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Crab Dad posted:Also yeah fending off sexual assault and theft of my uniform parts. I know that it's fun to poo poo on Crab Dad's charmed career, but this is no joke. Over my my commissioned and midshipman career I've been assaulted three times during fleet week type engagements. Like full on groped and fondled by men and women. It loving sucks.
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FrozenVent posted:For the record, PCON Crab Dad would not get probated if he appended the disclaimer to his posts, and they’ve been made aware of this. Fwiw anyone lurking SA at this point is probably too old to join any of the armed services.
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MarcusSA posted:Fwiw anyone lurking SA at this point is probably too old to join any of the armed services. I already did my time, gently caress going back in. And especially gently caress going back in at 39 
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ManMythLegend posted:I know that it's fun to poo poo on Crab Dad's charmed career, but this is no joke. 100% it’s literally the worst part of the whole experience. In most spaces I either don’t mention it or expect to be laughed off. I gave sailors proper warning last year and besides propositions and cheek kisses with hugs from ladies I didn’t really hear of any groping last year unlike my 2018 experience.
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FrozenVent posted:For the record, PCON Crab Dad would not get probated if he appended the disclaimer to his posts, and they’ve been made aware of this. you want him to sign his posts? get the gently caress outa here
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ded posted:you want him to sign his posts? get the gently caress outa here The probes are funny.
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You know fleet week is coming up when the NEX sells out of tridents and wings, lol.
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Feb 17, 2023 14:47
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I’d have taken some passing molestation over the INSURV and other poo poo we had to do while everyone else did a fleet week. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 17, 2023 15:02
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Just to be very loving clear, it’s ok to dunk on crab dad for getting repeatedly assigned to fleet week and other cake assignments, it is not ok to make light of sexual assault in any form.
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Is this a word filter thing? I imagine a lot of veterans, particularly in the navy, experienced some kind of unwanted sexual contact during their time in service. Banning references or discussion of that factz even if its casual, doesn't really seem in line with the sex assault helpline info in the probie
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Grip it and rip it posted:Is this a word filter thing? I imagine a lot of veterans, particularly in the navy, experienced some kind of unwanted sexual contact during their time in service. Banning references or discussion of that factz even if its casual, doesn't really seem in line with the sex assault helpline info in the probie No, its the "lol id rather be molested than do INSURV" bit
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M_Gargantua posted:No, its the "lol id rather be molested than do INSURV" bit Right - people regularly joke about " sodomy and the lash" and other dated naval phrases that likely refer to nonconsensual sexual contact between people aboard sailing vessels in earlier eras. These comments seem to be exactly in line with a phrase like Stultus used, so I'm trying to digure out exactly what the distinction is. Ultimately I think stultus was making a joke about sexual contact and not marginalizing the molestation of children. Seemed obvious to me but that may just be me. Edit: to be clear I don't think this is some high crime or anything - just looking for clarification Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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Feb 17, 2023 15:58
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Other than super serious stuff I simply don’t complain about the bad stuff i experience. I’ve dug poo poo out by hand from busted heads, 18+ hour watches due bad manning, away from my family for 366 days in a row and done some of the most pointless cleaning or busy work just not at the same scale as you full time kiddos because it’s not interesting or notable. I simply like to point out the cool things i experience since it’s not the norm. I do work hard behind the scenes to develop contacts and good relations but that’s not very apparent either. Carry on.
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Crab Dad posted:Other than super serious stuff I simply don’t complain about the bad stuff i experience. I’ve dug poo poo out by hand from busted heads, 18+ hour watches due bad manning, away from my family for 366 days in a row and done some of the most pointless cleaning or busy work just not at the same scale as you full time kiddos because it’s not interesting or notable. Welcome to the Chief's Mess!
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Grip it and rip it posted:Welcome to the Chief's Mess! Don’t put that evil on me Grippy Rippy.
