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bold move considering when he started ippo he was one foot in the grave
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It’s gonna be their first time and Kumi sees Ippo’s heavyweight attachment and go “you know what, you should go back to boxing”
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Feb 15, 2023 20:25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzgS61zgPEg
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Feb 15, 2023 20:30
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i reject 'warlee', absolutely not.
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Feb 15, 2023 21:40
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Well you don't have to worry about it anymore.
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Feb 15, 2023 21:41
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“He’s on the same level as me!” Ricardo you beat him like a rag doll let’s calm down here
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Feb 15, 2023 22:05
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its like going toe to toe for 1minute vs. base form frieza during the namek arc. then get killed instantly by final form frieza no, its not the same
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Feb 15, 2023 23:45
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Oh, so like Vegeta.
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Feb 16, 2023 00:06
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re: kumi, it really is almost entirely Ippo's "fault" that there's this tension here kumi has been pretty blatant and clear about what she thinks and why she thinks it. from her perspective, boxing doesn't really add anything to either ippo or ryo's life. kumi loves ippo the person, not ippo the boxer, she would still have loved him even if he never really boxed. ryo has been using his sister as an excuse to fight for ages, the whole "i have to take care of her thing" is absurd, she's been employed in a good job for 99% of the manga, and it's not like boxing is the only thing that could theoretically supplement that income, but ryo isnt as keen on Just Working Construction, he LIKES being able to fight. kumi's also a medical professional and knows perfectly well the real danger that they're putting themselves in. last time ippo fought he was tumbling around the ring like a drunk giraffe against a boxer not even half as good as him. ryo literally assaulted a man and was banned for ages from the sport. are these the results they're looking for? for kumi, a character that doesn't need to see ippo as a warrior to love him, and as a sister that doesn't need her brother to be a fighter to love him, boxing seems to add so little to what she cares for about them and risk taking away so much from them both (a theme more and more pronounced for the last few years) and like was said before, ippo loving SUCKS at communicating with her! the only conversation they've had on this matter is ippo telling her that he'll quit the next time he loses, and for good reason! whenever kumitalk comes up (not on here, mostly in the subreddit) i get annoyed because its like people think she KNOWS she's in a manga called Hajime no Ippo. but from her perspective its completely reasonable to say "yeah its probably not a great idea to return to the ring given you almost lost everything last time out"
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tbp posted:re: kumi, it really is almost entirely Ippo's "fault" that there's this tension here Basically, she has Fourth Wall Myopia. Her point 100% still stands though and other manga like RRR and Ashita no Joe have had these issues be part of their stories.
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Feb 17, 2023 00:57
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Thank God TV Tropes can explain this character for all of us
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Feb 17, 2023 01:00
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linking to tvtropes should be an automatic sixer
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Feb 17, 2023 01:33
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Mimi is just skylering it’s fine
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Feb 17, 2023 03:19
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DamnGlitch posted:Mimi is just skylering it’s fine Now I'm imagining a HnI live action US remake that somehow takes the world by storm and there's this vicious social media backlash about that BITCH Kumi who won't just gently caress off and let Ippo slowly kill himself on other people's fists   vvv 
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Feb 17, 2023 05:08
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Takes No Damage posted:Now I'm imagining a HnI live action US remake that somehow takes the world by storm and there's this vicious social media backlash about that BITCH Kumi who won't just gently caress off and let Ippo slowly kill himself on other people's fists ... So... Rocky?
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Feb 17, 2023 05:10
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Anyone, ANYONE who hated on Adrian deserved the electric chair
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Feb 17, 2023 05:58
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The thing is people are going "Oh Ippo's being dumb" but remember... Ippo still hasn't even hinted he'd like to come back, right now this is still EVERYONE ELSE! Even when confronted about it, Ippo seems perfectly content, the itch has not yet returned to him. Yes, it's an inevitable occurrence, but like... It's not like he's going elsewhere to fight gently caress in secret, he's very clear on how he feels and what he wants.
