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A Moose posted:The problem with pvp in pve games is that the only people who want it, are people who want to pvp with people who don't like or want pvp. If you just make it so that people who want pvp only play against each other, it turns out almost nobody wants that. There are loads of competitive PvP games out there already, but they're just a fundamentally different experience than Diablo and I think you're right about the sort of player who isn't interested in those games but does want PvP in Diablo. A balanced PvP game has almost nothing in common with a game about becoming extremely powerful and slaughtering screens full of enemies so it'll always be bad if they tack it on.
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A Moose posted:The problem with pvp in pve games is that the only people who want it, are people who want to pvp with people who don't like or want pvp. If you just make it so that people who want pvp only play against each other, it turns out almost nobody wants that. WoW would like to speak with you. Tons of players only play PVP on Wow and especially since the elimination of PvP only realms, you must opt in to PVP. Everyone seems happy with this arrangement. I would not have an issue with them adding opt in PVP in D4.
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Feb 13, 2023 19:03
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Mayveena posted:WoW would like to speak with you. Tons of players only play PVP on Wow and especially since the elimination of PvP only realms, you must opt in to PVP. Everyone seems happy with this arrangement. I would not have an issue with them adding opt in PVP in D4. That's absolutely news to me. Originally PvP took two forms: you rolled on a PvP server (your fault) or they decided their battlegrounds/AV needed players so they locked PvE gear in there. Last I looked into WoW in any form they had turned off PvP, but if you turned it on voluntarily you got a PvE-related boost. The whole thing was designed around the same concept - people who like pvp want pve prey, so we need a way to force pve prey into the pvp space. Guild Wars 2 has entirely optional PvP and apparently people love it. Your specs are all unlocked (unlike PvE) at level 2 and you can explicitly set one for PvP. Your gear has all stats removed. At best you'll get unique skins, just like the unique skins from PvE or their large-scale World vs World mode, so you only ever go there if you want to. It's popular and highly competitive and I will never have to engage with it.
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Feb 13, 2023 19:15
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Opt-in PvP in an otherwise-PvE game is fine so long as it a) does not reward significant PvE power, b) does not force PvE design to conform to PvP ideals and/or balance, and c) does not drain development resources from PvE content. There's an approximately zero percent chance that all three of those are going to be true in a Blizzard game.
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Feb 13, 2023 19:22
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I can guarantee you that almost nobody interested in Diablo PvP is looking for a fair fight. They may claim that they do in the abstract, but what they actually want is to effortlessly destroy scrubs outside Tristram with their godly gear over and over. That's because annihilating noobs is fun and actually gearing for PvP is stupid and unfun.
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Feb 13, 2023 19:25
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exquisite tea posted:I can guarantee you that almost nobody interested in Diablo PvP is looking for a fair fight. They may claim that they do in the abstract, but what they actually want is to effortlessly destroy scrubs outside Tristram with their godly gear over and over. That's because annihilating noobs is fun and actually gearing for PvP is stupid and unfun. There's a whole D2 dueling scene that says otherwise. It might not be your thing, but some people enjoy tweaking their pvp builds and even trying to come up with new ones. You rarely see anyone trying to pwn n00bs in regular public games, or going hostile at all, and there are always plenty of dueling games to join. There's even an active "low level" (under 30) dueling scene. Your post just doesn't reflect contemporary reality at all. 15 years ago? Sure. Today? Nah.
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Mayveena posted:WoW would like to speak with you. Tons of players only play PVP on Wow and especially since the elimination of PvP only realms, you must opt in to PVP. Everyone seems happy with this arrangement. I would not have an issue with them adding opt in PVP in D4. They already said that pvp in d4 is opt in. It's limited to a specific zone
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Low level dueling is a legit sub game in d2. It's popular enough you can get Nancy Pelosi rich in jsp money off lucking into some lotto ticket rares. Elden Ring does pvp well aside from backend jank with server connections. It's opt in, can still do the gank thing if you're good, and you only get matched with people around your power level.
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Mailer posted:That's absolutely news to me. Originally PvP took two forms: you rolled on a PvP server (your fault) or they decided their battlegrounds/AV needed players so they locked PvE gear in there. Last I looked into WoW in any form they had turned off PvP, but if you turned it on voluntarily you got a PvE-related boost. The whole thing was designed around the same concept - people who like pvp want pve prey, so we need a way to force pve prey into the pvp space. A better example from WoW was the time where Blizzard tried to fix the low-level battleground twink problem by adding an experience lock option that put you in a separate queue with other people who had locked experience. This sounds like a win-win if you believe that twinks wanted to PvP against other twinks, but it turns out that the vast majority of them just wanted to be the tyrants of the 20-29 bracket and so the supposed community almost entirely evaporated.
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Incoherence posted:A better example from WoW was the time where Blizzard tried to fix the low-level battleground twink problem by adding an experience lock option that put you in a separate queue with other people who had locked experience. This sounds like a win-win if you believe that twinks wanted to PvP against other twinks, but it turns out that the vast majority of them just wanted to be the tyrants of the 20-29 bracket and so the supposed community almost entirely evaporated. This was really funny because there was so much discourse at the time from the twink players that they would "love" a separate twink only bracket, then when given it literally none of them wanted to play it. Even funnier is that they added it in WotLK and for classic WotLK they decided not to keep it.