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Grip it and rip it posted:Right - people regularly joke about " sodomy and the lash" and other dated naval phrases that likely refer to nonconsensual sexual contact between people aboard sailing vessels in earlier eras. These comments seem to be exactly in line with a phrase like Stultus used, so I'm trying to digure out exactly what the distinction is. I know a high number of women that have been sexually harassed or raped either in school or on board ship with no consequences to their attackers. I constantly have to fight against the culture and started taking an extremely dim view of jokes as people want to use them to test red lines. Changing the image of sailors as hard drinking and always horny and de-normalizing the behavior is part of it even if its less fun and gets old really fast. I could be too uptight but I haven't come up with a better way yet.
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lightpole posted:I know a high number of women that have been sexually harassed or raped either in school or on board ship with no consequences to their attackers. I constantly have to fight against the culture and started taking an extremely dim view of jokes as people want to use them to test red lines. Changing the image of sailors as hard drinking and always horny and de-normalizing the behavior is part of it even if its less fun and gets old really fast. I could be too uptight but I haven't come up with a better way yet. This is something I spend a lot of time thinking about and it's very difficult to figure out how to turn much of what needs to be done into a policy that fits the requirement for what we expect in a policy, especially with a workforce where people are protected (rightly) from summary termination and generally aware of their rights. The full director's cut of the Midshipman X whistleblower saga makes this abundantly clear. On the merchant marine side the academy culture is absolutely beyond hosed and the average cadet at a lot of schools is a douchebag kid with Daddy's money driving an F350 and excited to do some regimental hazing in an essentially all white all male environment. Edit: re alcohol I firmly believe that if Antarctica can stay wet (and hasn't even seriously considered going dry) then we shouldn't kneejerk straight to "oh you had a glass of wine at dinner ashore with your family in your home port, you criminal, license yanked!" for seamen slurm fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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It’s just a 6 hour probation or whatever but I feel like maybe you could have simply come in here and said “hey that’s not ok” and people would understand. But then again you don’t get to press a button and make the poster seem like a creep so what do I know.
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Feb 17, 2023 17:39
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quote:(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Is a nice big and immediate notification for lurkers of what not to do in a way a polite post is not.
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MarcusSA posted:It’s just a 6 hour probation or whatever but I feel like maybe you could have simply come in here and said “hey that’s not ok” and people would understand. I didn’t think I needed to say “don’t make light of sexual assault” because we’re all grown ups here. If you think that’s an issue, then you might be part of the problem.
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Grip it and rip it posted:Is this a word filter thing? I imagine a lot of veterans, particularly in the navy, experienced some kind of unwanted sexual contact during their time in service. Banning references or discussion of that factz even if its casual, doesn't really seem in line with the sex assault helpline info in the probie It’s fine to discuss molestation - see MMM’s post. That was a fine post. “I’d rather get molested than …” crosses a line. And I’m linking the resources when it comes up because a lot of people don’t know how to get help when they need it.
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FrozenVent posted:I didn’t think I needed to say “don’t make light of sexual assault” because we’re all grown ups here. If you think that’s an issue, then you might be part of the problem. Ok if you say so. FrozenVent posted:
You could have just posted that and not made that poster seem like a creep with a probation. Unwritten rules that no one knows about are the best rules though.
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MarcusSA posted:Ok if you say so. Just to be clear, your issue here is that someone could read the poster’s rap sheet and think they were being creepy? That’s the issue here? Also, it’s 2023. “Don’t make light of sexual assault” does not need to be written on a stone tablet.
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MarcusSA posted:Unwritten rules that no one knows about are the best rules though. Giving away the Chief's Mess secrets here
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FrozenVent posted:Just to be clear, your issue here is that someone could read the poster’s rap sheet and think they were being creepy? That’s the issue here? That and the fact it didn’t warrant a probation. A simple post of don’t do that would have been perfectly fine. I guess it’s easier to press a button though 
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As the IK, I decided it warranted a probation. File an appeal in QCS if you think I overreached.
