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Cromulent_Chill: Apr 6, 2009

mila kunis posted:

wearing nazi paraphernalia isn't the same as being a nazi. the real bad guys are the ones who invade other countries and do war crimes

Wearing nazi regalia, forming your nationalism around nazi collaborators, pogroms for the outgroups, literally hailing Hitler with the arm action actually does make you the nazis.

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# ? May 25, 2024 20:02

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Wearing nazi regalia, forming your nationalism around nazi collaborators, pogroms for the outgroups, literally hailing Hitler with the arm action actually does make you the nazis.

no but you see the nazi president is a jew, therefore

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:31

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Wearing nazi regalia, forming your nationalism around nazi collaborators, pogroms for the outgroups, literally hailing Hitler with the arm action actually does make you the nazis.

have they done actual pogroms though?

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:32

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

comedyblissoption posted:

https://twitter.com/CornwallLive/status/1611832421372116993

this name is entirely made up by NATO to scare its citizens. the real name he Sarmat 2, after the Sarmatians.

https://gulflink.health.mil/irfna/irfna_refs/n28en024/rass.htm

quote:

Russian Surface To Surface Systems

SS- 1a Scunner
SS- 1b & c Scud
SS- 2 Sibling
SS- 3 Shyster MRBM
SS- 4 Sandal MRBM
SS- 5 Skean IRBM
SS- 6 Sapwood ICBM
SS- 7 Saddler ICBM
SS- 8 Sasin ICBM
SS- 9 Scrap ICBM
SS- 12 Scaleboard MRBM
SS- 13 Savage ICBM
SS- 14 Scapegoat
SS- 15 Scrooge MRBM
SS- 16 Sinner ICBM
SS- 17 Spanker ICBM
SS- 18 Satan ICBM
SS- 19 Stilleto ICBM
SS- 20 Saber IRBM
SS- 21 Scarab
SS- 22 Scaleboard
SS- 23 Spider SRBM
SS- 24 Scapel ICBM
SS- 25 Sickle ICBM

also Ukraine made it
https://www.military-today.com/missiles/rs28_sarmat.htm

quote:

The RS-28 Sarmat is a new Russian silo-based Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM). It was designed as a successor to the Soviet R-36M (Western reporting name SS-18 or Satan). Development of the RS-28 commenced in 2009. Russians were developing an improved version of the R-36M. Interestingly the R-36M (Satan) was originally developed and produced in Ukraine. Ukrainians supplied parts and assisted in servicing of these missiles. After the 2014 anexion of Crimea and military action in Ukraine, this became a problem. Ukrainians were no longer servicing these missiles, while Russian design bureaus were not familiar with the R-36M. So it was increasingly important for Russians to develop a replacement for this Soviet-era missile, that was approaching the end of its service life.

The RS-28 Sarmat is an evolution of the R-36M, rather than a completely new design. It has many design features of the R-36M, but uses more advanced materials and technologies in its construction. The new missile uses upgraded electronics, guidance systems, countermeasures, and reportedly has more warhead options. Though it uses the same engines as the R-36M. It is believed that many elements of this missile were recreated from to the R-36M blueprints. Also some of the Ukrainian specialists who worked on the R-36M transferred to Russian enterprises and their expertise was considered developing the new missile. The RS-28 is known in the West as SS-X-30, or Satan 2. First image of this missile was declassified in 2016. It made its first flight in 2020. It was announced that this missile will be deployed in 2022 and will completely replace in service all surviving R-36M missiles. Some sources report that so far Russian MoD ordered 50 of these missiles. Once operational the RS-28 Sarmat will become one of the most powerful ICBM in the world. In 2022 a Sarmat missile made its first test flight, which was successful. This could be an indication soon this missile will be ready for deployment. Though by that time this test missile that was launched was the only Sarmat missile in Russia's inventory. So it could take a couple of years when this missile will be fielded in substantial numbers. Once in service it will become the heaviest ICBM in the world. In terms of range and payload it is superior to the US Trident II.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:33

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

mila kunis posted:

wearing nazi paraphernalia isn't the same as being a nazi. the real bad guys are the ones who invade other countries and do war crimes

think you've played your hand a bit here

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:33

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Azov is just doing a very long, gonzo style version of The Producers, you see.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:34

Cromulent_Chill: Apr 6, 2009

mila kunis posted:

have they done actual pogroms though?

