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HD DAD posted:We’ve more than likely interacted on TrekBBS too, since I was a pretty active poster there from 2000-2006 or so. God those were wild times. What was your username?
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Cannibalistic Bynar. Listen, I was 13 and monkeycheese cringe stuff was all the rage.
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Feb 14, 2023 02:49
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HD DAD posted:Cannibalistic Bynar. Listen, I was 13 and monkeycheese cringe stuff was all the rage. I, of course, remember you. (Imagine this in Montalban's voice.)
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Feb 14, 2023 02:52
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Very glad I contained my early Trek cringe to IRC, the Bungie forums, and the occasional TrekMovie comment
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Feb 14, 2023 03:33
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cenotaph posted:Aside from everything else he's bad at, Abrams has no sense of pacing or scale. We need to go to place -> push button on ship -> we're there. Managed to make a copy of ANH without realizing the importance of the training scene on the falcon between the escape sequence and arriving at the death star. Yeah, this is by far my biggest pet peeve with JJTrek and JJWars. Everything else is tolerable, but the utter failure to pace anything or create any sense of scale completely ruins those movies for me.
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Feb 14, 2023 04:15
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, this is by far my biggest pet peeve with JJTrek and JJWars. Everything else is tolerable, but the utter failure to pace anything or create any sense of scale completely ruins those movies for me. You can't even parody his inexplicable disinterest in distance/time since he had someone use a personal transporter to beam from Earth to Kronos. You can't give less of a poo poo than that.
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Feb 14, 2023 04:26
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I thought the JJtreks were fine for what they were, but their not great
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Feb 14, 2023 04:44
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ST09 is a fine action movie, I’ve never fully understood the hatred beyond JJ just being a Walmart-brand Spielberg in general. Into Darkness is trash for many many reasons, but it’s still watchable trash. Beyond has flaws but it’s also a genuinely good movie and I’ll happily die on that hill.
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Feb 14, 2023 04:50
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All three Kelvin movies really just slide into the "they exist" zone for me, I was entertained enough by all three (I even prefer Into Darkness to 09) but there's not much draw to ever really revisit them. Abrams tics just stand out the more you devote time to thinking about them. It's a polar opposite to how movies 1-2-3-4-6 are basically infinitely rewatchable to me.
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Feb 14, 2023 04:56
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Beyond is drat good but it also makes me sad because it's known it was rushed as hell and if they'd let the script be refined a bit more to iron out the faults it could've been really great. As is, there's a lot of flaws, but it's just generally good enough to get past them. 09 is generically fine, although a few bits like the zero scale do grate on me and I find it less watchable over time. It's got some great bits in it though. The opening scene is masterfully done. Into Darkness is, of course, a loving piece of poo poo. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Seemlar posted:All three Kelvin movies really just slide into the "they exist" zone for me, I was entertained enough by all three (I even prefer Into Darkness to 09) but there's not much draw to ever really revisit them. Abrams tics just stand out the more you devote time to thinking about them. Same. I enjoyed watching the JJ movies when they came out, but for some reason they just didn't engage the obsessive-nerd part of my brain like most of Trek does, and I've felt no particular need to revisit them.
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Feb 14, 2023 04:58
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Big Mean Jerk posted:ST09 is a fine action movie, I’ve never fully understood the hatred beyond JJ just being a Walmart-brand Spielberg in general. Into Darkness is trash for many many reasons, but it’s still watchable trash. Like I said in another post, my issues with Abrams are that he's a shallow hack who's not good at writing, understanding, or ending stories, but the real problem is that he's either taught a whole cadre of folks how to write wrong, or cultivated an entire army of hack acolytes, hackolytes if you will, that are carrying on in his stead elsewhere in the industry. You're right though, he's just an easily burnable hate idol to a lot of people and is emblematic of a larger problem with the industry. Like how chuds blame Alex Kurtzman for everything wrong with Star Trek when they real fault lies further down the chain with people like the individual showrunners of each series, their writers rooms, and the 80 quintillion executive producers each series has that get credited at the start of each episode over the main cast that muck everything up with their personal "I want THIS in the show" directives. MikeJF posted:Into Darkness is, of course, a loving piece of poo poo. Into Darkness is perfectly fine until  and THEN it turns into an unsalvagable piece of poo poo 
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Feb 14, 2023 05:02
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I also didn't like how he tried to do a thing where Khan advanced their tech greatly. Yeah, he was genetically engineered and therefore really smart. I still suspect he was only average from, say, a Vulcan perspective. He was smart, strong, and a charismatic leader and that works as a package. It was still just a 20th century guy with above average intelligence and I doubt locking him away in a lab to make weapons is going to do much.
