic set-up and I probably should have sprung for a little more to get the frets looked at then. Ah well.

Just find a decent luthier who can do it in about an hour. Getting the proper tools to do it yourself will probably be more expensive than what a luthier would charge you

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR
Fretwork gear isn't too bad, but the real pain is nut files. If you want a decent set that aren't just the useless cheapo double-ended ones that sell on amazon you're easily into three figures. Until you're doing multiple nut reworks in a year it's more economic to just pass it to a luthier.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

darkwasthenight posted:

Fretwork gear isn't too bad, but the real pain is nut files. If you want a decent set that aren't just the useless cheapo double-ended ones that sell on amazon you're easily into three figures. Until you're doing multiple nut reworks in a year it's more economic to just pass it to a luthier.

The MusicNomad set isn't too bad at $90 but it's still not worth it unless you're working on multiple instruments, yeah.

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
If you just need to widen a nut already slotted, a piece of the bigger strings you are putting on actually works fairly decently for the wound strings. Probably wouldn't use it to actually make a new nut though.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Oh yeah, and they sell those $5-10 sets that are just bits of like... drillbit or wire or something.
They won't last but if you're just doing a bit of tidying they're plenty good for that

Slothful Bong
Dec 2, 2018

Filling the Void with Chaos
After talkin bout it in here, I realized I was just wary about the QC issues and the purchase was gonna happen at some point. So I watched reverb until one came up at a fair price*.

I present, another strandberg:




It’s a 2021 Boden Standard 8 (pre-NX) built in Feb and shipped out of the factory early March. Been through 2 other owners, and the first one switched out the stock black knobs for nickel ones (looks way better imo). No real damage or issues, has slightly sharp fret ends on treble side but super manageable otherwise.

26.5-28” multiscale headless, Basswood body, maple cap and flamed veneer, roasted maple fretboard and 5 piece roasted maple neck with carbon laminate, OEM pickups.

At 5lbs15oz it’s right at the top end of weight I can handle for long periods (saw one at 5lbs3oz but was more expensive) but it’s balanced well!
Got action around 1mm treble 1.75mm bass, can prob push lower but may stick here for a while as it’s quite playable.
Stock pickups are not great though. Weirdly low output but way too bassy, bland coil split. Feels like stock Ibanez pickups from the 7 string RG or something. Talking to Elysian about a custom set, want something with cool woods to compliment the blue.

This is getting added to my live-looping setup, which now has an iPad running softsynths via midi controller:



* Boden 8 was $1300 used, which after buying it is what the originals should be, standards should be $1200 at most. Sigs maybe $14-1500?. Knock off $100 for sixes. They’re almost $1k too expensive new for the overall QC variances. This feels like a $1200 guitar that needs some fine tuning but will be incredible, not a $2k shipped higher end production axe.

Still love ‘em, but it was good to see firsthand that I might’ve been unhappy if I paid full price.

adary
Feb 9, 2014

meh

Slothful Bong posted:

After talkin bout it in here, I realized I was just wary about the QC issues and the purchase was gonna happen at some point. So I watched reverb until one came up at a fair price*.

I present, another strandberg:




It’s a 2021 Boden Standard 8 (pre-NX) built in Feb and shipped out of the factory early March. Been through 2 other owners, and the first one switched out the stock black knobs for nickel ones (looks way better imo). No real damage or issues, has slightly sharp fret ends on treble side but super manageable otherwise.

26.5-28” multiscale headless, Basswood body, maple cap and flamed veneer, roasted maple fretboard and 5 piece roasted maple neck with carbon laminate, OEM pickups.

At 5lbs15oz it’s right at the top end of weight I can handle for long periods (saw one at 5lbs3oz but was more expensive) but it’s balanced well!
Got action around 1mm treble 1.75mm bass, can prob push lower but may stick here for a while as it’s quite playable.
Stock pickups are not great though. Weirdly low output but way too bassy, bland coil split. Feels like stock Ibanez pickups from the 7 string RG or something. Talking to Elysian about a custom set, want something with cool woods to compliment the blue.

