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Powered Descent posted:These Are The Voyages could have been a fun little one-off episode (except for the pointless killing off of a character) if it had been anything other than the series finale. I think I read somewhere that it was always going to be the Season 4 finale irrelevant of the cancellation, and when Enterprise was cancelled it was retooled to be a finale. I'm just trying to remember where else I saw a sci-fi series end it's fourth season with a story set at different points in the future, showing our heroes' impact on history...
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Feb 12, 2023 19:09
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Mooseontheloose posted:so 9 of 26 as watchable to good isn't so bad. And there are others that I would consider borderline ok but there is some REAL dreck in there too. I'd add 11001001 to that list.
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Feb 12, 2023 19:25
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Mooseontheloose posted:
It probably makes more sense to watch the best third of every season than the best third of seasons, unless you're just lazy. Assuming you don't have time to watch everything of course.
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Feb 12, 2023 19:52
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It might have been here, but I did recently read somewhere the prevailing attitude in the TV world back in the 80s and 90s was the assumption that a third of a season would be excellent, a third would be ok at best, and a third would be straight garbage. Like, that was the standard they were shooting for. I respect that honesty.
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Feb 12, 2023 20:00
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PerniciousKnid posted:It probably makes more sense to watch the best third of every season than the best third of seasons, unless you're just lazy. Assuming you don't have time to watch everything of course. Maybe in that era of television as the poster said above me. I will say this, TNG Season 3 and 4 has a run of episodes that is basically unimaginable even to this day. Not a lot of losers in that hand. Off the top of my head the only truly awful/bad episodes are the one where troi loses her powers and the what measure a terrorist episode. Even the "average" episodes in those seasons are good.
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Feb 12, 2023 20:03
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Mooseontheloose posted:Here is what I pull out of Season 1 as watchable to good episodes: Where No One Has Gone Before is watchable and one of the first decent regular episodes of the series.
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Feb 12, 2023 20:25
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Zaroff posted:I think I read somewhere that it was always going to be the Season 4 finale irrelevant of the cancellation, and when Enterprise was cancelled it was retooled to be a finale. So I guess the Trip is Deep Cover plot was the Season 5 plan, and not an asspull of the novels trying to clean the executives' mess? quote:I'm just trying to remember where else I saw a sci-fi series end it's fourth season with a story set at different points in the future, showing our heroes' impact on history... lol
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Feb 12, 2023 20:37
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What reference have I missed here?
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Feb 12, 2023 21:01
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HD DAD posted:It might have been here, but I did recently read somewhere the prevailing attitude in the TV world back in the 80s and 90s was the assumption that a third of a season would be excellent, a third would be ok at best, and a third would be straight garbage. "A third of it was great, a third of it was decent and a third of it was awful" was Harve Bennett's reaction when he watched all 79 episodes of the original series after being hired to produce Star Trek II. LividLiquid posted:What reference have I missed here? Babylon 5 and its fourth season finale, The Deconstruction of Falling Stars.
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Feb 12, 2023 21:13
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No Dignity posted:Okay do I actually watch These Are The Voyages at all or just respect where everyone else intended for the show to end? Don't wanna see my boy Trip die even if it's a stupid fake episode forced on the show by hacks Depends. If you hated Enterprise, then yes watch it because it's a beautifully spiteful "Let's burn Enterprise the gently caress down" series finale*. If you liked Enterprise, then don't because Terra Prime is a much more respectful end to things that leaves you pining away for what could have been while also leaving you with a "here's where the Federation truly begins" moment that's a worthy note to close things out on. Your choice.
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Feb 12, 2023 21:39
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One of my teachers had the final speech from These Are The Voyages recorded and would play it sometimes in this mixtape of random things.
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Feb 12, 2023 22:01
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Timby posted:Babylon 5 and its fourth season finale, The Deconstruction of Falling Stars.
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Feb 12, 2023 22:17
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Timby posted:Babylon 5 and its fourth season finale, The Deconstruction of Falling Stars. Technically, Battlestar Galactica also ended its fourth season with a jump into the future. Silly me. Silly, silly me. 
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Feb 12, 2023 22:26
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"Whispers" from DS9 was a tricky one. The twist that the protagonist was a fake all along was a good twist even if the other parts of the episode weren't as strong. This was the same week that aired "Lower Decks" from TNG and I went into this one expecting it to be more cynical about the senior crew members, painting Picard and the like in a different light, but aside from some awkwardness between Levalle and Riker, the senior members care deeply about the junior crew and they're very hurt when it's discovered that Sito Jaxa has died. Top tier Star Trek.
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Feb 13, 2023 00:39
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a neat cape posted:I watched all of Prodigy. I just wish there was less call backs
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Feb 13, 2023 01:00
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HD DAD posted:I can’t believe LDS followed up on Symbiosis of all episodes.
