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Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

kater posted:

The gently caress is this mini set it looks worse than ever

The best part are the dumbass decks players are using.

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Orange Crush Rush
May 7, 2009

You don't need thumbs for revenge

Mayveena posted:

The best part are the dumbass decks players are using.

no, the best part of it is Blazing Transmutation is ignoring any "do not evolve into" rules so people are getting turn 3-4 Nepulon's with shocking consistency.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
yeah I'm just gonna chill in Battlegrounds until I figure out what the meta is after this mini-drop

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely
The Arena is loving cracked right now, they just put in the sets that are currently in standard and they plopped all the problematic cards that had offering rates adjusted down back in at full percentage so you're getting decks that are full of the best arena cards that have ruled the meta for the last year or two.. so far as i know the stuff that is outright banned from being drafted is still banned from being drafted (but not discovered mind you), and everything else is back!

I can't decide if it's good or bad yet, but atleast you'll have fun drafting your deck!

**Most people seem to agree that they would rather draft fun cards and win however many games they typically win on average than draft 3 or 4 awful decks full of cards printed in 2016 in a row and then when you finally get a good deck you go 4-3 cause 6/7 games were against death knights. This crazy meta seems on average more fun, atleast for now :)

Starsfan fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Feb 15, 2023

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

Starsfan posted:

The Arena is loving cracked right now, they just put in the sets that are currently in standard and they plopped all the problematic cards that had offering rates adjusted down back in at full percentage so you're getting decks that are full of the best arena cards that have ruled the meta for the last year or two.. so far as i know the stuff that is outright banned from being drafted is still banned from being drafted (but not discovered mind you), and everything else is back!

I can't decide if it's good or bad yet, but atleast you'll have fun drafting your deck!

**Most people seem to agree that they would rather draft fun cards and win however many games they typically win on average than draft 3 or 4 awful decks full of cards printed in 2016 in a row and then when you finally get a good deck you go 4-3 cause 6/7 games were against death knights. This crazy meta seems on average more fun, atleast for now :)

I played one run with Rogue and was thinking 'goddamn my deck is good'. Then it turned out everyone else's was too, but still. Deck power level feels like it doubled overnight.

Beasteh
Feb 12, 2012

I'M QUESTIONING MY EXISTENCE AND THIS IDIOT JUST WANTS TO PEE OFF A WALL

I drafted a pretty decent blood control DK deck and got rolled game one by a literal constructed tier demon hunter with four legendaries and absurd draw + outcast synergy

Boatswain
May 29, 2012
Only Evolve Shamans lmao

Sloppy
Apr 25, 2003

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

The janky Nozdormu priest I threw together for the daily quest a few years ago used to be able to stomp pretty good at low bronze Wild. Thanks to power creep it can't even scam one win anymore, just goes 0-3 every time.

Sad!

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Beasteh posted:

I drafted a pretty decent blood control DK deck and got rolled game one by a literal constructed tier demon hunter with four legendaries and absurd draw + outcast synergy

yeah my first draft DK was one of the options and I insta picked it thinking that it would still be OP (apparently it's not, consensus seems to be emerging that Mage is the best) and the 2U1F deck I drafted would have beat the tar out of any DK deck I have drafted in the last month since Malignant Horror was banned. I thought I had a 12 win deck for sure but I ended up going 6 and the games that I lost were not close at all. The guy I lost to in the 6-2 game was playing Shaman an he ended up using that 7/9 card that "throws" a minion out of your hand at an enemy minion to throw his Neptulon onto the board (which for some reason got to attack 4 times because the windfury was kind of bugged with the fact that the "throw" counted as a seperate attack?) and then the next turn he followed that up with a battlecry parrot that threw his deathwing.

I could appreciate it for being the one time I saw that 7/9 do anything amazing since it was released. Fun night.

**oh and not that it really matters that much, but apparently the Hearthstone team couldn't figure out how to put a bunch of the mini-set cards into the arena draft pool, including the DK cards, the neutral cards and some of the other class cards. Typical Hearthstone competence on display.

Cart
Sep 28, 2004

They see me rollin...

Did anything happen with regards to win counts in the latest patch?

I've been on a quixotic mission to get all 9 original classes to 1000 wins (728 wins to go!) and had stopped playing Paladin at 999 wins to focus on the other classes. Lo and behold, I log back on post-patch to see I had been awarded the 1000 win skin and my win count for Paladin had gone up to 1013.