This is getting added to my live-looping setup, which now has an iPad running softsynths via midi controller:



* Boden 8 was $1300 used, which after buying it is what the originals should be, standards should be $1200 at most. Sigs maybe $14-1500?. Knock off $100 for sixes. They’re almost $1k too expensive new for the overall QC variances. This feels like a $1200 guitar that needs some fine tuning but will be incredible, not a $2k shipped higher end production axe.

Still love ‘em, but it was good to see firsthand that I might’ve been unhappy if I paid full price.

Mighty fine piece of kit :) My nephew has a 7 string one, and I have to say, it was surprisingly comfortable to play.

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

landgrabber posted:

i'm gonna pay to get fretwork done on it.
There's tons of good fretwire left on that neck! Have those frets leveled.
I think this is good and wise and holy crap will a freshly leveled neck make you happy.

I think I PM'ed you a bunch of stuff about Lethla here in Charlotte, but there are other options. I might know a name or two to avoid as well. I don't know about the "new" GC luthier's rates or skills, so no comment there. I don't know anyone who has had them do a level for them.

Is $100-$125 still about right for a fret level on a 21/22-fret maple neck?

ColdPie
Jun 9, 2006

Was playing around on the acoustic I downtuned to C# because of the heavy strings and accidentally found the intro to Lisa's Theme from Silent Hill 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQkO3TbnSgs

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
C#? Play some Bolt Thrower on that thing

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Disco Pope posted:

What do you make of Momma? I know Lindsey Jordan's a fan and they make my old 90s man heart very happy. Also I enjoy seeing an SG/Tele combo in an indie band.

In more guitar orientated chat, my SG is buzzing bad at one spot on the 17th fret. Am I up there often? Not so much. Does it drive me mad? Yes it does. I'll look at getting some fretwork done in a couple of months time maybe.

i've never listened to them much. i really envy LJ for being able to get lessons from mary timony lol

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Dr. Faustus posted:

There's tons of good fretwire left on that neck! Have those frets leveled.
I think this is good and wise and holy crap will a freshly leveled neck make you happy.

I think I PM'ed you a bunch of stuff about Lethla here in Charlotte, but there are other options. I might know a name or two to avoid as well. I don't know about the "new" GC luthier's rates or skills, so no comment there. I don't know anyone who has had them do a level for them.

Is $100-$125 still about right for a fret level on a 21/22-fret maple neck?

another thing i've remembered since then is that you AND the woman i took it to at my Local GC to finish up the wiring the first time (about a year ago) told me the fret leveling from the factory was kinda bad. so it's not entirely out of the blue and i have to assume that maybe, if the leveling is no longer hosed, it'll last longer this second time (and i'll try to break my monkey grip habits)

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Major Operation posted:

I haven't ever seen this, but I've read about it happening a few times when trying to raise a saddle while the string was at concert pitch.

Nothing I can think of is really a sure thing. I would start by getting the saddle out of the guitar and remove the "good" grub screw, just in case this works. Then, I would squirt some PB B'laster/WD40/3in1 onto the screw/hole, pray to someone/something, wait a few minutes, and try again to work the screw out in either direction with the allen wrench.

After that? If I was frustrated, I might grab some locking pliers (aka vise grips), latch on and see if I can twist the screw out with force. Chances of ruining that screw would go to 100% pretty quickly, though.

I would guess those little grub screws are way too small for any kind of screw extractor.

The final option is probably acquiring a replacement saddle, or full set of saddles, for a "narrow" strat bridge (2 1/16" spacing). An ebay listing might be the only option for an individual saddle that matches the rest on the guitar.

Found this one (don't know the seller): https://www.ebay.com/itm/304798323373?hash=item46f76552ad:g:xtoAAOSwExVj5DzE

I think a full set of saddles that is above Wish.com-tier is at least $30 out the door.

apologies for the triple post.

how would i adjust saddle action upwards then, once its strung? do i need to detune the string and get it out of the way first?

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR
Just detune a bit so you're not trying to raise the saddles with full tension across them and risking stripping them.

In practice it's not something to worry about too much unless you're having trouble turning the Allen screw, but it makes things easier with parts like ToMs or wraparounds where the full pressure is on the two outside bolts.

