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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Why is the interior of the Titan so loving dark I do wonder if this has to do with the fact that their screens are like, projected. I think there was a picture earlier in the thread.
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DaveKap posted:I had to nod in affirmation when Picard's security code included the number 47. For those who never knew, that was an easter egg number throughout TNG/DS9/Voyager. (I only add this It's kind of hilarious though and it's another "reference ignoring context" thing because the code he uses in this episode, "Picard-4-7-Alpha-Tango" is his authorization code for the Enterprise-E's self destruct system in First Contact. Again, it plays into the whole "Picard is a serial killer" thing that he set the unlock code to his phone to be the same code that he uses to blow up the loving Enterprise and kill everyone. The man lusts for death. External Organs posted:I do wonder if this has to do with the fact that their screens are like, projected. I think there was a picture earlier in the thread. That doesn't explain why all the rooms and hallways that aren't the bridge are dark as poo poo though. I don't think there was a single scene in that episode that had anything approaching normal lighting.
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Feb 18, 2023 00:27
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I wonder if the portal weapon is going to turn out to be reverse engineered from the Iconian gateways or if thats giving the writers too much credit.
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Mylan posted:I wonder if the portal weapon is going to turn out to be reverse engineered from the Iconian gateways or if thats giving the writers too much credit. Any cool or interesting things that happen in this show are purely accidental or the result of too much inference, so take whatever you're expecting and try to think of what's the dumbest possible version of it and that will be the real answer to the mystery. The portal gun was something that was made by some white-coat at Daystrom trying to create a better flavor of ice cream and didn't work so it was shelved. The man then killed himself out of shame, so they named the device in his honor after they crated it up, because this is Spite Trek. It is the Alfred C. Rosenberg Better Ice Creaminator and it can accidentally destroy planets.
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Feb 18, 2023 00:32
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I actually didn't mind the dickhead captain, character-wise. Conceivable that there are a bunch of officers in starfleet like that
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Feb 18, 2023 00:44
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stuart scott posted:I actually didn't mind the dickhead captain, character-wise. Conceivable that there are a bunch of officers in starfleet like that Admirals have to come from somewhere.
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Feb 18, 2023 00:49
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stuart scott posted:I actually didn't mind the dickhead captain, character-wise. Conceivable that there are a bunch of officers in starfleet like that Every one of Shaw's responses to the nonsense going on around him was completely reasonable. Shaw goes to my second-favorite Trek CO behind Jellicoe.
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Feb 18, 2023 00:57
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I did groan when he was going off on Riker about being a freewheeling jazz man while he is all about order and meter or some poo poo while they've got him listening to loving Chopin of all things. Little moments like that really show that they've completely ignored all of Picard's character. TNG, Picard would have interjected in Riker's defence as a classical music buff and put the poo poo head in his place. Anyway, episode was crap. Please no more scenes of Raffi arguing with an empty room.
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Feb 18, 2023 00:58
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Timby posted:Explain Insurrection, then. He already did.. while drunk with Marina.
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Feb 18, 2023 01:00
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nine-gear crow posted:It's kind of hilarious though and it's another "reference ignoring context" thing because the code he uses in this episode, "Picard-4-7-Alpha-Tango" is his authorization code for the Enterprise-E's self destruct system in First Contact. In fairness, you probably don't wanna forget the 'blow up the drat ship' code in a stressful situation, so making it one you definitely remember makes sense. (Plus I never thought that the self-destruct was a separate password, just their normal one but requiring the two person confirmation)
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Feb 18, 2023 01:04
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DaveKap posted:The end credits just full on blasting the TNG song is nice at first and then you realize they aren't trying to remix it at all, they just sorta crashed their original score car into it and called it a day. Yeah, that was a big ol' clang
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Feb 18, 2023 01:06
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Gaz-L posted:In fairness, you probably don't wanna forget the 'blow up the drat ship' code in a stressful situation, so making it one you definitely remember makes sense. (Plus I never thought that the self-destruct was a separate password, just their normal one but requiring the two person confirmation) It might have been the same password with two people confirming it, but I'm not going to knock one of the few good changes the writers made. Not that I'm watching season three of Picard until it finishes. I'm not letting Paramount toy with me until season five of Discovery airs.
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Feb 18, 2023 01:11
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Authorization Picard-St4rfl33t@359!!
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nine-gear crow posted:It's kind of hilarious though and it's another "reference ignoring context" thing because the code he uses in this episode, "Picard-4-7-Alpha-Tango" is his authorization code for the Enterprise-E's self destruct system in First Contact. Didn't he use the same code to answer the admiral's message at the beginning of the movie Dude just likes his code
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Gaz-L posted:In fairness, you probably don't wanna forget the 'blow up the drat ship' code in a stressful situation, so making it one you definitely remember makes sense. (Plus I never thought that the self-destruct was a separate password, just their normal one but requiring the two person confirmation) I thought it was that too, but I checked Memory Alpha before writing that and Picard has like at least 3 different authorization codes he uses in completely different circumstances, so either he rotates it frequently, or it's the dedicated "blow up the drat ship" code, which Matalas turned into the "Hey Siri, read me my text messages" code too because nOsTaLgIa! Delsaber posted:Didn't he use the same code to answer the admiral's message at the beginning of the movie I think you might be right, that might just be his code in First Contact. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Feb 18, 2023 |
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Feb 18, 2023 01:21
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Its funny though that the self destruct code is WAAAAY less complicated than the one to lock command functions to the bridge, as seen in that one time data mimicked picard's voice to hijack the ship. No loving way a reasonable person is expected to memorize a paragraph of numbers and phonetic alphabet words for use in an emergency situation that woukd normally call for it.