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Feb 13, 2023 01:13
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nine-gear crow posted:Depends. If you hated Enterprise, then yes watch it because it's a beautifully spiteful "Let's burn Enterprise the gently caress down" series finale*. If you liked Enterprise, then don't because Terra Prime is a much more respectful end to things that leaves you pining away for what could have been while also leaving you with a "here's where the Federation truly begins" moment that's a worthy note to close things out on. I cane to really like Enterprise in the last season, so I shall respect the ending they wanted and not watch the fail episode. Also I'm really mad that they cancelled a show 20 years ago now, it was just starting to come into its own and become it's own thing! You should have had more faith of the heart!
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Feb 13, 2023 01:17
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In DS9, The Search, Part 2, is there a reason that O'Brien's face seems locked up on the right hand side? During the runabout/bomb the wormhole scene, he's talking very forcefully out of the side of his mouth. He was in a fight earlier in the episode, but doesn't have any visible injuries on screen so I wasn't sure if he was just selling the fight or something happened IRL with Meaney.
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Feb 13, 2023 01:28
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He tends to do that sometimes. I wonder if he ever had Bells Palsy like Stallone or Jim Ross, but it could just be a choice he's making.
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Feb 13, 2023 02:24
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Zaroff posted:I think I read somewhere that it was always going to be the Season 4 finale irrelevant of the cancellation, and when Enterprise was cancelled it was retooled to be a finale. According to Berman on the Shuttlepod One podcast with Trinner and Keating, they were surprised by the cancellation and had to scramble to wrap up 3 seasons of story into one ep to end it. The whole framing device with Riker was designed to move the exposition along.
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Feb 13, 2023 03:25
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Astroman posted:According to Berman on the Shuttlepod One podcast with Trinner and Keating, they were surprised by the cancellation and had to scramble to wrap up 3 seasons of story into one ep to end it. The whole framing device with Riker was designed to move the exposition along.
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Feb 13, 2023 03:46
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Going through Season 1 and got to Symbiosis where Picard is like "This isn't our loving problem , peace out" , then every one leaves the planets.
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Feb 13, 2023 04:02
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like he's full of poo poo, I get that they had plans for another season but I have to think he would have known that show was on its last legs being that he was running the 'premiere' show on UPN. If I remember correctly they found out they were cancelled just as they were about to start shooting Demons/Terra Prime, so it's actually plausible they did a hasty rewrite of of that episode to turn it into a series finale instead of a season one
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Feb 13, 2023 04:04
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You know Skin of Evil is a pretty decent episode but they should have fired photon torpedos at the evil dude instead of just blowing up the shuttle.
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Feb 13, 2023 04:58
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Hollismason posted:Going through Season 1 and got to Symbiosis where Picard is like "This isn't our loving problem , peace out" , then every one leaves the planets. I like that the ross's game dungeon episode on it is now canon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lQ1XIrXjls
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Feb 13, 2023 05:00
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Finding out you're officially cancelled and reading the room on the likely cancellation are two different things. They had to know it was coming.
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Feb 13, 2023 05:08
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Timby posted:Babylon 5 and its fourth season finale, The Deconstruction of Falling Stars. The irony is that "Deconstruction of Falling Stars" came about due to a cancellation as well. JMS (the main producer/writer dude behind B5) got told he had 5 years for his mega plot, then got cut down to 4 midway through or just before season 4. So he strained and pushed everything into four seasons and did actually pull it off (he was writing like ALL the scripts), but near the end of production the network came back and said "you know what you can have that fifth season after all." So the episode that was filmed to be the series finale as the last shooting episode of season 4, "Sleeping In Light" was pushed off to season 5, and instead "Deconstruction of Falling Stars" was shot as simply as possible when it was technically produced as the first episode produced of season 5 to get put back as the end of season 4. This also resulted in a weird character moment, there were some cast changes between s4 and s5 so you have one main character disappear for all of s5 and then they're back for the ending out of nowhere.
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Arivia posted:The irony is that "Deconstruction of Falling Stars" came about due to a cancellation as well. JMS (the main producer/writer dude behind B5) got told he had 5 years for his mega plot, then got cut down to 4 midway through or just before season 4. So he strained and pushed everything into four seasons and did actually pull it off (he was writing like ALL the scripts), but near the end of production the network came back and said "you know what you can have that fifth season after all." So the episode that was filmed to be the series finale as the last shooting episode of season 4, "Sleeping In Light" was pushed off to season 5, and instead "Deconstruction of Falling Stars" was shot as simply as possible when it was technically produced as the first episode produced of season 5 to get put back as the end of season 4. This also resulted in a weird character moment, there were some cast changes between s4 and s5 so you have one main character disappear for all of s5 and then they're back for the ending out of nowhere. A character's death in season 4 is also retconned, its just straight up ignored even though it was shown unambiguously. Not that I think its a bad thing that it was done, just a bit of an oddity.
