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Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Lmbo every time.

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Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Artie, you could have hair like fuckin' Casey Kasem.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Pope Corky the IX posted:

That's when Carmela just starts openly making GBS threads on Meadow to try and save face because she knows Artie and Charmaine are enjoying this.

"But does compassion come naturally to her? Patience?" Good lord.

Although Artie does another great gesture with picking at the side of his head when he calls Meadow the charmingly awkward 'intellectually curious.'

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




What's the scene where he brings his hands up to his sides and flaps them like tiny wings? I always get a kick out of that one.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Mike N Eich posted:

Artie Bucco is one of my favorite characters in the Sopranos because they never really include him in the serious mobster stuff, and they never really put his life or his family's life in jeopardy (though its something that he's always in danger of falling into), he's just a regular guy who's friends with a sociopathic mob leader. And he's got his own idiotic schemes and dreams, and his life is tragic in a way, but in a regular person, relatable way, like feeling emasculated or wanting to have an affair.

The last episode he really figures in he tries to really intertwine himself in the mobster stuff, and he gets smacked up for it and, as if God (David Simon) comes down from the heavens and tells him: no, you're a regular schmoe, and listen, your life aint that bad, go cook some food.

Yeah, he suffers a lot of collateral damage. I love the character and the actor, especially when he's trying to be a badass (shaking down the French guy) or a cool dude (hitting on Ade)

E

I was listening to the playlist they run at my job and thinking about how lovely the music was (mid 90's pop and boy bands) and for some reason thought about what makes a "hit" and "why was this ever popular". Then I thought of Hesh, Massive Genius and their terrific body language acting when Ade and Chris are trying to sell them on Visiting Day's demo.

Meow

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Feb 18, 2023

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Thank you, but I’ve recorded in Denmark.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I hate that headbanging poo poo.

MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Artie, you could have hair like fuckin' Casey Kasem.

Unfortunately it's more like Casey Jones

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
The guy that broke into Stew Leonard’s that one time, stole all those pork loins?

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Pope Corky the IX posted:

The guy that broke into Stew Leonard’s that one time, stole all those pork loins?

Yes, but it’s not about that

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

Mike N Eich posted:

The last episode he really figures in he tries to really intertwine himself in the mobster stuff, and he gets smacked up for it and, as if God (David Simon) comes down from the heavens and tells him: no, you're a regular schmoe, and listen, your life aint that bad, go cook some food.

*posing in front of mirror, rehearsing Tough Guy Routine*

“Oh, Jean-Phillipe. You’re home. I’ve called you five times… qu’est-ce que c’est? Answering machine broken?

Nice crib. What’s that, uhh… Berber carpet?

Those fuckin’ shoes you wear… what are they, designer?

You fuckin’ avoiding me, motherfuckah?! Where’s my money!

Ohh, what, are you gonna cry now?

Stand up, you frog-eatin’ faccia di cazz, I will gently caress YOU UP!”

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

And I love it actually ends with the guy opening the door to see Furio.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
Great episode. It’s the same one where AJ’s friends ask him why he lives in a normal house and not a walled compound with guards and all like in The Godfather, and then they go over to hang out with the corporate heiress who actually does live like that.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

i love paul dano nerding out over art and vinyl

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




and instructing AJ on how to slay pussy

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

I do find it difficult to believe AJ would recognize a Picasso.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

To be fair (well, cruel) to AJ, he probably identifies any even vaguely "weird" looking painting as a Picasso, and just happened to get it right that time!

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

banned from Starbucks posted:

What's the scene where he brings his hands up to his sides and flaps them like tiny wings? I always get a kick out of that one.

this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrgm0i2uU2U&t=13s

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swn1H1YgD7U

Love how Artie even acts out 'in a nutshell.'

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


MrMojok posted:

I do find it difficult to believe AJ would recognize a Picasso.

If he knows about lladro he would know about Picasso I guess

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Dawgstar posted:

And I love it actually ends with the guy opening the door to see Furio.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

you got a bee on your hat

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Owns

I forgot about the earlier scene where Artie's recently adorned earring comes back to bite him in the rear end during the fight. He's always undone by hubris.

Well, that at being adjacent to Tony loving Soprano.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Artie even does the chef’s kiss gesture in a hospital bed after his suicide attempt when he tries to explain how Tony saw the potential benefit of the deal going bad.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
Casino Chief: "sorry I'm late I had business in Manahattan"

Artie Bucco: "Oh, not again!?!"

Lmao

Pissed Ape Sexist
Apr 19, 2008

MokBa posted:

Unfortunately it's more like Casey Jones



That's drat clever

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
I remember reading that the mustache was an accident. Ventimiglia had grown it for another audition he had that week and Chase loved the look. I can’t imagine Artie without it.

