Lostconfused posted:

https://twitter.com/meatdata/status/1493189813209493505

ughhhh posted:

Doesn't the Indian mig21 bisons variants have aesa radars?

Sladkov + posted:

THE FATE OF LDNR OFFICER CORPS IN THE RUSSIAN MINISTRY OF DEFENSE.

To begin with, it is worth explaining who we are talking about and what the problem is. During the eight years of the war, the Donbass formed its own army, the Interior Ministry (plus the Internal Troops), and the State Security Service. Accordingly, during the long years of combat operations, a large number of officers were raised, not by education and diplomas, but by their ability to command and fight in extremely harsh conditions.

They are still in charge of magnificent, combat-ready brigades and regiments.
It should be taken into account that all of these officers began to command units of the volunteer militia of the Russian Spring, and earned their authority in this armed mass of real daredevils.

In February 2022, full mobilization began in Donbass, during which rifle regiments of DNR men were assembled as early as the first day of the VVO, and their officers were appointed there as well. I emphasize, the regiments of mobilized were not formed at the ranges, but immediately at the front line, in 3 days they have already gone into battle.
They have been successfully fighting the proxy army of NATO for a year now. Without rotations and leaving to re-form after heavy losses. These are second wave Donbass commanders.

So what is the problem? And it lies in the fact that thousands of people with years of combat experience are not formally "real officers." That is because they do not have military education, often do not meet the requirements of age and health, they cannot march, they have never led conscripts in their life and in general do not know many important things which are usual for regular Russian officers of peace time. So it turns out that the situation born of the war is not suitable for peacetime. But there is no peace. Who will be at war?

I think that everyone who is actually in officer positions and ranks now should be retained. Yesterday a "fake" Donetsk officer from the reserve was leading his "fake" soldiers into Ukrainian fortifications, giving real results, and that suited everyone, now his seemingly battle-earned career is under threat.

Some will be cut off by future commissions, some have already been thrown out to civilian life, as if they were alcoholics and violators, like that same Basurin (he was fired and it is too late to drink Borjomi) and many other burnt out officers. By the way, Basurin is a symbol of the DNR army, he is the voice of the 1st Corps, he is the brand, if you like. And he is to be kicked out. And how many more will be dismissed "for incompatibility of position", or reduced from commanders to deputy commanders.

The reason is not their age or lack of education. Many officers of the DNR became real competent commanders during the war who know all the requirements of the Russian Federation. The point is something else. They can stand up and say to a Russian general: "Petr Petrovich, everything you're telling us here corresponds neither to Russian laws, nor to the army regulations, nor to military logic. And this can often turn out to be bitter truth, and the bosses do not like the truth. And neither do truth-tellers. That's all.

But the officer corps of the LDPR is Vladimir Putin's real guard, these people have proven their loyalty to the President and to Russia itself by shedding blood not for five or six years, but for nine. And so have the soldiers of the LDPR. And I, privately, can name another dozen such self-made combat commanders who have already been "asked" out of the Donbass army. It is a crime to scatter them, especially in such a bloody time.

Responsible comrades will read these lines and maybe they will think about it. And I am writing this because I have already defended this position at the highest level. It was not heard. We are throwing people out into the civilian world, who lead thousands of subordinates into battle. Why?

Slavvy posted:

I reckon the mig 21 is the best looking old timey jet



It looks like an engine with some wings and a cab strapped on, just the bare minimum you need to go really fast and blow poo poo up, a properly orcish looking fighter plane

tristeham posted:

lmao another festival

https://twitter.com/THR/status/1626311172386353154

Danann posted:

ukraine found enough gleb freikorps to create a whole freikorps unit

Slavvy posted:

I reckon the mig 21 is the best looking old timey jet



It looks like an engine with some wings and a cab strapped on, just the bare minimum you need to go really fast and blow poo poo up, a properly orcish looking fighter plane

Slavvy posted:

I reckon the mig 21 is the best looking old timey jet

Truga posted:

here's some mig 21 trivia: it existing is probably a part of why later russian planes have the insane flight characteristics, since both su-27 family and a couple later migs use the same or similar airflow properties to achieve silly things

it likely happened completely by accident during the design phase since none of the early documents mention it, but the particular delta wing design/angle allow it to fly at like 30 degrees angle of attack and not stall. it's basically more maneuverable than an f-16 despite being 20 years older. modern variants give it better radar and missiles and it's basically as capable as an f-16 but at less than quarter of the price lol. range/fuel economy's real bad tho since it's still primarily an interceptor

Truga posted:

here's some mig 21 trivia: it existing is probably a part of why later russian planes have the insane flight characteristics, since both su-27 family and a couple later migs use the same or similar airflow properties to achieve silly things

it likely happened completely by accident during the design phase since none of the early documents mention it, but the particular delta wing design/angle allow it to fly at like 30 degrees angle of attack and not stall. it's basically more maneuverable than an f-16 despite being 20 years older. modern variants give it better radar and missiles and it's basically as capable as an f-16 but at less than quarter of the price lol. range/fuel economy's real bad tho since it's still primarily an interceptor

mlmp08 posted:

between 15, 17, and 19, aesthetics on the 17 are just right.

Ardennes posted:

Admittedly, the MIG 21 has some stability issues in dog fights since it was designed interceptor, but Vietnamese pilots clearly learned how to fly them and utilize their advantages.