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FrozenVent posted:As the IK, I decided it warranted a probation. File an appeal in QCS if you think I overreached. This is just cruel lmao
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not seeing the problem here made a wisecrack, got the lash in keeping with the highest traditions of the us naval service
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US Berder Patrol posted:not seeing the problem here p much this, say stupid poo poo, win stupid prizes
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MarcusSA posted:Ok if you say so. I deeply resent that crack about probations. My rap sheet is mile long and I’m the nicest guy.
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A sixer isn't an actual punishment. Q.E.D. Sending someone to QCS though? I shudder.
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M_Gargantua posted:A sixer isn't an actual punishment. Q.E.D. QCS is gone now, it can't hurt you
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Crab Dad posted:Other than super serious stuff I simply don’t complain about the bad stuff i experience. I’ve dug poo poo out by hand from busted heads, 18+ hour watches due bad manning, away from my family for 366 days in a row and done some of the most pointless cleaning or busy work just not at the same scale as you full time kiddos because it’s not interesting or notable.  I can smell the cpo dripping off this post like it's a coffee mug that hasn't been cleaned in 14 years
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MarcusSA posted:That and the fact it didn’t warrant a probation. A simple post of don’t do that would have been perfectly fine. Since you're new here, let me welcome you to the SomethingAwful Forums, where moderation is capricious at best, whimsical at worst, and impossible to distinguish between "arbitrary," "lazy," and "inscrutable." It's one of the defining features that literally any post can get a ban or a probe for any or no reason.
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:Since you're new here, let me welcome you to the SomethingAwful Forums, where moderation is capricious at best, whimsical at worst, and impossible to distinguish between "arbitrary," "lazy," and "inscrutable." It's one of the defining features that literally any post can get a ban or a probe for any or no reason. Also joke or semi joke 6ers are common, giving a 6er is like pushing your cat off the couch
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The reason that the subforum rules are generalized with heavy dependence upon mod or IK discretion is so that we can still probate people who play bullshit "I'm not touching you!" games. If I came up with a list of slurs that aren't ok to use here, someone would bend over backwards to find a Welsh-English slur that was used for 17 minutes in the 1930s to break the spirit of the rule while still abiding by the letter. As the warrior poet once said, "Homey don't play that." I've said before, if the rule boils down to "don't be an rear end in a top hat" and you're still arguing, then you're probably an rear end in a top hat. If a poster thinks they're unfairly probed they're free to PM me.
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Stop reading my evals. But seriously I’m very nervous about passing. I got a lot of poo poo on my plate right now.
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MarcusSA posted:That and the fact it didn’t warrant a probation. A simple post of don’t do that would have been perfectly fine. It's super cool and good that we all seem to be more worried about the honor and dignity of a Something Awful poster IYOOL 2023 instead of recognizing that jokes like that are a huge part of the reason men don't report sexual assault. But sure, go off king.
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So, uh, sorry if my post came off as minimizing sexual assault. And I understand the probe so please stop arguing about it because my dumb sixer isn't worth anyone's time to attack or defend. And here's an explanation that I hope doesn't make things worse. Yes I have been assaulted by men and women, not at fleet week but just in my life. Random drunk woman jamming her hand down my pants and grabbing my dick, some guy trying to tongue kiss me, that poo poo. But for me, and I was only speaking for me, if I was given a choice between cruising up to fleet week with a good chance of that poo poo happening and having to relive going from a yard period into an INSURV on a rusty poo poo rear end amphib with a psychotic CO, the latter has left more emotional scars than the former. gently caress the Navy and gently caress its abusive loving surface culture is what I'm saying. If that post was even worse, slap me another six and I'll never talk about it again. e: But either way please don't keep arguing over whether the previous post was probatable because that poo poo just drags down the forums.
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Crab Dad posted:Stop reading my evals. What does it mean for your future as a Navy Seaman if you don’t pass? Are you at an up or out stage in your career or is it “didn’t pass today, maybe next year” deal?
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