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Feb 17, 2023 07:09
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Shinjobi posted:Anyone, ANYONE who hated on Adrian deserved the electric chair Who the hell hated Adrian???!!! Other than Pauly, who deserved to die in a Philly gutter, and or have his robot wife assassinate him before Rock leaves for Russia. At least when Stallone first wrote Adrian she communicates in a way he understands, a grown up normal person. And Talia Shire is a fantastic actress. Kumi is just as culpable in not voicing her concerns, as much as Ippo is a moron for not saying what he really wants out of his professional life and personal aspiratios. Both characters of the manga are written at the whims of someone who obviously doesn't want them to talk like adults for dramatic tension purposes and comedic moments that play out as extremely dated tropes.
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Feb 17, 2023 07:53
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CharlestonJew posted:“He’s on the same level as me!” I mean, when you go back to the previous Ricardo fight, where he was like "Oh, Date survived into the later rounds against me. I blocked his greatest punch with my elbow, shattering his hand. This is the toughest fight I've ever been in woof."
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Feb 17, 2023 15:02
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Onmi posted:The thing is people are going "Oh Ippo's being dumb" but remember... Ippo still hasn't even hinted he'd like to come back, right now this is still EVERYONE ELSE! Even when confronted about it, Ippo seems perfectly content, the itch has not yet returned to him. Yes, it's an inevitable occurrence, but like... It's not like he's going elsewhere to fight gently caress in secret, he's very clear on how he feels and what he wants. Imo this is why Sendo doesn't die, he's 'satisfied' like Sanada or, now, Wally. The only thing getting Ippo back in the ring is the answer to 'What does it mean to be strong?' and the best person to direct Ippo to Ricardo is the other person who had that same question getting it answered. (Takamura is the one who dies, and it's to set up the stakes for world champ Ippo vs. challenger Miyata)
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Feb 17, 2023 17:02
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What if Ippo's story ends with helping Sendo becoming world champ
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Feb 17, 2023 17:19
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Bisse posted:What if Ippo's story ends with helping Sendo becoming world champ
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Feb 17, 2023 17:28
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Bisse posted:What if Ippo's story ends with helping Sendo becoming world champ I guess I was giving Mori the credit of writing an ending that makes sense with what he's written up to this point instead of ending on an anticlimax, but I *do* actually think the ending conflict is going to be Ippo choosing to take the L to avoid Miyata becoming Joe Yabuki 2.0 (reaching the conclusion that true strength comes from internal understanding of self, not external validation)
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Feb 17, 2023 17:33
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Ippo is going to come back to boxing because Miyata promises to kiss him if he becomes world champ. Stop overthinking things.
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Feb 17, 2023 18:05
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it's not a complicated story, but I promise you don't have to pretend to be stupid to enjoy it. It's actually good to enjoy simple things thoughtfully made.
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BHB posted:Imo this is why Sendo doesn't die, he's 'satisfied' like Sanada or, now, Wally. The only thing getting Ippo back in the ring is the answer to 'What does it mean to be strong?' and the best person to direct Ippo to Ricardo is the other person who had that same question getting it answered. That's pretty much it, minus the second thing. Ippo's entire drive has been "What does it mean to be strong." Everyone goes to Joe or Rocky but in neither case the motivation anywhere near similar. The big thing, set up since Ippo started shifting from boxing to coaching was the line in the dirt. Ippo didn't want it, he wasn't a monster. Sendo dying doesn't answer that question, Woli dying doesn't answer that question. They don't raise it again, they don't provide a path to take. Joe got in the ring because he wanted to kill himself out of revenge and grief. Rocky got in the ring out of revenge, and then later in Balboa, because Adiren was dead and he was miserable. Stallone even pointed out the only reason Rocky considered getting back in the ring was Adrien having been passed away, if she hadn't, he never would. Rather than try to go "Well this happened in Ashita No Joe, ergo-" Stop trying to map a character who isn't Ippo onto Ippo. He could not be further from Joe motivationwise.
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Feb 17, 2023 20:34
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I like retirement Ippo a lot so i'm not sure I want him to get back in the ring to become world champ or whatever but I think regardless of where the story ends up going he does probably need 1 more match.
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Feb 17, 2023 23:08
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The retirement arc has grown on me, really feels like things are moving along again.