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nine-gear crow posted:Like I said in another post, my issues with Abrams are that he's a shallow hack who's not good at writing, understanding, or ending stories, but the real problem is that he's either taught a whole cadre of folks how to write wrong, or cultivated an entire army of hack acolytes, hackolytes if you will, that are carrying on in his stead elsewhere in the industry. You're right though, he's just an easily burnable hate idol to a lot of people and is emblematic of a larger problem with the industry. Like how chuds blame Alex Kurtzman for everything wrong with Star Trek when they real fault lies further down the chain with people like the individual showrunners of each series, their writers rooms, and the 80 quintillion executive producers each series has that get credited at the start of each episode over the main cast that muck everything up with their personal "I want THIS in the show" directives. Right. Abrams is a hack and his bad habits are definitely going to influence a new generation of filmmakers, but anyone is kidding themselves if they didn’t think the directive to make a light popcorn-y pure nostalgia action movie out of Star Trek (or even Force Awakens) originated from anyone other than people at the studio level who want it to be the next big marketable IP they can just wring gobs of cash out of. That’s been the trend of these kinds of things since at least the mid-00s and it’s not stopping any time soon. quote:Into Darkness is perfectly fine until It’s such a stupidly short-sighted choice just so they can cram a recognizable name into the movie and rip-off the big sacrifice with a twist. Cumberbatch should’ve just been who he claimed at first; just another augment trying to find the other augments. Then at the very end when you’ve gone through absolute hell just to take down this augment lackey, you pan over to the other tubes and show the actual Khan. “If this is what it took just to defeat a single second-string augment, think of what it’ll cost them to take on Khan himself and the rest of them!” Boom, instant sequel hook with a ratcheting threat level and a virtual assurance that more people will actually show up for a third movie since even the most casual of viewers will go “hey Khan! Oh poo poo I know that name!” And then you get Javier Bardem or Benicio (or dare I say, an actual Indian actor?) to play him like they’d originally tried to do. Plus then you don’t poison your audience’s trust by straight up lying for months in press junkets saying Cumberbatch isn’t Khan.
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HD DAD posted:Cannibalistic Bynar. lmao that's got some dark implications
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What did the Cannibalistic Bynar do to the other Bynar? 1000
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https://twitter.com/brandon_bird/status/1625349358672822273?s=46&t=vupcNjlVzFqqiWhtJ0FAwg Losing it at the trombone
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Well duh how else would you know it’s Riker
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nine-gear crow posted:We had this discussion in the other Trek thread about what a lying, craven little weenie who's desperate to please the worst possible people Terry Matalas is, and that whole "love letter to the fans" quote reminded me of something. He was Rick Berman and Brannon Braga's protege on Enterprise. And he's also saying that Picard Season 3 is going to be a "love letter" to fans of Star Trek Scott Bakula wakes up on Enterprise, wow what a crazy dream that next generation was
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Feb 14, 2023 06:14
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Seemlar posted:You can't even parody his inexplicable disinterest in distance/time since he had someone use a personal transporter to beam from Earth to Kronos. You can't give less of a poo poo than that. I dont' even remember the Earth to Kronos transporting, lmao jesus. This was the plot to one of the better ENT episodes though, where the guy wants to do subspace transporting instead of warp drives and ships and it gets kinda Jaunt-y.
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Feb 14, 2023 06:40
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:https://twitter.com/brandon_bird/status/1625349358672822273?s=46&t=vupcNjlVzFqqiWhtJ0FAwg Again, Twitter cropping does the full image an immense disservice: 
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PerniciousKnid posted:Scott Bakula wakes up on Enterprise, wow what a crazy dream that next generation was "Oh boy."
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nine-gear crow posted:Again, Twitter cropping does the full image an immense disservice: Will and Geordi trying to finish their jazz gig even though the audience seems unusually hostile
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Feb 14, 2023 07:21
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nine-gear crow posted:Again, Twitter cropping does the full image an immense disservice: geordi that's a really fuckin dangerous way to turn on a circular saw
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Arivia posted:geordi that's a really fuckin dangerous way to turn on a circular saw Hey gordi's one of the best musicians out there playing the old circular saw, pretty sure he doesn't need you telling him what's "safe" or not. (please don't ask how many figures he's needed reattached)
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Feb 14, 2023 08:37
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nine-gear crow posted:Again, Twitter cropping does the full image an immense disservice: I remember really liking the one where geordi wins a CTF match
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Geordi was always an exceptional Unreal Tournament player.