Truga posted:

here's some mig 21 trivia: it existing is probably a part of why later russian planes have the insane flight characteristics, since both su-27 family and a couple later migs use the same or similar airflow properties to achieve silly things

it likely happened completely by accident during the design phase since none of the early documents mention it, but the particular delta wing design/angle allow it to fly at like 30 degrees angle of attack and not stall. it's basically more maneuverable than an f-16 despite being 20 years older. modern variants give it better radar and missiles and it's basically as capable as an f-16 but at less than quarter of the price lol. range/fuel economy's real bad tho since it's still primarily an interceptor

DancingShade posted:

If certain people can claim the F-35 is a really good fighter, actually, because despite flying like a duck with clipped wings its loaded with fancy electronics then it seems to me that loading fancy electronics into a fuselage that doesn't disintegrate in the bad weather, even a Mig-21, is reasonable.

Corky Romanovsky posted:

Still frustrating that some people don't believe this. Same with Korea.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Ardennes posted:

There is an active effort to simply rewrite history.

DancingShade posted:

This has always been the case but its in overdrive at the moment. Definitely not panic. Absolutely no long term negative consequences.

(blame people with social media brain who think they can rewrite physical reality by rewriting some text like its some kind of dumb harry potter spell)

edit - look I didn't hire them and nobody would have listened to me anyway. I'm not the person anyone listens to until after everything has gone to poo and they want a solution. Then I have to pull out the emails from 2-3 years ago where I said "doing X leads to poo". Your solution is in another castle Mario.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Top Gun Reference posted:

edit: jogging my memory a bit, there was an incident of an Egyptian MiG-21 pilot during the Yom Kippur War in 1973 who managed to pull a split S within 3000 feet by exploiting this and the MiG-21's good thrust-to-weight, missing the ground by mere feet in one of the most ballsy maneuvers ever

Zodium posted:

no matter how much the empire declined and rome became unsustainable to live in, the romans never rose up and overthrew the system. it never dramatically collapsed in a big cathartic moment. productive forces simply kept receding inexorably until the empire had withered away, ancient proto-goons lamenting its fall and foolishness the whole time, until even rome was barely a city at all. there's the same lamenting sentiment motivating certain parts of cspam discourse, a notion that the collapse of the economy or housing or the war or the biosphere must be imminent so a correction or at least final implosion can occur and, at last, free the world. a moment which never comes because empires are always running, and running is a state of perpetual falling; a moment which never comes because this is the collapse.

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

A modern F-16 costs as much as a Su-75 for a cheap variant and as much as a Su-57 for an expensive variant.

Why yes, you could buy 3 Su-75s or 2,5 Su-57s for the cost of one F-35.

Admittedly the cost of the Su-75 might end up being considerably higher than advertised because it's a project and no one has bought it yet, but still. A spicy option for an aspiring air force.

Frosted Flake posted:

The people did, though, by turning to Germanic people as Dux, military leaders, and then the civil government too. The process you are describing was a series of people locally making the decision that an alternative form of government, if you like, better met their needs.

Diocletian, Constantine, Odoacer, Alaric, Theodoric, Justinian all gained legitimacy as alternatives to a failing system, or forces to restore it.

Also, by the time your describing, Ravenna and Constantinople were thriving, exciting, energetic cities with booming economies, better integrated into the flow of people and goods around the Mediterranean than Rome - halfway up a mountainous peninsula - was.

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

A modern F-16 costs as much as a Su-75 for a cheap variant and as much as a Su-57 for an expensive variant.

Why yes, you could buy 3 Su-75s or 2,5 Su-57s for the cost of one F-35.

Frosted Flake posted:

You do kind of have to give it to them, because I’ll occasionally have NATO brain and lament they didn’t mass produce BTR-90s, when the BTR-82/80A is a brilliant way to accomplish the same thing - or near enough - at a fraction of the cost, using existing inventory. Similarly, the T-72B(X) upgrades, which have been up to 300 vehicles a year iirc, instead of new T-90’s or T-80’s.

Frosted Flake posted:

You do kind of have to give it to them, because I’ll occasionally have NATO brain and lament they didn’t mass produce BTR-90s, when the BTR-82/80A is a brilliant way to accomplish the same thing - or near enough - at a fraction of the cost, using existing inventory. Similarly, the T-72B(X) upgrades, which have been up to 300 vehicles a year iirc, instead of new T-90’s or T-80’s.

Orange Devil posted:

"Good enough" is often better than "good".

Frosted Flake posted:

You do kind of have to give it to them, because I’ll occasionally have NATO brain and lament they didn’t mass produce BTR-90s, when the BTR-82/80A is a brilliant way to accomplish the same thing - or near enough - at a fraction of the cost, using existing inventory. Similarly, the T-72B(X) upgrades, which have been up to 300 vehicles a year iirc, instead of new T-90’s or T-80’s.

Delta-Wye posted:

we're going to perfect ukraine's air defenses with... *checks notes* one (1) patriot battery

Regarde Aduck posted:

Considering T72b3m losses, even doubting sources like oryx, that rate of replenishment isn't enough which implies that in this case a little more quality might help. APS should probably become a minimum standard even for the budget option. But im a layman so I'm probably missing the bigger picture in all the data and impressions.

Ardennes posted:

Also, Russia is very much still exporting "real" jet aircraft along with modernizing existing air fleets. It is a rather ridiculous narrative tbh.