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
Youtube random suggestions brought me to this video, which I thought was really good about how so many viewers get caught up in seeing the main protagonists of prestige dramas as idols to aspire to and not actual complexities, problems, insecurities, and fears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1_-HpVEFg

I'm trying to think back to anything specific in Sopranos that a lot of people really missed the mark on.

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

MrMojok posted:

Those fuckin’ shoes you wear… what are they, designer?

I love that he just says designer and not an actual brand of shoe. On one hand, it's probably his nervousness and insecurity while acting tough that prevents him from readily recalling one of the many well-known Italian brands, on the other he probably can't afford any so it would make sense that he's not familiar with them. In both senses it indicates that he really has no business playing in the big leagues of the gangster world and it's such a great little touch.

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Matt Zerella posted:

Casino Chief: "sorry I'm late I had business in Manahattan"

Artie Bucco: "Oh, not again!?!"

Lmao

God drat this show was so funny

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

Your Gay Uncle posted:

God drat this show was so funny

I love that Christopher is a comedic episode from the get-go and never lets up.

IIRC it was at least partly conceived in response to people protesting the inclusion of Lorraine Bracco and other Sopranos cast members in some Italian parade (not sure if it was in fact a previous year's Columbus Day) but it had me thinking maybe Dr. Krakauer's line about ethnic pride parades, which comes earlier, was a sideways dig from the writers about that particular incident.

I take his point to be the same as Tony's, which is that ethnicity alone is not the source of any of the good things people may be celebrating it for

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Futanari Damacy posted:

I love that he just says designer and not an actual brand of shoe. On one hand, it's probably his nervousness and insecurity while acting tough that prevents him from readily recalling one of the many well-known Italian brands, on the other he probably can't afford any so it would make sense that he's not familiar with them. In both senses it indicates that he really has no business playing in the big leagues of the gangster world and it's such a great little touch.

On the other hand, he laid a totally vicious beat down on Benny and spat on him to boot after he kicked his rear end, exhibiting all the tough guy macho poo poo he wanted to lay on his frog eating French designer shoe wearing con artist with the broken answering machine. Not sure where he left that part of him when he wanted to collect his money but Artie hosed Benny up proper.

Artie is a land of contrasts.

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

Love that on the fandom.com Sopranos wiki, Benny’s bio begins with “Benny Fazio (Criminal Mastermind) debuted in…”

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

pentyne posted:

Youtube random suggestions brought me to this video, which I thought was really good about how so many viewers get caught up in seeing the main protagonists of prestige dramas as idols to aspire to and not actual complexities, problems, insecurities, and fears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1_-HpVEFg

It absolutely blows my mind that anybody could watch that scene and have their takeaway be,"Hell yeah, Don totally owned that guy, what an Alpha!" but then apparently they managed to do that about almost anything related to Don!

As for The Sopranos, there were (and are still!) plenty of people I've seen online who talk glowingly about how various characters are "real men" or understand "honor and loyalty" despite being shown constantly to be self-serving pieces of poo poo who were constantly looking at how to exploit everybody else.

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Feb 19, 2023

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




***Anti WOKE Don Draper Owns liberal snowflake MUST WATCH!!***

Randallteal
May 7, 2006

The tears of time

pentyne posted:

I'm trying to think back to anything specific in Sopranos that a lot of people really missed the mark on.

From the Artie vid earlier

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

there’s comments that unironically praises Tony in a clip from when he intimidates one guest into taking his cap off in a restaurant. there’s absolutely people around that miss the point on multiple occasions with these shows

i’m also reminded of how goons used to live-post Breaking Bad back in the day.

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RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
One important and interesting difference between Breaking Bad and the Sopranos is the elevator pitch water cooler description of both shows.

Breaking Bad: A man with cancer turns to making crystal meth to help pay for his treatments and his family's future.
The Sopranos: Tony Soprano is a mob boss who also has begun seeing a therapist.

Like it's notable that the very surface level immediate description of the Sopranos already tells you that Tony is a monster, and indeed you would have to actually watch the show to find the few positive - or rather seemingly positive - traits he has. While the pitch for Breaking Bad paints Walt as a victim of a monstrous and broken system and you need to watch the show to learn that actually he was always a selfish and arrogant prick who was looking for an excuse.

EDIT: Point being that while I don't think you need very much media literacy, only a basic moral compass, to quickly realize both men are monsters, it's worth noting that Breaking Bad's premise predisposes you to sympathize with Walt while the Sopranos' predisposes you NOT to sympathize with Tony.
The Sopranos tells us up front and immediately that Tony Soprano is a murderous bastard. Breaking Bad in contrast tells us first that Walt is a sad and miserable man who has been victimized both by fate and the obscene joke that is the American healthcare system.

RoboChrist 9000 fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Feb 19, 2023

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