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Feb 18, 2023 01:25
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TerminalRaptor posted:That makes almost less sense. She's gives him a code word for something he wasn't even around for? If she hasn't been in contact with anyone for 20 years, she won't even know who he can ask about it. Her plan required a 20+year old commbadge to be on, somewhere where Picard could hear it, him giving a poo poo, him going specifically to an Enterprise-D crewmate to ask what the gently caress, him getting a ship to go to the mysterious coordinates and do all of it without trusting Starfleet (which is technically everyone who would know about the hellbird poo poo) It's that same lovely writing but with more guest stars you like!
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Mylan posted:Its funny though that the self destruct code is WAAAAY less complicated than the one to lock command functions to the bridge, as seen in that one time data mimicked picard's voice to hijack the ship. No loving way a reasonable person is expected to memorize a paragraph of numbers and phonetic alphabet words for use in an emergency situation that woukd normally call for it. This is why I actually like that Picard's duress code for the Stargazer self destruct was just "Picard-000-Destruct-0", just something you can say really fast with an automatic "blow the ship up literally right now" function to it.
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nine-gear crow posted:This is why I actually like that Picard's duress code for the Stargazer self destruct was just "Picard-000-Destruct-0", just something you can say really fast with an automatic "blow the ship up literally right now" function to it. That's the same reason the US nuclear codes are something like '0000' or '1234'.
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Technowolf posted:That's the same reason the US nuclear codes are something like '0000' or '1234'. That's the same combination as my luggage
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Feb 18, 2023 01:46
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After watching the ending credits lovingly pan over a bunch of LCARS displays while playing the TNG theme, I'm actually a little worried that they might have gotten rid of the opening credits theme from S1/2. Season 1's was absolutely fantastic, and Season 2's was a pretty decent darker take on it. If Matalas has ditched it in favor of just rehashing the TNG theme wholesale, I think it will be a pretty damning indicator of the kind of show I fear this is going to be: shameless nostalgia baiting that cares nothing at all about anything other than reminding you of the highlights of TNG.
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Feb 18, 2023 01:49
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nine-gear crow posted:That doesn't explain why all the rooms and hallways that aren't the bridge are dark as poo poo though. I don't think there was a single scene in that episode that had anything approaching normal lighting.
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blastron posted:After watching the ending credits lovingly pan over a bunch of LCARS displays while playing the TNG theme, I'm actually a little worried that they might have gotten rid of the opening credits theme from S1/2. Season 1's was absolutely fantastic, and Season 2's was a pretty decent darker take on it. If Matalas has ditched it in favor of just rehashing the TNG theme wholesale, I think it will be a pretty damning indicator of the kind of show I fear this is going to be: shameless nostalgia baiting that cares nothing at all about anything other than reminding you of the highlights of TNG. I think you're being unfair. It's not going to remind anyone of the highlights of TNG either.
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What's annoying about it is you can do dark and well lit at the same time. The lighting in ships in The Expanse was not remotely TNG bright but it looked great and had plenty of detail. I never remember thinking things were poorly lit in that show. At least they figured out how to light the exteriors so we can see the ships. The space shots in that episode were all gorgeous.
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stuart scott posted:I actually didn't mind the dickhead captain, character-wise. Conceivable that there are a bunch of officers in starfleet like that Jellico was a more hard-rear end 'by the book' type captain, but he wasn't anything like this
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Grand Fromage posted:What's annoying about it is you can do dark and well lit at the same time. The lighting in ships in The Expanse was not remotely TNG bright but it looked great and had plenty of detail. I never remember thinking things were poorly lit in that show. Battlestar Galactica pulled that off real well too. Galactica was a dark and miserable place to be most of the time but it didn't look like the shadows were going to just swallow Adama and Starbuck at any given moment like they do on Picard.
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Me, when they go to the normally-lit Enterprise-D bridge at the of the season after spending 9 and a half hours in pitch darkness:
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Feb 18, 2023 02:07
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It's a massive difference if you compare the Titan bridge to the Stargazer bridge from last season
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Also the logic about them having to keep it dark so the rear projectors will work is bullshit because here's the Stargazer version of the bridge set at full lighting and you can see everything just fine Hell, here's a screenshot from Season 2 in its on screen lighting configuration.  And that looks perfectly fine in comparison to the Titan bridge. The darkness is a stylistic choice. A lovely one.