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bull3964 posted:Finding out you're officially cancelled and reading the room on the likely cancellation are two different things. They had to know it was coming.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like he's full of poo poo, I get that they had plans for another season but I have to think he would have known that show was on its last legs being that he was running the 'premiere' show on UPN. Also UPN was in the process of dying across the board by that point, so if Enterprise had made it to Season 5, that probably would have been it's last because UPN went kaput within a year of Enterprise going off the air, and I doubt it would have been one of the lucky shows that made the jump to the CW once it took over from UPN's ashes.
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Feb 13, 2023 06:43
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We never even got upn, voyager was on my local fox affiliate and then the all star trek was on the wb network or whatever that cw precursor was once we got that (also run by the same people as the fox affiliate - it even had the old station number after fox changed theirs). Two hours of reruns every weekday night for a decade.
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Feb 13, 2023 08:31
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nine-gear crow posted:Depends. If you hated Enterprise, then yes watch it because it's a beautifully spiteful "Let's burn Enterprise the gently caress down" series finale*. As much as I say "I think Enterprise deserved to get canceled", I've mellowed since then and I don't hate the series any more, but even back then when I was more angry about the series and refusing to watch it at all I loathed what I'd heard about These Are The Voyages. To me it felt like Berman and Braga getting in one last slap in the face after years of yet another wasted premise; the notion that these dipshits thought that a cheap and hackneyed tie-in to some random-rear end TNG episode was a "love letter to the fans" seemed like a final parting insult as they walked out the door. Maybe they really believed it; I used to wonder if tying Riker and Troi into the Enterprise finale represented a longing on the producers' part to go back to the glory days of TNG.
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Hollismason posted:You know Skin of Evil is a pretty decent episode but they should have fired photon torpedos at the evil dude instead of just blowing up the shuttle. When I was a kid that's what I forced myself to imagine happened, because then Armus would be destroyed and wouldn't come to ooze under my bedroom door and kill me Armus, Chucky and Gremlins were the three lasting terrors of my early childhood
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Barry Foster posted:Armus, Chucky and Gremlins were the three lasting terrors of my early childhood But Gremlins were the good guys!!!
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Mr Sock.
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Justice League pulled off a pretty decent "love letter to the fans" finale when they decided to cap things off with a distant-future Batman Beyond episode (which in turn payed direct homage to the first Batman episode). But I guess that was a much more interconnected universe in general, and it wasn't quite the first time those characters had appeared in the show. (And it turned out to not actually be the end, but they thought it would be.)bull3964 posted:Finding out you're officially cancelled and reading the room on the likely cancellation are two different things. They had to know it was coming. I seem to remember at the time it was considered a miracle ENT got a fourth season after very nearly getting cancelled during the third. But obviously there's a disconnect between when I heard about this sort of thing and when they did behind the scenes, so I dunno. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Feb 13, 2023 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:As much as I say "I think Enterprise deserved to get canceled", I've mellowed since then and I don't hate the series any more, but even back then when I was more angry about the series and refusing to watch it at all I loathed what I'd heard about These Are The Voyages. To me it felt like Berman and Braga getting in one last slap in the face after years of yet another wasted premise; the notion that these dipshits thought that a cheap and hackneyed tie-in to some random-rear end TNG episode was a "love letter to the fans" seemed like a final parting insult as they walked out the door. Maybe they really believed it; I used to wonder if tying Riker and Troi into the Enterprise finale represented a longing on the producers' part to go back to the glory days of TNG. We had this discussion in the other Trek thread about what a lying, craven little weenie who's desperate to please the worst possible people Terry Matalas is, and that whole "love letter to the fans" quote reminded me of something. He was Rick Berman and Brannon Braga's protege on Enterprise. And he's also saying that Picard Season 3 is going to be a "love letter" to fans of Star Trek 
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You know which Berman-era writer’s room veteran I wish stuck around? Joe Menosky. I long for the universe where it was him and maybe Alonso-Meyers teaming up to make a Trek instead of Matalas. Instead, he was briefly on board during S1 of Discovery before he ran for the hills.
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HD DAD posted:You know which Berman-era writer’s room veteran I wish stuck around? Joe Menosky. I long for the universe where it was him and maybe Alonso-Meyers teaming up to make a Trek instead of Matalas. Oh yeah, Joe Menosky was like the unsung hero of 90s Trek. Dude gave Voyager some of its best episodes, the ones that weren't just "Good... for Voyager", but legitimately good episodes of Star Trek. Him as a head writer on any modern Trek show with anyone BUT Matalas, Akiva Goldsman, Michelle Paradise or Alex Kurtzman as a showrunner would have been phenomenal.
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