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Feb 17, 2023 23:32
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retirement arc be good if ippo had a serious disciple instead of the comic relief kunckleheads
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Feb 18, 2023 00:34
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I'm glad Ippo adopted a couple of stupid bullies that think he's the coolest
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Feb 18, 2023 00:48
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BHB posted:I guess I was giving Mori the credit of writing an ending that makes sense with what he's written up to this point instead of ending on an anticlimax, but I *do* actually think the ending conflict is going to be Ippo choosing to take the L to avoid Miyata becoming Joe Yabuki 2.0 (reaching the conclusion that true strength comes from internal understanding of self, not external validation) i get the notion you're going toward here, but i would genuinely contend that there is no ending that makes sense without ippo returning and fighting ricardo. i just can't see it.
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Onmi posted:That's pretty much it, minus the second thing. Ippo's entire drive has been "What does it mean to be strong." Everyone goes to Joe or Rocky but in neither case the motivation anywhere near similar. The big thing, set up since Ippo started shifting from boxing to coaching was the line in the dirt. Ippo didn't want it, he wasn't a monster. Sendo dying doesn't answer that question, Woli dying doesn't answer that question. They don't raise it again, they don't provide a path to take. Joe got in the ring because he wanted to kill himself out of revenge and grief. Rocky got in the ring out of revenge, and then later in Balboa, because Adiren was dead and he was miserable. Stallone even pointed out the only reason Rocky considered getting back in the ring was Adrien having been passed away, if she hadn't, he never would. big agreed. HnI is not anywhere NEAR as cynical a story as Ashita no Joe. i summed this up on the subreddit not terribly long ago, but if the main thesis of HnI is "methodical self analysis and expression/actualization of self is the key to happiness and growth", AnJ's main thesis is "the rich/powerful will force you to dance to death for their own entertainment, but you might still be able to find meaning in life despite that". they are just so ridiculously opposed to one another as stories HnI takes a lot of little moments from AnJ but its as a love letter rather than specifically going for the plot beats. a great example of this is sendo's second loss to ippo actually. remember the scene where he's on the train and sendo acknowledges the celebration from the travelling fans? can you loving EVER imagine Joe Yabuki doing that? not at all, Joe would have cursed them off or something and then curled up in a ball underneath a highway in the pouring rain while danpei drinks himself into a stupor. now, literally all of that said... it IS a little nervewracking for me that sendo is going to fight ricardo. sendo will hold on FOREVER, he legit won't lose anywhere near as "easily" as Woli. he'd rather die. and we now have two characters pretty blatantly based off AnJ, fighting on the same stage... i don't think Sendo will die, but i also think it's pretty likely his next fight is his last. one more thought: a theme that's been brought up in a big way during the retirement arc is what the victor "owes" the defeated. sendo never got the chance to beat ippo, and if his fight against ricardo is his last, does ippo "owe" sendo anything? will ippo feel that he does, even if it's unreasonable? would sendo even ASK that of him? and if he does, what will the response be?
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tbp posted:i get the notion you're going toward here, but i would genuinely contend that there is no ending that makes sense without ippo returning and fighting ricardo. i just can't see it. Ippo v Ricardo is absolutely going to happen, I just think there are fights afterwards with Ippo as WC. e: agree also that this is an optimistic story at its heart. Stakes are high, but boxing has been a net positive for most of the fighters we've seen. BHB fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Feb 19, 2023 |
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Feb 19, 2023 00:18
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I feel like you could probably end the story without Ippo as champ or without even doing Ippo vs Martinez though you'd want them to have something of a significant confrontation or arc together anyway. I feel like the only match i'm confident Ippo is going to have is finally doing the rematch with Miyata.
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Feb 19, 2023 00:35
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if Ippo ever does become world champ I can only imagine it happening in 2030 at the earliest
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Feb 19, 2023 00:52
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I think the story could end with Ippo choosing a non-braindamaged average schmuck life over going into the ring again, and be a coach instead.
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maybe ippo will go back when takamura gets actual brain damage, and coach finds out he has 6 months to live, and he's the only hope left to give coach one final memory
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Feb 19, 2023 17:07
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Chapter 1412
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Feb 21, 2023 20:58
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please for the love of god, just let the Kumi - Ippo confrontation actually happen this time.
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With so many romcom anime pairings finally happening it's time for Ippo to confess.
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