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I'm not saying he's surrounded by a phalanx of John Wicks but they probably don't put you on warzone detail when you're fresh out of...Secret Service training school
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Doesn't seem to be the case right now in the live feed I'm watching, but the local media here reported earlier that air raid sirens could be heard in background while Biden was giving his speech. Imagine being the Secret Service and knowing there might be a missile strike inbound on your general location, and it's still not reason enough by itself to interrupt the President giving a speech.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm not saying he's surrounded by a phalanx of John Wicks but they probably don't put you on warzone detail when you're fresh out of...Secret Service training school Dunno, haven't you seen The Recruit?
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I guess the US is pretty confident Russia can't launch a missile attack at short notice, or maybe they just know they can't aim for poo poo.
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People talk about the US giving Ukraine 100 billion in war materials etc. But isn't what's actually happening. Is that the US is giving Ukraine a lot of their older equipment and then paying themselves for it with confiscated Russian money? Also, about the Biden visit. I wonder how this will affect Russian air attacks against central Ukraine. Accidentally killing the US president could only be bad for them.
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Feliday Melody posted:But isn't what's actually happening. Is that the US is giving Ukraine a lot of their older equipment and then paying themselves for it with confiscated Russian money? No, that “understanding” of events doesn't hold water on a whole load from fronts. Starting with U.S. not appropriating sanction assets, yet anyway, and ending with U.S. specifically not controlling anywhere near enough frozen Russian assets to cover for what they've paid already.
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Feliday Melody posted:People talk about the US giving Ukraine 100 billion in war materials etc. The assets of Russian Central Bank (around 300 bln) were frozen, not seized, so no, they were not spent on weapons and it is unclear what would happen to them since neither US nor EU have developed a procedure for that. EU has not even located them https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-14/eu-sanctions-seek-to-make-banks-divulge-frozen-russian-assets fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Feb 20, 2023 |
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Feb 20, 2023 12:12
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Russia knows and knew of Biden's visit. There's no way they weren't informed. Also, regarding frozen assets, the USA is still a Rule of Law country. They can't just appropriate frozen assets, and certainly not for themselves. That's pure fantasy.
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Chalks posted:I guess the US is pretty confident Russia can't launch a missile attack at short notice, or maybe they just know they can't aim for poo poo. If they couldn't get Zelensky in one year as he's been in Kyiv as well as toured front line cities, they probably won't be able to get Biden in one day.
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Jesus Christ. Russia has been extremely well informed that Biden is in Kyiev today and they will not under any circumstances do anything that can be remotely construed as trying to kill the U.S. president.
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Freudian slippers posted:Jesus Christ. Russia has been extremely well informed that Biden is in Kyiev today and they will not under any circumstances do anything that can be remotely construed as trying to kill the U.S. president. Whelp, you've convinced me they'll try. When has Russia NOT be stupid about this entire war, including starting it in the first place? Wonder where the Vice President is today. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Freudian slippers posted:Jesus Christ. Russia has been extremely well informed that Biden is in Kyiev today and they will not under any circumstances do anything that can be remotely construed as trying to kill the U.S. president. It's this. Russia knows very well that doing anything even remotely near Biden would be catastrophic, and not even Vova is insane enough to want to intentionally trigger a potential nuclear war. Uh, apologies about Clancychat, but, you know, it seems to be Biden's fault in this case 
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Rappaport posted:It's this. Russia knows very well that doing anything even remotely near Biden would be catastrophic, and not even Vova is insane enough to want to intentionally trigger a potential nuclear war. Uh, apologies about Clancychat, but, you know, it seems to be Biden's fault in this case Man, it's crazy it's been a year already. Rewind the clock back around 12 months, we'd have: -unconfirmed information of assaults everywhere in Ukraine -talks of the VDV getting slaughtered when dropping - also largely unconfirmed -the miraculous survival of Zelensky -lots and lots of Black Sea activity - I think that conflict froze like half a year ago -the new migration crisis in Poland and surrounding areas 50% of the posters were sure that this war would be done by today - and that's including the ones that were optimistic. Goes to show war is unpredictable hell.
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Bloomberg has put up a feature about global food security. Nothing especially new if you have followed the efforts to sanction Russian fertilizer manufacturers, but it's a good and current overview on what's going on with the global fertilizer manufacturing. In short, the USA & Canada combined barely outproduce Russia & Belarus combined, and China produces more than either of the pairings, bar potash. And those are 5 of 6 major fertilizer manufacturers, the remaining one being India.
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Rappaport posted:It's this. Russia knows very well that doing anything even remotely near Biden would be catastrophic, and not even Vova is insane enough to want to intentionally trigger a potential nuclear war. Uh, apologies about Clancychat, but, you know, it seems to be Biden's fault in this case The real clancychat is people seriously saying that Russia is gonna attempt to murder the POTUS. Like Jesus Christ use your head and think this through a bit.
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So how many SAM launchers are the Secret Service going to incompetently leave behind in Kyiv when Air Force One departs? EDIT: I am being informed that Biden may have taken a train from Poland. 
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Feliday Melody posted:People talk about the US giving Ukraine 100 billion in war materials etc. I am uncertain if this was meant about today's visit specifically, but, so far, we're at a $500mn mark. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...6#liveblog-body quote:..
