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Big Grunty Secret posted:You want Memento posts? The part in the middle where he asks his wife about her book "Haven't you read that before? Why does it matter if you know how it ends?" "I'm enjoying what's happening in the story" is a microcosm for the plot. Incredible. I didn't notice that. I'm wondering if there's any significance to the moment where the black and white turns to colour. It's right when he's waving the polaroid of Jimmy around.
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credburn posted:I still think this is Christopher Nolan's best work. No. There's been a terminator vs robocop, robocop vs predator, and aliens vs predator vs terminator, but never all four
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Mortal Kombat X had Alien and Predator. Mortal Kombat 11 had Terminator and RoboCop. Maybe Mortal Kombat 12 will have all four.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The other thing you need to remember about the original Alien is that it's a 1970s movie and the genres went through quite a lot of development and change in the following decades Genre is a funny thing, and especially the way Hollywood treats it. Alien definitely wrote the book for sci-fi horror in that department, but it's not like horror and mystery in a closed, claustrophobic environment is new or hard to figure out. Also something to be said for how disaster movies, including kaiju movies, often play out a lot like horror movies, with the build-up, suspense and gradual escalation. Also means that you spend a lot less time on expensive and difficult special effects. Reminded of how the mechanical shark for Jaws was a clunker, so to fill the runtime they expanded the plot and shot more dialogue, giving the movie its texture, and focused more on the build-up and presence of the shark, giving the movie its trademark creeping terror and working with that famous theme music.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Reminded of how the mechanical shark for Jaws was a clunker, so to fill the runtime they expanded the plot and shot more dialogue, giving the movie its texture, and focused more on the build-up and presence of the shark, giving the movie its trademark creeping terror and working with that famous theme music. Also, introducing the barrels as a stand in for it.
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Cat Hatter posted:Oh no, Aliens is perfect (both the theatrical and director's cut depending on your mood) and I wouldn't change anything about it. Saying its barely an action movie isn't meant as any more of a slight than saying Citizen Kane isn't an action movie. I guess where I was coming from with my reaction is that I know contemporary reviews of Aliens, particularly Ebert's, made a point of highlighting how intense the second half of the movie is, which does not sound to me like "barely" an anything. And I wondered if you were describing it as such with nearly four decades of more and more actiony, violent movies between then and now coloring your views. Like, I'm pretty sure that the Ebert who described Aliens as The Thumb Guy posted:"absolutely, painfully and unremittingly intense for at least its last hour" would have had a coronary trying to watch John Wick, but a reviewer used to modern action coming to Aliens fresh might find it slow and cliched (never mind that it invented or popularized those cliches)
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Phy posted:I guess where I was coming from with my reaction is that I know contemporary reviews of Aliens, particularly Ebert's, made a point of highlighting how intense the second half of the movie is, which does not sound to me like "barely" an anything. And I wondered if you were describing it as such with nearly four decades of more and more actiony, violent movies between then and now coloring your views. John Wick has more action than Aliens but it’s not nearly as intense. They’re movies about watching a dude do cool moves to defeat increasingly cartoonish villains. Aliens is about a bunch of people getting torn apart my monsters.
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credburn posted:I still think this is Christopher Nolan's best work. Only the first three, but Terminator vs Robocop has a crossover also. You could also tie in the DCU both officially and unofficially since, I think, Wildstorm has become canon to what used to be called Earth 1.
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credburn posted:I still think this is Christopher Nolan's best work. absolutely everything else is like 50% at best also just perfectly casted Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 18:14 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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Speaking of James Cameron, I'm not sure if it strictly qualifies for this thread (PYF Subtle Director Trademarks) but he tends to make movies that have an ending, but then everything ramps up for the real ending. Terminator: Gas tanker explodes, Terminator burns to death... but then his life bar refills and we begin a more intense chase. Aliens: They escape the queen and the whole complex gets nuked... oh poo poo! The queen just ripped Bishop in half! "Get away from her you bitch!" The Abyss: Psychotic navy seal is crushed following a submarine chase. Bud gets back with his wife following the most realistic depiction of drowning I've seen on film... Aliens! Terminator 2: Liquid nitrogen freezes the T-1000 and he's shattered into a thousand pieces... until he reforms and chases our heroes around a steel mill. True Lies: Arnold on a helicopter yanks his wife out of a car mid crash and with their relationship repaired they share a kiss while a nuke goes off in the background..."Terrorists have kidnapped your daughter! Are you a bad enough dude to rescue your daughter?" Titanic doesn't really have one unless you count the framing device. Avatar maybe if you end it during the aftermath of their home being destroyed. Would make for a depressing movie though.
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Once Chris Nolan got big budgets it all started going downhill.
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It's frustrating because Nolan has the drive and means to make incredible set pieces. But his misguided auteurism constantly kneecaps his newer work. Tenet could've been an amazing bond alike if someone had had the ability to rein him in. Instead it's a barely audible mess of a movie. It all doesn't bother me so much except when he fucks with actual cinema, he had a self edited cut of 2001 that Leo Vitali basically had to apologize for allowing to be screened; Nolan's absolute hubris at assuming he is even worthy of so much as touching a frame of Kubrick's work is revolting.