Of loving course they have. Are you just feeling around in the dark for reality?

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:34

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Regarde Aduck posted:

think you've played your hand a bit here

i believe azov battalion to be nazis. i was just responding to FF's question about what people say to explain them away

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:35

Bear Retrieval Unit: Nov 5, 2009; Mudslide Experiment

Frosted Flake posted:

lol so what is the official lib line on Azov? It doesn’t exist? It exists but is small and marginal? It is large and powerful but apolitical?

they're simply very proud of their heritage and love their country. those symbols have other meanings.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:36

icantfindaname: Jul 1, 2008

Frosted Flake posted:

lol so what is the official lib line on Azov? It doesn�t exist? It exists but is small and marginal? It is large and powerful but apolitical?

All of the above according to context/if you're even asking the question you're a Russian stooge

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:38

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

mila kunis posted:

have they done actual pogroms though?

yes you idiot

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:45

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

heritage not hate

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:46

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Even western media weren�t blind to it before the war started and the order went out to sanitise the reputations of our �allies�

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-rights-roma-idUSKCN1C01RN

quote:

There are between 120,000 and 400,000 Roma in Ukraine who face poverty and discrimination, with limited access to justice and their property rights barely protected, according to the European Roma Rights Centre.

In the year since the Odessa riot, there have been at least eight mass attacks on Roma, in the metropolitan regions of Kiev, Kharkov and Lviv as well as the rural areas of Transcarpathi and Chernigov, said Kondur.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:49

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

mila kunis posted:

have they done actual pogroms though?

insane man, so many hits with such little bait @_@

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:51

Cromulent_Chill: Apr 6, 2009

Endman posted:

Even western media weren’t blind to it before the war started and the order went out to sanitise the reputations of our “allies”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-rights-roma-idUSKCN1C01RN

I was going to link an article for Mein Kunis but there were so many results I just lol'd and didn't bother.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:52

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

ok but maybe the roma had it coming ??

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:54

Starsfan: Sep 29, 2007; This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

OctaMurk posted:

ok but maybe the roma had it coming ??

when Ukraine finally wins this war alot is going to come out about how the Roma acted as spies and collaborators for the Russians, and buddy let me tell you there's going to be a reckoning

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:57

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

The way that reporting has completely reversed course since 2014 is pretty astonishing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2014/05/19/why-everything-youve-read-about-ukraine-is-wrong/?sh=59ebc8a9510e

quote:

Western Ukraine is unified in its hostility toward Russians, whom they see as invaders and occupiers. During the last 20 years, as Ukraine tried to distance itself from its Soviet past and its ideology, it chose the nationalism of western Ukraine as the alternative. A necessary correction, perhaps, but the one that has generated its own dangerous myths. Easterners are angry that pro-Bandera banners, posters and graffiti are popping up all over Ukraine and with the rewriting of history in general, where violent nationalists who fought alongside the Nazis are treated as heroes while Russians, who suffered under Stalin no less than the Ukrainians, are denigrated. Following the exile of President Victor Yanukovich and Russia�s annexation of Crimea, Ukrainian nationalist rhetoric has become downright offensive and hysterical, ostracizing further the people in the east. The escalating violence will continue to radicalize both sides, so instead of finding a democratically acceptable solution they will resort to baseball bats and AK 47s.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 22:59

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

OctaMurk posted:

ok but maybe the roma had it coming ??

Brave azov fighter said that roma girl stole from a market so she deserves to be tied to a street pole.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:02

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

It's almost as if this war is a direct result of stoking far-right nationalism in Western Ukraine to the point where they began outright attacking the majority Russian-speaking parts of the country, pushing them straight into the arms of Moscow.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:04

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1626618558317985792

No Nazi faction too obscure for Ukraine

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:07

Ferdinand Bardamu: Apr 30, 2013

Throatwarbler posted:

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1626618558317985792

No Nazi faction too obscure for Ukraine

Mio dio!

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:11

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Pedantically - "They aren't necessarily mercenaries maybe they arrived there under their own volition. Also just because they rep fascist patches doesnt mean they themselves are fascists. Also that hand salute was originally the roman salute, and they are italian. Heritage not hate."