Mr Beens
Dec 2, 2006

Cart posted:

Did anything happen with regards to win counts in the latest patch?

I've been on a quixotic mission to get all 9 original classes to 1000 wins (728 wins to go!) and had stopped playing Paladin at 999 wins to focus on the other classes. Lo and behold, I log back on post-patch to see I had been awarded the 1000 win skin and my win count for Paladin had gone up to 1013.

I think they did a thing a couple of expansion ago where they retroactively credited wins from modes that were historically not tracking properly.

Cart
Sep 28, 2004

They see me rollin...

Mr Beens posted:

I think they did a thing a couple of expansion ago where they retroactively credited wins from modes that were historically not tracking properly.

I remember that from a few patches back, this was just overnight on this patch. Didn't see anything in the notes so I was a bit surprised.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
I just brutalized Diamond Wild with this to Hit Legend:

### Secret Mage
# Class: Mage
# Format: Wild
#
# 2x (1) Kabal Lackey
# 2x (2) Anonymous Informant
# 1x (2) Arcane Flakmage
# 2x (2) Arcanologist
# 2x (2) Mad Scientist
# 2x (2) Medivh's Valet
# 2x (3) Counterspell
# 2x (3) Explosive Runes
# 2x (3) Inconspicuous Rider
# 2x (3) Objection!
# 2x (3) Rigged Faire Game
# 1x (4) Chatty Bartender
# 1x (4) Orion, Mansion Manager
# 2x (5) Cloud Prince
# 2x (6) Contract Conjurer
# 2x (6) Kabal Crystal Runner
# 1x (6) Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon
#
AAEBAc2xAgS+pAOV4QOj5AS95AQN9w3XtgLrugKHvQLdqQOR4QPo4QPnnwTGoAT+7AS87QT/kgXboQUA
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Olpainless
Jun 30, 2003
... Insert something brilliantly witty here.
Have been having fun with this!

### Custom Druid
# Class: Druid
# Format: Wild
#
# 2x (0) Aquatic Form
# 2x (0) Pounce
# 2x (1) Claw
# 1x (1) Lost in the Park
# 2x (1) Rake
# 2x (1) Savagery
# 2x (1) Secure the Deck
# 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 2x (2) Mark of the Spikeshell
# 2x (2) Moonlit Guidance
# 2x (2) Solar Eclipse
# 1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard
# 2x (3) Ferocious Howl
# 2x (3) Gnash
# 2x (3) Moontouched Amulet
# 1x (3) Prince Renathal
# 1x (3) Shan'do Wildclaw
# 2x (4) Branching Paths
# 1x (4) Kiri, Chosen of Elune
# 2x (4) Park Panther
# 1x (5) Wildheart Guff
# 2x (6) Death Beetle
# 1x (8) Anub'Rekhan
# 2x (8) Crypt Keeper
#
AAEBAaTABAjB0AOl4QOj9gOJiwSY1ASX7wS+mAXipAUQ4QOaCPzNAp7SAr/yAvmtA4rgA6LhA4rtA9H2A6+ABLmgBK7ABLaYBeujBe6jBQA=
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Death Beetle is so fun. It having Taunt and being a Beast makes it prime copy material.

Rake is just a really good card and makes attack Druid work well.

Boatswain
May 29, 2012
I will be playing that Druid deck to complete the achievement :cheers:

TyrantWD
Nov 6, 2010
Ignore my doomerism, I don't think better things are possible
Trying to figure out what to play for the push from D5 to legend.I came back this set after 2.5 years+ away, so I am missing a lot of legendaries, and have enough dust for Evolve Shaman or Shadow Priest. Shadow Priest looks fun but seems rather mid, and Evolve Shaman is more expensive, but if anything gets nerfed it will be the Gnolls, so I won't really be able to refund much of the deck cost.

I'm stuck playing Quest priest, which is fine against aggro, and does fine against Evolve Shaman if I draw my removal and they draw Gnoll+schooling+evolve, but I just insta-concede against other decks that have Renathal in it, because I have no interest in playing a 25 minute game that gets decided on who draws their "win the game" card first. Not a really a fan of the direction the game has gone. Control vs control used to drag on, but at least it had some nuance when it came to maximizing value from your deck and minimizing fatigue. If you are not playing aggro everything just seems to be about getting insane highrolls. The game feels like it got the Diablo 3 treatment, where they couldn't figure out how to balance the game so they threw balance out the window and settled on keeping things interesting through power creep.