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Tighclops posted:I remember really liking the one where geordi wins a CTF match The one thing I really remember was from the first Voyager one, about Cadet Janeway. And I don't know why the writer included this detail, maybe to play up Janeway's Indiana origins, but in the book, cadet Janeway was absolutely pissed the Academy replicators couldn't get her mom's salad right. And by mom's salad I don't mean a special recipe that she was homesick for, no. It was ambrosia salad with jello cubes with tiny marshmellows inside them, but the replicators couldn't get that one ingredient right - they'd produce jello cubes in marshmallows, or jello cubes and marshmellows. Just never quite the right Midwestern trash Janeway wanted. It has been like 25 years since I read that book. I've forgotten everything else from it. But my brain just won't goddamn give up on the temper tantrum that accompanies "NO THE MARSHMELLOWS GO IN THE JELLO CUBES YOU STUPID COMPUTER." (my line)
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Arivia posted:The one thing I really remember was from the first Voyager one, about Cadet Janeway. And I don't know why the writer included this detail, maybe to play up Janeway's Indiana origins, but in the book, cadet Janeway was absolutely pissed the Academy replicators couldn't get her mom's salad right. And by mom's salad I don't mean a special recipe that she was homesick for, no. It was ambrosia salad with jello cubes with tiny marshmellows inside them, but the replicators couldn't get that one ingredient right - they'd produce jello cubes in marshmallows, or jello cubes and marshmellows. Just never quite the right Midwestern trash Janeway wanted. It has been like 25 years since I read that book. I've forgotten everything else from it. But my brain just won't goddamn give up on the temper tantrum that accompanies "NO THE MARSHMELLOWS GO IN THE JELLO CUBES YOU STUPID COMPUTER." (my line) This explains why Janeway was always so gung ho to gently caress with the Borg years later; her obsession with cubes
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Seemlar posted:You can't even parody his inexplicable disinterest in distance/time since he had someone use a personal transporter to beam from Earth to Kronos. You can't give less of a poo poo than that. I kind of recall someone saying he used an experimental Section 31 transporter. So it was something he had rigged up but he wasn't even standard issue among Section 31. Kind of like how Scotty gets Kirk from Vulcan's moon onto the Enterprise while it's traveling at warp.
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V-Men posted:I kind of recall someone saying he used an experimental Section 31 transporter. So it was something he had rigged up but he wasn't even standard issue among Section 31. Kind of like how Scotty gets Kirk from Vulcan's moon onto the Enterprise while it's traveling at warp. It was using Scotty's transwarp beamer that Future Spock told him how to get working.
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MikeJF posted:It was using Scotty's transwarp beamer that Future Spock told him how to get working. Yeah, I meant it in the sense of "it was a one off that one shouldn't expect to see anywhere else", rather than "it was the same tech". Sometimes I don't finish my ideas
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V-Men posted:Sometimes I don't finish Fixed that for your wife
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https://twitter.com/jfkenney/status/1625444437143740417?s=20
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If I ever met him in person I'd ask him for his best "Jesus Wept".
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bull3964 posted:What did the Cannibalistic Bynar do to the other Bynar? Lol
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Another thing that bothers me about JJ is he seems allergic to actually portraying space ships in space. Odd choice given the subject matter of these 2 franchises. They're always in low orbit.Big Mean Jerk posted:ST09 is a fine action movie, I’ve never fully understood the hatred beyond JJ just being a Walmart-brand Spielberg in general. Into Darkness is trash for many many reasons, but it’s still watchable trash. Well yeah -- it's not JJ tho
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu8e5aL9hQE&t=558s Huh here's Braga apologizing for TATV as part of a real long roundtable with the ENT cast in 2015 Bakula was apparently furious about it lol
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Big Mean Jerk posted:And then you get Javier Bardem or Benicio (or dare I say, an actual Indian actor?) to play him like they’d originally tried to do. Oddly, I've always assumed that his name and ethnicity were completely unrelated, like it was assigned by random choice or engineers just used names they liked.
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When I was a kid I got mixed up because "Khan Noonian Singh" and "Dr Noonian Soong" are so similar, I thought they were related or something.
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