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:13

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

that mig monument in the background is boss

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:15

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

sad I missed the heavy metal page

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:19

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

Al Saqr : Palpatine
mila kunis : Snoke

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/annamrchnk/status/1625280325864820736

THEE Ukraine

I'm willing to go with not saying "the Ukraine" because that's actually a reasonable complaint

But the "Kiev/Kyiv" stuff just suddenly popped up in the last few years and comes off as extremely disingenuous.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:28

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

Delta-Wye posted:

that mig monument in the background is boss

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:37

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Endman posted:

The way that reporting has completely reversed course since 2014 is pretty astonishing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2014/05/19/why-everything-youve-read-about-ukraine-is-wrong/?sh=59ebc8a9510e

lol I could have saved myself a dozen books on Galicia to make this argument if I knew Forbes just openly said it

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:38

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Endman posted:

The way that reporting has completely reversed course since 2014 is pretty astonishing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2014/05/19/why-everything-youve-read-about-ukraine-is-wrong/?sh=59ebc8a9510e

The only mistake in that paragraph is that they resorted to ak47s and artillery, not baseball bats.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:43

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Frosted Flake posted:

lol I could have saved myself a dozen books on Galicia to make this argument if I knew Forbes just openly said it

it's an amazing demonstration of the NATO (and the west generally) propaganda machine, for the few journalists and academics that can keep their wits about them and act objectively.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:45

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

they have some really creative icons in Ukraine 👍

Типовий Кременець in 2017 on Facebook:

quote:

Temple of the Holy Transfiguration of the Lord. Kremenets.

The Orthodox Church from the time of the baptism of Russia-Ukraine is an integral part of the Ukrainian people. In the periods of ascension in her environment actively developed art, writing, medicine... And in times of distress, spiritual leaders helped the people survive the turmoil, gave people hope for a bright future, as an example pointing to the suffering and Resurrection of Christ, often took an active part in the struggle against enslaves, strengthening the brethren with their courage, participation-presence, the word of God and the word of discord.

The influence of the people and the Church has always been mutual. Society was under the custody of sv� цтennoslu�itel�v, and religious art displayed events from the lives of the people. There are many examples, but here are just some of them: spreading the reverence of the saint. Yuri the Winner (icons, temples) in the times of Mongolian and Moscow (theologian, long-handed) devastating raids on Kiev Rus, construction in such periods of temples-fortress, spreading respect to the svt. Nicholas the Wonderworker at the time of the development of shipwreck, the background of icons often served the landscapes of the Ukrainian villages, writing icons of the Intercession of the Virgin with images of cossacks and hetmans... This list could go on for a long time.

In Muscovy, it was considered a temptation even when the painters unequally drew biblical plots. The order of the Moscow Roof Cathedral was followed there. : "From your imagination to change nothing... ". Albums with icons were laid and only they could be depicted in churches. Such icons were considered canonical, everything else is heresy.

After Ukraine was set ablaze by Muscovy, authentic ancient Ukrainian church paintings, books and architectural monuments were largely destroyed, imposing foreign traditions. The wings of creativity in church art have been clipped.

However, now that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church has become independent again (Kyiv Patriarchate), the first vapors of that grain, which everyone thought it had already gone, and it resurrects with Christ!

The icon in the Holy Transfiguration Cathedral of the city. Kremenc�, which is dedicated to the events of the Maidan and the Ukrainian Liberation War (ATO), can be considered one of such young shoots. We don't claim to be perfection, but even more imperfection. This is an attempt to restore the ancient traditions of Ukrainian Orthodoxy. Please note that work on the icon is still in progress. Especially to you honourable abbot fathers,you have a great opportunity to do better by expressing all your theological views on your temples wall paintings.

## The meaning of an icon
In the wall painting of our cathedral, we sought to reflect a turning point in the modern history of the Ukrainian nation: Maidan (Revolution of dignity) and ATO (Ukrainian Liberation War). To give these events some theological insight and highlight a nurturing moment for present and future generations.

The symbol of the unbreakable spirit, the rise of the people to the status of the nation during the Revolution of dignity on the Kiev Maidan became the Independence Monument (stella). Among the many Maidan�vc�v depicted on the icon - Heroes of Heavenly Hundred and national images. In particular, such are the people in the first row: a man with a wooden shield, a volunteer girl and a journalist. That's the patriots Maidan stood and won.