Wizard of the Deep
Sep 25, 2005

Another productive workday

Desert Bus posted:

I just brutalized Diamond Wild with this to Hit Legend:

### Secret Mage
# Class: Mage
# Format: Wild
#
# 2x (1) Kabal Lackey
# 2x (2) Anonymous Informant
# 1x (2) Arcane Flakmage
# 2x (2) Arcanologist
# 2x (2) Mad Scientist
# 2x (2) Medivh's Valet
# 2x (3) Counterspell
# 2x (3) Explosive Runes
# 2x (3) Inconspicuous Rider
# 2x (3) Objection!
# 2x (3) Rigged Faire Game
# 1x (4) Chatty Bartender
# 1x (4) Orion, Mansion Manager
# 2x (5) Cloud Prince
# 2x (6) Contract Conjurer
# 2x (6) Kabal Crystal Runner
# 1x (6) Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon
#
AAEBAc2xAgS+pAOV4QOj5AS95AQN9w3XtgLrugKHvQLdqQOR4QPo4QPnnwTGoAT+7AS87QT/kgXboQUA
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Can confirm this deck is as vicious as it is fun. Only loss was against a Hunter running only Rivedare in his deck, then got Flark's Boom Zooka to summon the three added horsemen.

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

TyrantWD posted:

Trying to figure out what to play for the push from D5 to legend.I came back this set after 2.5 years+ away, so I am missing a lot of legendaries, and have enough dust for Evolve Shaman or Shadow Priest. Shadow Priest looks fun but seems rather mid, and Evolve Shaman is more expensive, but if anything gets nerfed it will be the Gnolls, so I won't really be able to refund much of the deck cost.

If you have the patience I would recommend waiting more than a couple days from the release of the mini set to see how things shake out with the meta before making crafting decisions..

What I will say is one of the cards in evolve Shaman (Blazing Transmutation) is known to be bugged (it can discover Neptulon when it's not supposed to) and that card is going to be fixed by the Hearthstone team very soon - it's on their known issues list on their website. It's the only card from the mini set that has made the cut for evolve Shaman and prior to the mini set evolve shaman was not considered to be one of the best decks in the game - solidly tier 2, but not really at the top of anyone's recommended crafting list.

It also has a reputation for being a deck that does well lower down in the rankings and then falls off as you get into legend and higher up, but at the moment it's doing very well largely (one suspects) because of that one card. There's also not a small number of cards in the deck that are rotating 2 months from now - Goldshire Gnoll, Bru'khan of the Elements, Tiny Toys, Shadow Hunter Vol'jin, and Wildpaw Cavern. If you're just coming back to the game to this rotation for the first time, you may want to prioritize your dust on cards you can use in standard for longer than until next April.

Have you bought the path of Arthas 2,000 gold mini set? If so I would recommend at least considering one of the Death Knight decks. this website has some stats on their performance since the release of the miniset:

https://www.d0nkey.top/decks?player_class=DEATHKNIGHT

The triple frost deathknight decks are good performers, consist entirely of cards that are from the most recent year of expansions and thus will be sticking around, and the only expensive stuff you have to craft if you have the path of Arthas thing is cards that can be used for a wide variety of decks like Astalor and the School Teachers. It's the deck I ended up settling on when I came back to the game a couple months back and It's been doing very well for me.. although there are some games where you just get rolled over and the deck feels very powerless, there are more games where you have just enough juice to eek out a kill on a player :)

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

TyrantWD posted:

Trying to figure out what to play for the push from D5 to legend.I came back this set after 2.5 years+ away, so I am missing a lot of legendaries, and have enough dust for Evolve Shaman or Shadow Priest. Shadow Priest looks fun but seems rather mid, and Evolve Shaman is more expensive, but if anything gets nerfed it will be the Gnolls, so I won't really be able to refund much of the deck cost.

I recommend the shadow priest deck, but specifically the aggro undead one not the slow resurrect just 3 drops one, it's what I took D5 to legend with last season.

Mainly because it's cheaper, but also most of the cards are from the past year of standard so they'll be in decks for next year too.