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Yeah I had a twink warrior I would play once in a while if I wanted to stomp an entire battleground, wrecking a whole team solo was absolutely the point of it. If I wanted to play similarly geared people I would do bg's on my max level characters I remember when they did the separate twink bg's, they were a ghost town haha
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Feb 13, 2023 21:52
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WoW had one singular expansion where PVP damage was normalized regardless of gear. It wasn't perfect, but it was the most fair and fun it had ever been. Some PVE-ers hated it. Farming for the best gear in the game only to get outplayed. So of course, they did away with it the following expansion. I feel like a good PVP system could work in an ARPG, I just don't think Blizzard can do it. They're too committed to their vocal poopsockers and twitch streamers, since they drive the player interaction metrics. They also love their stunlocks and freezes far too much. Which feels powerful and cool in PVE. Not so much in PVP, when your only counter is a two minute cooldown or RNG. I thought maybe that type of thing could work in a teamplay based game mode, like the moba-esque pvp they tried in D:I. I tried it in my singular playthrough and hoo boy was it boring and unfun.
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I went ahead and made a D4 thread. We're getting a release date this weekend at IGN Fest, so it felt like an appropriate time to dedicate a thread to the game. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4024085 Maybe it just gets used to lol at what a miserable failure the game is, but that's still fun.
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Ehud posted:I went ahead and made a D4 thread. We're getting a release date this weekend at IGN Fest, so it felt like an appropriate time to dedicate a thread to the game. The release date was announced a couple months ago it's June 2nd
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Feb 13, 2023 23:00
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Diablo IV is coming out tomorrow.
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exquisite tea posted:Diablo IV is coming out tomorrow. And the witch doctor will be a class
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No paladin, no buy. gently caress you Bli$$ard.
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Node posted:No paladin, no buy. gently caress you Bli$$ard. Paladin replaced with Satanist.
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IcePhoenix posted:The release date was announced a couple months ago it's June 2nd Sorry, I meant beta release date.
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Mustached Demon posted:Paladin replaced with Satanist. I'd play a Cultist class.
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Mustached Demon posted:Paladin replaced with Satanist. Hell yeah 
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Maybe we'll get a fallen paladin sometime? I wonder if they've ever considered a class that uses demons or demon magic against demons? It would be kinda cool
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A Moose posted:I wonder if they've ever considered a class that uses demons or demon magic against demons? It would be kinda cool They're just called nephilim.
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The original concept for Demon Hunters did partake in more demonic powers, somewhat similar to the Warcraft DH. A couple skills like Shadow Power remain from that early design.
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Some of the early character designs had them as demon/human hybrids that were pretty awesome looking
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One thing I miss about the vanilla DH was how unique Vault felt, it was almost like a 3D platforming shooter, and it was one of the ways I cleared Inferno difficulty. Of course most of the games' evolution has been for the better, but that satisfying vaulting around has been somewhat lost in lieu of amping up a shitload of walking speed and spamming ultra mobile skills like strafe while just melting demons instead.
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Swilo posted:[url=https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d3/t/so-today-patch-notes/57006/74] Nice. I have been f5ing because I figured it would be out by now.
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Well now I'm not going to stop F5ing.  
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I hope we get either blizz/hydra sorc, whirlwind barb, or thorns crusader as free sets. Those are the main easy-to-pilot things I know, and I want to set the game on cruise control while I listen to podcasts and try to fill in every legendary power.
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Are there any cool mods/overhauls for D2 Resurrected worth mentioning yet?
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The set rotations are static. Season 28 is: Immortal King's Call Seeker of the Light Natalya's Vengeance Uliana's Stratagem Trag'Oul's Avatar Spirit of Arachyr Vyr's Amazing Arcana
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Russad posted:The set rotations are static. It's been updated for S28, on the PTR it was: Barb: Savage Crus: Valor DH: GoD Monk: PoJ Necro: Masquerade WD: Mundunugu Wiz: Typhon wudi has a preview video here going over all of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9FjCmvzFU8
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I think I'm going to go wiz this season. I don't think I've played typhoon before and I haven't done the new meteor build. Unless they changed it, the new dh trap build doesn't look too interesting.
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I'm normally a monk or wizard guy but trap DH sounds neat
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Hold off on dh until the patch notes hit. They might completely rework the set, but maybe not. I would have expected them to extend the ptr were they doing that, though. Guess we'll find out soon enough!
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Good point, given that this is probably the final season of d3 that ill play i should roll a monk for nostalgia's sake
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I think my favorite Monk Build was Uilana's Exploding Fist but I haven't played it in years. I think the biggest hurdle is that whenever I look up guides I keep seeing people talking about applying Mythic Rhythm and buffed Exploding Palms and I'm too stupid to understand that and I end up playing WW Bard or Bombardment Crusader instead so I can play while watching YouTube videos instead.
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Sgt. Cosgrove posted:Good point, given that this is probably the final season of d3 that ill play i should roll a monk for nostalgia's sake Monk gonna get memory holed so enjoy it while it lasts for you.
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I played Grim Dawn and Last Epoch to death, finally considering Diablo but I'm poor atm. D4 expensive. D3 Primevil is on sale atm tho. Basically asking the age-old question of 'would you recommend this game now to new players?'
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