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Cat Hatter posted:Speaking of James Cameron, I'm not sure if it strictly qualifies for this thread (PYF Subtle Director Trademarks) but he tends to make movies that have an ending, but then everything ramps up for the real ending. so you're saying Peter Jackson did an homage to Cameron by ending lotr five times
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Carthag Tuek posted:so you're saying Peter Jackson did an homage to Cameron by ending lotr five times No, he spat on Tolkien's grave by only ending it five times instead of seven!
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Gaius Marius posted:It's frustrating because Nolan has the drive and means to make incredible set pieces. But his misguided auteurism constantly kneecaps his newer work. Tenet could've been an amazing bond alike if someone had had the ability to rein him in. Instead it's a barely audible mess of a movie. It all doesn't bother me so much except when he fucks with actual cinema, he had a self edited cut of 2001 that Leo Vitali basically had to apologize for allowing to be screened; Nolan's absolute hubris at assuming he is even worthy of so much as touching a frame of Kubrick's work is revolting. Similarly, Dunkirk fell far short of its potential for much the same reasons. So he doesn't like to use CGI and prefers to shoot things in-camera, fair enough. But if you're trying to make a film about a historical event whose entire point was that it was one of the absolutely most gargantuan maritime evacuations in history, something's gotta give. Either you somehow manage to rustle up enough extras to at least begin to convey the scale, or you use available tools to fake it. Or you pull a Nolan and end up making the whole thing look like a lazy Thursday afternoon in a tourist town during off-season. No amount of (admittedly cool) real Spitfires can make up for that.
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Kantesu posted:No, he spat on Tolkien's grave by only ending it five times instead of seven! fair
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Yeah scouring the shire would have been like another 20-30 minutes after the movie ended.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Yeah scouring the shire would have been like another 20-30 minutes after the movie ended. Scouring the Shire would have been three more movies if Peter Jackson felt he could have swung it
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Baron von Eevl posted:Yeah scouring the shire would have been like another 20-30 minutes after the movie ended. I feel like there was enough stuff he added that there would have been time if he hadn't. Maybe combined over three movies, idk. It should have been there or at least filmed for the DVD.
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I know they omitted the scouring of the shire but I do remember a brief scene (maybe when they used the orb?) of the shire on fire in one of the movies. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Milo and POTUS posted:I know they omitted the scouring of the shire but I do remember a brief scene (maybe when they used the orb?) of the shire on fire in one of the movies. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I do. I think it was Saruman or palantir related, but I could be wrong.
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Perestroika posted:Similarly, Dunkirk fell far short of its potential for much the same reasons. So he doesn't like to use CGI and prefers to shoot things in-camera, fair enough. But if you're trying to make a film about a historical event whose entire point was that it was one of the absolutely most gargantuan maritime evacuations in history, something's gotta give. Either you somehow manage to rustle up enough extras to at least begin to convey the scale, or you use available tools to fake it. Or you pull a Nolan and end up making the whole thing look like a lazy Thursday afternoon in a tourist town during off-season. No amount of (admittedly cool) real Spitfires can make up for that. Maximum of two spitfires. And one maybe two Royal Navy ships. And maybe 15 little ships. Oh boy. Impressive. God that was dissapointing.
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Milo and POTUS posted:I know they omitted the scouring of the shire but I do remember a brief scene (maybe when they used the orb?) of the shire on fire in one of the movies. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? It was that elf queen showing Frodo a vision in a bowl of water in the first film. Right before she went all spooky ghost mode.
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pro tip: if you only watch the movie once since 1998 or 2004 it doesn't matter if it sucjs
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IUG posted:It was that elf queen showing Frodo a vision in a bowl of water in the first film. Right before she went all spooky ghost mode. I will be that Goon. Her loving name is Galadriel. rear end.
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:I will be that Goon. Married to Celeborn, also known as Teleporno 
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Roblo posted:Maximum of two spitfires. And one maybe two Royal Navy ships. And maybe 15 little ships. Having found out about the 2001 bullshit, someone should do a fan edit with thousands of ships and 400000 dudes on the beach.
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Biplane posted:Teleporno I've seen those in some hotels,
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:I will be that Goon. What's her regular name?
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:I will be that Goon. This is weirdly aggro about something very stupid.
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MokBa posted:This is weirdly aggro about something very stupid.
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New thread title, subforum name, official site motto and url
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MokBa posted:This is weirdly aggro about something very stupid. It's a joke, calm down. I SAID CALM DOWN!!!!
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old bean factory posted:It's a joke, calm down. 
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The 8 min oner in Atonement did Dunkirk a million times better than that hack Nolan https://youtu.be/tpadPP9c-sE
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Roblo posted:Maximum of two spitfires. And one maybe two Royal Navy ships. And maybe 15 little ships. Maybe 10 French soldiers too. I don't remember a single thing from the movie other than British people queuing and I think there was a sinking boat and a plane.
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I like how in T2, the Conner's dog is losing his poo poo during Robert Patrick's door to door visit and also later when he takes John's foster mother's form during the phone call (Wolfie), which is a nice callback to the original movie when Kyle Reese mentions that they used dogs to sniff out terminators. For some reason, though, later on at the militia camp, none of the dogs there alert to Arnold's presence at all and are all quite calm.
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Arnold's character has a soul. Really though I think it's an oversight people have tried to explain as dogs needing to be trained to detect terminators, but that doesn't explain the motel dog from the first movie (at least I think it barked. I just remember Reese presenting for inspection and then petting it  ) or the Pomeranian(?) in someone's yard.If I had to try and explain it, I'd say the compound dogs were specially trained not to bark at randos.
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