Evolve Shaman is busted right now but fwiw the gnolls aren't gonna get nerfed, just rotated. If they absolutely have to they'll nerf the new evolve card to either discover 1 of 2 minions instead of 1 of 3 minions, or just making it cost 2 mana.

Math You
Oct 27, 2010

So put your faith
in more than steel
Holy poo poo. The game is completely unplayable for me on android after the patch. Certain triggers seem to cause the app to completely lock up. I can't even open my collection and it also happens every other game requiring me to force close the app. To add insult to injury it seems a 50/50 that the "reconnecting to game" screen will lock the app. Love to forfeit 2 turns in a game I was winning.

Anywho, just wondering if this is happening to anyone else before I reinstall the 1000000gb mobile game.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.
Wow, current Evolve Shaman has to be one of the dumbest decks I've ever played in Hearthstone. They definitely need to patch this but I'm sure gonna be playing it until they do

Oenis
Mar 15, 2012
Hearthstone has turned into the most unfun casino highroll simulator for me. Whenever I give it another chance, I end up ragequitting after two games. Of course when I try to play the broken poo poo I get to do exciting things like evolve the 10 mana Gnoll into another Gnoll or draw completely dead. The game in its current form is absolutely no bueno for my mental well-being, but after almost 10 years I'm neck-deep into investment fallacy, it's very hard to quit completely.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Oenis posted:

Hearthstone has turned into the most unfun casino highroll simulator for me. Whenever I give it another chance, I end up ragequitting after two games. Of course when I try to play the broken poo poo I get to do exciting things like evolve the 10 mana Gnoll into another Gnoll or draw completely dead. The game in its current form is absolutely no bueno for my mental well-being, but after almost 10 years I'm neck-deep into investment fallacy, it's very hard to quit completely.

I try to frame it as 'something to pass the time on my stationary bike':) What would you be doing if you weren't playing HS? Do that :)

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

Oenis posted:

Hearthstone has turned into the most unfun casino highroll simulator for me. Whenever I give it another chance, I end up ragequitting after two games. Of course when I try to play the broken poo poo I get to do exciting things like evolve the 10 mana Gnoll into another Gnoll or draw completely dead. The game in its current form is absolutely no bueno for my mental well-being, but after almost 10 years I'm neck-deep into investment fallacy, it's very hard to quit completely.

What format are you playing? There are only three good formats. I will rank them for you so as to keep this easy:

1) Casual Wild (it's a dumb loving game play to have fun)
2) Battlegrounds (it's fun and why not? good if you don't want to think)
3) Legend Wild (annoying to get to, but basically Casual Wild on steroids)

If you are bored come hang with the Casual Wild people. The playerbase is tiny but friendly as gently caress. No one is worrying about wins or losses. Build dumb fun poo poo, play it, slam the "add friend" button, etc. The game is a lot better when you toss winning and losing out the window and just play to have fun with friends. Being able to trash talk, share deck lists, swap advice, etc.? It makes it so much better.

Sloppy
Apr 25, 2003

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

Desert Bus posted:

What format are you playing? There are only three good formats. I will rank them for you so as to keep this easy:

1) Casual Wild (it's a dumb loving game play to have fun)
2) Battlegrounds (it's fun and why not? good if you don't want to think)
3) Legend Wild (annoying to get to, but basically Casual Wild on steroids)

If you are bored come hang with the Casual Wild people. The playerbase is tiny but friendly as gently caress. No one is worrying about wins or losses. Build dumb fun poo poo, play it, slam the "add friend" button, etc. The game is a lot better when you toss winning and losing out the window and just play to have fun with friends. Being able to trash talk, share deck lists, swap advice, etc.? It makes it so much better.

You forgot the best casual format, Duels.

It's the only reason I'm still around tbh, dropping Ancient Reflections on your opponent's Mecha-Shark is about as good as Hearthstone will ever get.

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


Mayveena posted:

I try to frame it as 'something to pass the time on my stationary bike':) What would you be doing if you weren't playing HS? Do that :)

Marvel Snap obviously.

Olpainless
Jun 30, 2003
... Insert something brilliantly witty here.

