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Mooseontheloose posted:There is some question as to whether AP classes are worth it and actually prepping kids for college but DeSantis isn't doing it for that obviously. Gerrymandering plus chuds moving in is a dangerous combination.
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Mooseontheloose posted:There is some question as to whether AP classes are worth it and actually prepping kids for college but DeSantis isn't doing it for that obviously. Retirees don't care about schools. There have been a bunch of moves in Florida and Arizona to partially exempt certain houses/homeowners from property/school taxes.
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Feb 17, 2023 17:41
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Mooseontheloose posted:There is some question as to whether AP classes are worth it and actually prepping kids for college but DeSantis isn't doing it for that obviously. Economically, Florida basically exists on retirement snowbirds, tourism, and meth. None of those constituencies care about education. They're dying, visiting, and dying respectively. For a good chunk of the remainder that aren't in one of the above categories, it'll own the libs and that's what is really important. Everyone else is basically fleeing the state between don't-say-gay and strapping dynamite to the education system and on and on.
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Feb 17, 2023 17:54
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I don't have economic data to point to, but my understanding is that there's stark inequality between the retirees and professional athletes/entertainers who move there for tax and other reasons, and everybody else.
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Feb 17, 2023 17:58
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't have economic data to point to, but my understanding is that there's stark inequality between the retirees and professional athletes/entertainers who move there for tax and other reasons, and everybody else.
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Feb 17, 2023 18:06
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't have economic data to point to, but my understanding is that there's stark inequality between the retirees and professional athletes/entertainers who move there for tax and other reasons, and everybody else. Definitely saw that when I worked down there.
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Feb 17, 2023 18:09
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It reminds me of the stories of poor locals begging outside of the walls of various international resorts, but at home
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Feb 17, 2023 18:11
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Meatball posted:Isn't immigration based on federal law? Didn't know the Republicans wanted open borders. It wouldn't surprise me if Scott hasn't thought it through that far. This strikes me as the kind of plan that comes from a moron surrounded by yes-men. He literally might not realize that agencies are stood up by federal law, immigration policy is made of laws, etc.
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Feb 17, 2023 18:16
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Blue Footed Booby posted:It wouldn't surprise me if Scott hasn't thought it through that far. This strikes me as the kind of plan that comes from a moron surrounded by yes-men. He literally might not realize that agencies are stood up by federal law, immigration policy is made of laws, etc. It's exactly the same kind of brief, simple, and stupid idea as Trump's demand that for every regulation passed two should be repealed, or companies that fire the lowest 10% on some performance metric every month
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Feb 17, 2023 18:25
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https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1586796299760074752 This is largely what Republicans do.
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Feb 17, 2023 18:39
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I can't imagine DeSantis will actually follow through with this because it is too obviously self-destructively stupid for no gain. But, I have said that before and underestimated how self-destructively stupid he has been before. Creating 1 state where all the chuds congregate and pass their insane poo poo seems like a good thing. The Florida Quarantine.
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Feb 17, 2023 18:42
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That'd be lovely but in reality they are doing their best to drive anyone remotely left leaning out of states as soon as they gain control at the state level to push for permanent minority rule.
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Feb 17, 2023 18:46
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Rick Scott was so annoyed that Biden refused his request to stop claiming claiming that his plan would sunset Medicare/Social Security, that he has now amended it from "All legislation" to "this was never meant to apply to Social Security, Medicare, or the U.S. Navy" and even gets in a dig at McConnell who he is definitely still not mad at for killing his leadership bid and getting him kicked off of the NRSC. Everything would just get dumped into another continuing resolution omnibus type bill so a few dumbos can grandstand for months before a clean version is passed 6 hours before the deadline.