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Anyway, Mack and Rick are back to talk about Mr. Pickerd's Wild Ride some more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh8iaLhUVxI
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nine-gear crow posted:Also the logic about them having to keep it dark so the rear projectors will work is bullshit because here's the Stargazer version of the bridge set at full lighting and you can see everything just fine Jesus christ that’s just way too much loving lighting, period. Every single edge has some kind of LED.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I guess I'm in the minority, but I felt like they went too over the top with him. Like he's never not antagonistic to everyone around him. I get that he's suspicious of what Riker and Picard are doing, but rather than confront them directly it's a lot of passive-aggressive mind games Better writers would have written him with nuance, accomplished the same ends, and I wouldn't have been made to feel as stupid along the way. Shaw doesn't show up to greet an Admiral coming aboard for a surprise inspection? Okay, sure... I suppose he's busy... Shaw can't be bothered to be on the bridge while his ship is clearing moorings and leaving space dock? Uh, okay... Shaw doesn't realize that his ship is going in the opposite direction until they get to the edge of federation space and he looks out a window? ... wut The writers decided they wanted to establish that he is a radioactive rear end in a top hat in the dinner scene and had no plan for what to do with him for any other part of the episode.
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As always, the negativity in this thread is wildly over the top. Picard seasons 1-2 are really not very good shows, but if you can’t handle bad episodes of television you fundamentally shouldn’t be a fan of Star Trek. Huge amounts of Star Trek, in all eras, are bad. The movies are notoriously considered to be 50% bad. It seems that people are generally agreeing that this episode was decent (I agree) but that they refuse to be pleased because of course it’s going to be terrible from now, just like the first two seasons. Maybe it’s not unlikely that that will happen, but if it does my response will be “that’s a pity”. Anyway, I didn’t catch that Burton tweet before it was deleted, but either way this episode was full of foreshadowing that the Galaxy Class will be back. The barmaid insults it, that guy dunks it in the drink, they clearly link the “old-fashioned” ship to the advanced age of the main characters. It’s worth pointing out too that the evil ship at the end has a deflector dish that clearly echos the design of the Enterprise-D’s. I think it’s extremely likely that we will see a fight between this ship and a Galaxy Class where the evil ship is the “Anti-D”, spindly and pointy while the D is fat and round. By the way, in the shot of Raffi’s computer that includes the Voyager-B, next to the Enterprise-F it says it’s up for “early decommissioning”. I suspect that at the end of the series we’ll see the unveiling of the Enterprise-G, which takes clear design cues from the Galaxy Class. E: the Titan is dark to contrast with how bright the Galaxy Class is when it returns.
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Can't be bothered to stand up and greet Picard or Riker or Seven when they join him for dinner. Couldn't even be bothered to stop eating for a moment.
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FISHMANPET posted:Can't be bothered to stand up and greet Picard or Riker or Seven when they join him for dinner. Couldn't even be bothered to stop eating for a moment. I mean, I kinda don't blame him. I've been in "Uugh, these old assholes  " mode for a while now myself, so Shaw being per-emptively done with whatever poo poo Picard and Riker were about to spill all over his lap without even having the dignity to loop him in on it just sang to my soul.
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Madurai posted:Every one of Shaw's responses to the nonsense going on around him was completely reasonable. Shaw goes to my second-favorite Trek CO behind Jellicoe. His responses seemed pretty good for actual Captain material, the thing that rubbed me the wrong was was forcing Seven to use Annika Hansen. She is clearly unhappy with it but he doesn't give a gently caress. Feels like it's coded as deadnaming to me.
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pik_d posted:His responses seemed pretty good for actual Captain material, the thing that rubbed me the wrong was was forcing Seven to use Annika Hansen. She is clearly unhappy with it but he doesn't give a gently caress. Feels like it's coded as deadnaming to me. It would have been better characterization for him to Jellico her, pull her aside and tell her he wants her to use her real name for ship discipline/morale etc. A lot of his material would have come off better if it wasn't all compacted into a short scene in which he has just enough screen time to savagely bash every single character in the room.
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FISHMANPET posted:Can't be bothered to stand up and greet Picard or Riker or Seven when they join him for dinner. Couldn't even be bothered to stop eating for a moment. He was packing away the wine too.
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Getting the whole Shaw Experience in a couple quick scenes probably does the character no favors but I think his response to everything is pretty reasonable -- he's stuck doing a repositioning flight to go fly in circles in a space parade, two people with no actual authority over him show up and demand an inspection tour, he knows their reputation for constantly getting embroiled in hijinx, and one of them is the "fun boss" who presumably forced him to retrain the Titan's crew to stop speaking in jazz metaphors while on the clock, and his actual commanding officers are going to have his rear end if he's on the wrong side of the Federation when it's parade time
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Penitent posted:It would have been better characterization for him to Jellico her, pull her aside and tell her he wants her to use her real name for ship discipline/morale etc. We don't have time to delve into thoughtful character matters like that, we've only got... TEN HOURS?! 
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