Desert Bus posted:

What format are you playing? There are only three good formats. I will rank them for you so as to keep this easy:

1) Casual Wild (it's a dumb loving game play to have fun)
2) Battlegrounds (it's fun and why not? good if you don't want to think)
3) Legend Wild (annoying to get to, but basically Casual Wild on steroids)

If you are bored come hang with the Casual Wild people. The playerbase is tiny but friendly as gently caress. No one is worrying about wins or losses. Build dumb fun poo poo, play it, slam the "add friend" button, etc. The game is a lot better when you toss winning and losing out the window and just play to have fun with friends. Being able to trash talk, share deck lists, swap advice, etc.? It makes it so much better.

Disclaimer on no.3 there - it's not merely annoying, it's like driving nails into your dick against an endless parade of secret mage, pirate rogue and even shaman

On the plus side though once you get there you might get to play Dane, and honestly, sometimes you feel like playing badly just to see what magnificent poo poo he pulls off

avantgardener
Sep 16, 2003

Has anyone done a degenerate evolve shaman deck that exploits the thaddius odd cards cost 1 mana thing yet?

mcbexx
Jul 4, 2004

British dentistry is
not on trial here!



Yeah, Hearthstone is the only "service" game I have stuck with, and that's because of the actual money I have sunk into it.
I have gone free to play except for the tavern pass, which I will phase out as well come next expansion. Probably will stay on until my gold and dust run out, but the high-roll, casino style play and the ramp up of both (almost) inevitable win conditions and the only valid counterplays - stacking or playing against unfun disruptive cards, is slowly but steadily killing the game for me. I quit Overwatch and Apex Legends, I might finally be free shortly. :dance:

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


GTO posted:

Has anyone done a degenerate evolve shaman deck that exploits the thaddius odd cards cost 1 mana thing yet?

I think this is just called "evolve shaman"

Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.
Huge ThisIsFine.gif energy, as my Druid opponent on my Turn 6 manages to drop Brann, Anub'Rekhan, and two 8 Cost Astalors.

avantgardener
Sep 16, 2003

World War Mammories posted:

I think this is just called "evolve shaman"

Turn 2 Neptulon in standard is a start but i also want to be able to play my entire deck on t3 somehow.

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

GTO posted:

Has anyone done a degenerate evolve shaman deck that exploits the thaddius odd cards cost 1 mana thing yet?

Here's Regis Killbin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A-alIQQx1g

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

Olpainless posted:

Disclaimer on no.3 there - it's not merely annoying, it's like driving nails into your dick against an endless parade of secret mage, pirate rogue and even shaman

On the plus side though once you get there you might get to play Dane, and honestly, sometimes you feel like playing badly just to see what magnificent poo poo he pulls off

I beat Roffle yesterday when they were stuck at D1. No mercy for streamers.

avantgardener
Sep 16, 2003


Yeah that's the ticket. Gotta say having played evolve shaman exclusively for the last 6 weeks it feels very broken right now, I'm on a 6 game streak at d4 currently. Wonder if they'll hotfix it or wait for a patch. The fix would maybe to make a vanilla 8/8 that costs 11 and 12 mana so you can't evolve the gnoll so ridiculously.

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



The best nerf to Gnoll I saw would be to buff Ur'zul giant to 11 mana.

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely
on reflection that blazing transmutation card might be the most moronic thing they've ever released

**no.. it's probably still secret passage on release. But close.

Starsfan fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 17, 2023

Firebert
Aug 16, 2004
Just rotate gnoll early, gently caress shaman and phylactery warlock

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Starsfan posted:

on reflection that blazing transmutation card might be the most moronic thing they've ever released

**no.. it's probably still secret passage on release. But close.

Shadow of Demise, now and forever

It can even be another secret passage :laffo:

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Lurks With Wolves
Jan 14, 2013

At least I don't dance with them, right?

Starsfan posted:

on reflection that blazing transmutation card might be the most moronic thing they've ever released

I feel like a big part of the problem is the specific evolution payoff cards they have in standard right now. If evolve shaman was mostly evolving mid-cost token stuff like Doppelgangster, then discovering the specific 6-8 cost minion you're evolving is a fine way to avoid some of the randomness of evolve decks. (Well, it would be if it was drawing from the trimmed list of cards they allow you to evolve into).

But no, this is an evolve shaman deck built around playing something that's technically a 10-cost incredibly early and evolving it into another 10-cost, and they knew this was the main payoff for the deck when they put this card in this set, so it's all just a mess.

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