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Feb 17, 2023 18:53
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Blue Footed Booby posted:It wouldn't surprise me if Scott hasn't thought it through that far. This strikes me as the kind of plan that comes from a moron surrounded by yes-men. He literally might not realize that agencies are stood up by federal law, immigration policy is made of laws, etc. Of course he didn't. And he's maybe even being honest (for once) when he says he never really meant it to apply to SS and Medicare because he never meant it as a real policy, just some feel good bullshit to show the That's not to say he and the rest of those vipers don't want to repeal SS and Medicare, just that he didn't expect anyone to take this proposal seriously on its face.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:05
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koolkal posted:https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1586796299760074752 Texans already don't pay income tax though
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Feb 17, 2023 19:06
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South Dakota signed a bill to forcibly detransition all minors by the end of the year and Florida is compiling data from universities about their trans students. They are building towards genocide.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:07
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PeterWeller posted:Of course he didn't. And he's maybe even being honest (for once) when he says he never really meant it to apply to SS and Medicare because he never meant it as a real policy, just some feel good bullshit to show the Eh, the whole thing was marketing for his brand to rapidly ascend to a more senior position among Republican leadership. The whole Rescue America plan - down to the name - was intended to mimic Trump's politics and appeal as Scott understood them. How serious he was about any part of the proposal, who knows. It was an attempt to raise his profile and grab more power from the beginning.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:08
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Shooting Blanks posted:Eh, the whole thing was marketing for his brand to rapidly ascend to a more senior position among Republican leadership. The whole Rescue America plan - down to the name - was intended to mimic Trump's politics and appeal as Scott understood them. How serious he was about any part of the proposal, who knows. It was an attempt to raise his profile and grab more power from the beginning. Yeah, this is basically what I mean, except I don't think any of it was serious at all, which is why he seems blindsided by people taking him at his word and is now making snippy amendments to it.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:11
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Harold Fjord posted:They are building towards genocide. Is it time to start talking about direct action yet? Or do we have to wait until the blood is in the gutters?
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koolkal posted:Creating 1 state where all the chuds congregate and pass their insane poo poo seems like a good thing. The Florida Quarantine. Except for the people stuck here. But I guess that's a personal failing of mine.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:19
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koolkal posted:https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1586796299760074752 Every time I see this I wonder how they expect their world to function without it. Senators and soldiers don't get paid without taxes, boyo. Its not like a social media platform where you can make "Freedom Revenue Service".
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Feb 17, 2023 19:22
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CuddleCryptid posted:Every time I see this I wonder how they expect their world to function without it. Senators and soldiers don't get paid without taxes, boyo. Its not like a social media platform where you can make "Freedom Revenue Service". Senators easily get paid without taxes.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:23
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CuddleCryptid posted:Every time I see this I wonder how they expect their world to function without it. Senators and soldiers don't get paid without taxes, boyo. Its not like a social media platform where you can make "Freedom Revenue Service". It's a plan less thought out than "repeal and replace" for healthcare.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:24
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CuddleCryptid posted:Every time I see this I wonder how they expect their world to function without it. Senators and soldiers don't get paid without taxes, boyo. Its not like a social media platform where you can make "Freedom Revenue Service". Flat tax. Cruz is absolutely playing to flat tax guys and might be one himself. It's his official policy but no idea if he's a true believer.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:41
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Harold Fjord posted:South Dakota signed a bill to forcibly detransition all minors by the end of the year and Florida is compiling data from universities about their trans students. I wonder, other than "lol, because the supreme court can just decide it does," how that would even be able to hold up in court. I mean, it's forcing an unwanted medical procedure on someone without their consent and very much against their will, at least in cases where surgery was involved. And for instances where medication is involved, couldn't they just say "Oh, these aren't transition pills, they're to treat my OtherThing-itis."
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PeterWeller posted:Of course he didn't. And he's maybe even being honest (for once) when he says he never really meant it to apply to SS and Medicare because he never meant it as a real policy, just some feel good bullshit to show the I'm just saying he seems to have underthought it even as bad faith nonsense goes. It's kind of amazing.