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005
mary timony kicks rear end. i gotta learn some Helium songs

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005
kind of cheating cause i learned this one a while ago

Helium - Leon's Space Song

apologies for the squeaking

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

darkwasthenight posted:

Just detune a bit so you're not trying to raise the saddles with full tension across them and risking stripping them.

In practice it's not something to worry about too much unless you're having trouble turning the Allen screw, but it makes things easier with parts like ToMs or wraparounds where the full pressure is on the two outside bolts.

Yeah. Its not always a problem, but generally things go better when adjusting saddles if you loosen the affected strings. I accidentally rounded off the head of a screw for one of the intonation screws on a vintage-style tele bridge when trying to move the saddle away from the neck.

StewMac sells a weird, little, overpriced tool for pressing up on a tune-o-matic bridge from underneath. The purpose is to be able to adjust the height thumbscrews without needing to detune the whole guitar. I have one and have used it exactly once.

Thoht
Aug 3, 2006

Hey, I ordered a lightly used Fender Player Mustang 90 from Sam Ash via Reverb (supposedly it was a floor model) and the neck pickup looks really tilted to me. Is this normal? If not, how easy is it to fix?

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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Those two screws in the middle, between the other 6? They control the height for each side of the pickup.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
Probably set up that way so that the high strings have similar volume to the low strings.

You can adjust it by tightening or loosening the two screws that aren't directly under a string.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
rip it out for massive cred

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

Elissimpark posted:

Probably set up that way so that the high strings have similar volume to the low strings.

You can adjust it by tightening or loosening the two screws that aren't directly under a string.

Yeah this, the bridge one is at an angle too but not as sharp. I'd try it out and leave it if the volume across the strings seems even, someone probably did that on purpose.

SwissDonkey
Mar 29, 2007

https://on.soundcloud.com/dAJX3

Really proud of how this one is turning out, the band I'm in has pivoted enough from wanting to just do 90s skate punk, to giving me a bit of freedom with writing. Of course I've run with it, and here's the current result. Neural DSP Nolly on both guitair channels. Both are running the 5150 clone - our rhythm guitarist runs a 5150 Iconic combo so we began our modelling based on that, I run an AC15 (with both a Plumes and (Vox) Cutting Edge dirt pedals in front of it) and the sound is surprisingly similar, just with a less scooped midrange. Bass tracked by the rhythm guitarist because lol bassists, using the neural darkglass ultra. Drums are EZ Drummer on the modern disco pop setting (lol).

Side note though, gate talk: I'm on the hunt for a new gate. I was using an NS-2 for a while, but I was getting an awful "bloom" problem with it, where it would have a godawful long ramp up in volume from silent to full volume. In the meantime, I got a Donner sophgate because of it's reviews as a very fast gate. I mean, it is, but it's also purely a gate and not a noise filter, so there's some feedback present in the decay before the gate clamps down. My current train of thought leads me to either the TC Sentry for it's toneprint capabilities (plug it in and set bands to filter), the Zuul, or the decimator g-string. Does anyone have experience with any/all of these?

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Have you tried messing with the decay setting on the NS2 as it sounds like your problem is that you have it set too slow

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

installin' the new saddles today. they came yesterday and then "obligations" happened. definitely seems like, if nothing else, they'll be comfy for palm muting.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

landgrabber posted:

installin' the new saddles today. they came yesterday and then "obligations" happened. definitely seems like, if nothing else, they'll be comfy for palm muting.

:hellyeah:
quick tip I recall is to take measurements of your current saddle set up as a shortcut for setting the base intonation for the new set

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landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

:hellyeah:
quick tip I recall is to take measurements of your current saddle set up as a shortcut for setting the base intonation for the new set

lol whoops!!!

package/manual gave me baseline stuff for new intonation though so i've been doing that. if i recall correctly, it's just like... pluck an open string, see if it's in tune, pluck it on the 12th fret, see if that's in tune, if it isn't, turn the screw that holds the saddle into the bridge, right? aint no thing.

i did, also, because i'm a certified brain genious, immediately lose one of the springs that it came with (the screw fell on the floor and i found it but it lost its spring). going to assume it's just be panicking to assume i can't simply use one of the ones from before, right??

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