Another symbol that personifies the invincibility of the Ukrainian army is the Donetsk airfield tower with the Ukrainian flag on top of it. About these events says the saying: "Cyborgs endured, did not withstand concrete". An example of combat trains became those who died in battle with glory and honor. They became an example to others. They fulfilled the commandment of Christ: "there is no greater love when who soul his puts for friends of their". The most famous of them are depicted on the icon. And in the front row - national insults: Ukrainian soldier in full combat equipment, military doctor and military priest-chaplain. Next to the blue and yellow flags of the Ukrainian state, red and black flags, flags of the struggle for the independence of the Ukrainian people.

The depicted events of Maidan and ATO are not their own icons, they form as if the background of icons, serve as its meaningful design.

This design is complemented by two angels placed in the upper corners of the icon. Archangel Michael, warrior, archistratig, leader of the heavenly armies, patron saint of Kiev, Ukraine and the Ukrainian army. As well as Archangel Rafael, the patron saint of doctors and volunteers.

In the thickness of the niche, in the form of a geraldic painting (ornament), depicts the emblems of the genus of the Ukrainian army and volunteer battalions. Because they are not visible from the position of the camera, these symbols were placed on the right and left sides of the icon in the photo.

The main attention, when looking at the icon, is concentrated on the central plot, the struggle of the Great Martyr Yuri with the devil. The feature of this icon is that a demon is depicted in the form of a two-headed eagle, which Yuri the Winner permeates with his spear, crowned with a blue-yellow ribbon.

The Ukrainian Liberation War is the same vizolno Украї, not the zagarbnicʹko є, so the vizolʹnu struggle is blessed by the Lord. He is depicted in the form of God-Father "Old (Old) Days" with the biblical inscription "Holy, holy, holy Lord Savaof". Savaof is one of the names of God which means "God of heaven," "God of armies". God-Son symbolizes the cross, in this particular case the cross in the form of the general military emblem of the Ukrainian Land Forces. God-the Holy Spirit is in the form of a pigeon framed by a trident.
Above Maidan and ato on conditional tapes depicted verbal generalization of the meaning of the icon: "God is with us. Ukraine is behind us ".

The size of the icon is 70 m. square Icon painter Vasyl Stetsko.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:53

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

i hail from kiev, in the ukraine

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:56

redneck nazgul: Apr 25, 2013

Al! posted:

i hail from kiev, in the ukraine

make like the ghost of kiev and stop existing

# ? Feb 17, 2023 23:58

CongoJack: Nov 5, 2009; Ask Why, Asshole

lots of people asking questions about my title, �The winner,� that are already answered by my title.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 00:03

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

mila kunis posted:

have they done actual pogroms though?

No, not if you define a pogrom as illegal violence directed against an ethnic or religous group with the aim of massacring or expelling them. Because a Ukrainian court found this sort of thing to be direct democracy and therefore perfectly legal. That's how democratic Ukraine is.

https://khpg.org/en/1608809962

Nice trolling but I will take any chance to post this link.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 00:13

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

maaan, the next general elections here in portugal will be fun what with how much poo poo the leftist parties are eating over ukraine talking points with the libs and the current center-left goverment just letting thins burn

# ? Feb 18, 2023 00:15

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Wasn't Portugal admitted to NATO while still a military dictatorship, and because NATO wanted to use the Azores, so they showed up to Lisbon with several warships to negotiate?

e: According to nato.int, this seems to be more accurate than I thought, though they put a nice spin on it

# ? Feb 18, 2023 00:18

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Frosted Flake posted:

Wasn't Portugal admitted to NATO while still a military dictatorship, and because NATO wanted to use the Azores, and so showed up to Lisbon with several warships to negotiate?

e: According to nato.int, this seems to be more accurate than I thought, though they put a nice spin on it

Portugal is a wide country!

# ? Feb 18, 2023 00:19

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViOSPw-fE1Y

I want them to make a video like this about Ukraine please.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 00:19

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# ? May 25, 2024 20:02

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

Frosted Flake posted:

Wasn't Portugal admitted to NATO while still a military dictatorship, and because NATO wanted to use the Azores, so they showed up to Lisbon with several warships to negotiate?

e: According to nato.int, this seems to be more accurate than I thought, though they put a nice spin on it

look we didnt even had access to fertilizers up until the 50s, please be nice to us

# ? Feb 18, 2023 00:22

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