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Tatsuta Age posted:Texans already don't pay income tax though also isnt the FL tax thing off set by insurance related costs. paying the gov is bad, but paying a non gov entity is good? e: cruz wants ultra libertarian private PMCs/LEOs that only he and his peeps pay for. (also they are all 999999999% loyal and will never turn on him and his peeps) PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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Feb 17, 2023 19:59
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the_steve posted:I wonder, other than "lol, because the supreme court can just decide it does," how that would even be able to hold up in court. To be clear they're going about it by targeting doctors. So doctors can't give gender affirming care and have a year to stop all current care. https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvm9a8/south-dakota-to-force-trans-kids-to-detransition-ban-gender-affirming-care In the end the actual enforcement only matters so much because the law of really there to give a veil of intimidation. Now it's going to be scarier and harder to be a doctor who gives that care, to be a patient who seeks it out, and the state has a way to harass those who do even if enforcement isn't very clear or effective.
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the_steve posted:I wonder, other than "lol, because the supreme court can just decide it does," how that would even be able to hold up in court. The bill doesn't force anyone to get surgery. Full gender reassignment surgery is not recommended for minors anyway. The bill just says that doctors have to stop actively prescribing minors drugs or treatments for the purpose of transitioning. It also has a huge loophole that allows exemptions if the doctor "feels that doing so may cause harm to the child." Nobody really knows how it is even supposed to be enforced because the bill's author says its up to doctors. The fact that they put this giant loophole in is basically proof that they don't really care about kids transitioning specifically and just want to stigmatize them socially/score political points. If it really was abuse and something they believed needed to stop, then there wouldn't be an exemption. Nobody put any real thought into it and that is probably going to result in it having no impact on a lot of people, but absolutely ruining some people because it will be up to individual people to determine what "harm" is, how you measure the likelihood of harm, how anyone other than the person themselves or the doctor is even supposed to know, or how far each individual doctor wants to push it. Edit: Gumball beat me by a second and sums it up pretty well.
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On the one hand, I think red states turning themselves into private fiefdoms of extreme reaction is going to backfire on them horribly. On the other hand, that's no help to the victims of their fascist regimes. And it's very, very bad for the US to become a confederation of radically different states, while basically sane liberal people respond with "Well, I just won't ever go to Florida. Or Kansas. Or Arkansas. Or Texas. Or Virginia. Wait, Virginia? Oh, poo poo..." the_steve posted:And for instances where medication is involved, couldn't they just say "Oh, these aren't transition pills, they're to treat my OtherThing-itis." Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The bill doesn't force anyone to get surgery. Full gender reassignment surgery is not recommended for minors anyway. The bill just says that doctors have to stop actively prescribing minors drugs or treatments for the purpose of transitioning. That's not a loophole, it's a year grace period. quote:“If the healthcare professional determines and documents in the minor’s medical record that immediately terminating the minor’s use of the drug or hormone would cause harm to the minor, the healthcare professional may institute a period during which the minor’s use of the drug or hormone is systematically reduced. That period can not extend beyond December 31, 2023" From the text of the bill.
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PhazonLink posted:also isnt the FL tax thing off set by insurance related costs. paying the gov is bad, but paying a non gov entity is good? Places that don't have an income tax usually offset it with larger property taxes and sales taxes. Florida is one of the few places where they actually do have a very low tax burden because a large chunk of the state's budget comes from non-residents. Florida, Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, and New Hampshire all have disproportionately high state spending and disproportionately low state taxes because they get their tax revenue from outside the state (tourists, oil companies, international corporations, and Massachusetts respectively).
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Gumball Gumption posted:That's not a loophole, it's a year grace period. Yeah, but what I am saying is that if they really considered this abuse that needed to be stopped then they wouldn't have given people a year to continue abusing kids or not put any official enforcement mechanism into the bill. Nobody really thought it through because the central purpose of the bill is stigmatizing/scoring political points. It's a similar thing with some of the abortion ban exemptions. If you really believed it was murder, then you wouldn't have a bunch of politically uncomfortable situations get exemptions where murder is okay.
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How I see things is that it's two-fold. First is that bigots don't care about details, they just want to attack and destroy outgroups. Damage to society or themselves is irrelevant, they want to attack and destroy outgroups and that is what they will work to accomplish. People getting pelvic exams at organizations that also provide abortion care or having other reasons for taking the same compounds that are used for puberty blocking or medical transitions are just collateral damage, and they don't give a gently caress. If they have to hurt those people to also attack and destroy outgroups, then gently caress them they're gonna get hurt too. Second is that ambiguity is really, really useful for bigots. See they're not being racist, it's just that the literacy tests are administered by white people. Doesn't say anywhere in the law what kind of literacy test it has to be, just have to have one. Law says so! They're not targeting trans rights and ostracizing them from society. It just says the doctor can be arrested and prosecuted if they give the wrong kind of treatment. What specifically are the right kinds and wrong kinds? Oh you know, those kinds. The wrong and right ones. Don't get them mixed up OK? Law says so! The chilling effect is absolutely on purpose.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yeah, but what I am saying is that if they really considered this abuse that needed to be stopped then they wouldn't have given people a year to continue abusing kids or not put any official enforcement mechanism into the bill. Nobody really thought it through because the central purpose of the bill is stigmatizing/scoring political points. Yeah sure I just want it to be clear since people are confused that it's very explicit that on January 1st 2024 there will be no legal access to gender affirming care for minors in South Dakota. Since it started with a question about enforcement I wanted to make sure it wasn't misunderstood and taken as a way for doctors to keep giving care long term on the argument it would be more damaging than stopping.
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Incredible content from the Onion today: https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1626631349003030528 quote:“Quentin” is a 14-year-old assigned female at birth who now identifies as male against the wishes of his parents. His transition was supported by one of his unmarried teachers, who is not a virgin. He stole his parents’ car and drove to the hospital, where a doctor immediately began performing top surgery on him. Afterward, driving home drunk from the hospital, Quentin became suicidally depressed, and he wonders now, homeless and ridden with gonorrhea, if transitioning was a mistake.
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Mooseontheloose posted:There is some question as to whether AP classes are worth it and actually prepping kids for college but DeSantis isn't doing it for that obviously. AP courses are sometimes a bit accelerated- A/B and B/C calculus are about 1.5x the material of a regular high school course, which can ease the student into a faster course pace. Colleges now offer a, b and c calculus and physics for students who want or need a more gradual pace than the typical the faster I and II courses. High schools also sometimes offer regular college courses (such as calc I) over a full year for accelerated students that allow the student to get credit from a local college as well. Whether through AP exams or getting credit from a local community college, its often better to get college credit for general requirements this way and also may allow students to graduate college early or avoid a year taking 18+ credit hours of coursework. This is especially useful for biochemistry degrees or certain engineering degrees, which often require more credits than a student can reasonably take in 4 years of college. Some APs don't translate to useful course credit for some degrees. For example, AP bio is not equivalent to the first semester of Biology+lab for a BS degree. They should absolutely end grade inflation from AP courses, tho.
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Way too close to truthquote:Research shows that trans people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to be the victim of a violent crime. We salute our colleagues across the media who are working tirelessly to make that number even higher.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I honestly don't get how the Florida economy or voters work. Worst schools in the nation, literal corruption (see Rick Scott), and like spending money on dumb stunts like the immigrant thing. But the voters in Florida seem to love this poo poo. Tourism. The voters do their best, but those Jews in Boca, the LGBTQ folks in Wilton Manors, and oceanography students at FAU deserve what they get for choosing to live in the Florida Containment Zone 💅
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Lib and let die posted:The voters do their best, but those Jews in Boca, the LGBTQ folks in Wilton Manors, and oceanography students at FAU deserve what they get for choosing to live in the Florida Containment Zone 💅 That's not even close to what I am saying.
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