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Snippet from Punchbowl's morning newsletter:quote:Air Force One departed Joint Base Andrews outside Washington early Sunday morning under a tight veil of secrecy. Biden’s official schedule said he was supposed to be at the White House on Monday preparing for a two-day trip to Poland. Only a handful of aides were with Biden in Kyiv, including National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan and Jen O’Malley Dillon, deputy chief of staff. And yeah AF1 apparently took him to Poland then he went by train to Kyiv.
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Boris Galerkin posted:The real clancychat is people seriously saying that Russia is gonna attempt to murder the POTUS. Like Jesus Christ use your head and think this through a bit. They will try super hard not to hit Kyiv, but in a show of competence and maintenance efforts that we so love Russia for, will only hit Kyiv.  I mean obviously this was communicated in advance and everyone is going to be super careful not to hit Biden, but let's have some fun before we acknowledge the boring reality.
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Navalny came out with a 15 point political platform, which includes recognising Ukraine’s 1991 borders (including Crimea), and reparations for Ukraine https://twitter.com/navalny/status/1627632098608644099
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Antigravitas posted:Russia knows and knew of Biden's visit. There's no way they weren't informed. Just have a US cop pull over over Russia. No one seems to question the stuff that goes missing.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:So how many SAM launchers are the Secret Service going to incompetently leave behind in Kyiv when Air Force One departs? Of course he would take the train, he's Amtrak Joe! Fragrag fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Feb 20, 2023 |
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Brown Moses posted:Navalny came out with a 15 point political platform, which includes recognising Ukraine’s 1991 borders (including Crimea), and reparations for Ukraine Hope he takes it easy on drinking tea after this.
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Brown Moses posted:Navalny came out with a 15 point political platform, which includes recognising Ukraine’s 1991 borders (including Crimea), and reparations for Ukraine While I do find the absence of “Crimea is Ukraine” conspicuous, given the specific political prevalence of “Crimea is ours” in Russian discourse, “1991 borders” being publicly invoked does put his money where his mouth is, credit where due.
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Fragrag posted:Of course he would take the train, he's Amtrak Joe! Now he's PKP Joe
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Antigravitas posted:Also, regarding frozen assets, the USA is still a Rule of Law country. They can't just appropriate frozen assets, and certainly not for themselves. That's pure fantasy. Isn't that exactly what happened to the Afghani funds that were somehow redirected to 911 victims or something?
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1627623132528779264?t=rhF2ud8IQjUcbq-9M2KXTQ&s=19 Remember when some people expected this guy to become a next Minister of Defense or a warlord king and now he is relegated to publicly crying about being cut off from supplies.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Now he's PKP Joe A fate so terrible even politicians don't deserve. At least make him EuroCity Joe..
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Confirming what we already expected, from the BBC's live feed:quote:US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan has confirmed the presidential delegation did notify Russia about President Biden's trip to Kyiv.
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FT has a handy summary of Biden's visit to Kyiv, from arrival to departure. Featuring a funny video from Reuters with reporters swarming like bees around the pair of presidents walking to the wreath laying ceremony, and, in addition to the $500mn package, some tidbits from Sullivan. As per him, a major topic of the discussions between Zelenskyy and Biden was to discuss what Ukraine sees as its 2023 in the war, and the overall endgame of it.
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Brown Moses posted:Navalny came out with a 15 point political platform, which includes recognising Ukraine’s 1991 borders (including Crimea), and reparations for Ukraine I'm glad he's explicitly reverted his old stance on Crimea ('it's not a sandwich to be passed around back and forth'). His analysis of Russia's imperial narratives and their prevalence among Russians is, on the other hand, very surface-level and overly optimistic, to put it lightly. Not to mention that it's not the best time to compare Russia to Belarus on that front. Some people might also take exception with his 'we must defeat Putin on the free marketplace of ideas though electoral process' plan. A good read overall, though, something the majority of Russian opposition can get behind, even the weirdos from Yabloko.
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I think the Belarus tangent was awkward, but I took that part of the message more to be a pushback to the casual xenophobia of Russians being like a D&D faction born with +2 to imperialism. Like with Crimea, here he did also say the “countries with preconditions” bit, which explicitly means that Russia has the conditions to have that problem, and so I think the jury is out on whether if he's an optimist here, a diplomat, or a person constrained by the word count limit.
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Moon Slayer posted:Confirming what we already expected, from the BBC's live feed: To the Office of the President of the Russian Federation We're going to Kyiv this morning. gently caress around and find out. From the Office of the President of the United States of America
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Moon Slayer posted:Snippet from Punchbowl's morning newsletter: All of this was just an excuse for Biden to use trains again.
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Shogeton posted:All of this was just an excuse for Biden to use trains again. He wants to visit a country with competent railroad authorities.
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OddObserver posted:He wants to visit a country with competent railroad authorities. Man you joke, but there's definitely going to be a cottage industry of Ukrainian railway and postal services consultants in like 2030s or whatever that are going to rake in some sweet cash for unfucking these things for other regions. As far as I can tell, those two things work better in wartime Ukraine than in peacetime Latvia. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Feb 20, 2023 |
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Sereri posted:Isn't that exactly what happened to the Afghani funds that were somehow redirected to 911 victims or something? No
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Shogeton posted:All of this was just an excuse for Biden to use trains again. Funnily enough there are rumours that Putin is now so afraid of assassination that he has stopped flying altogether and only travels in his armoured train like Kim. If the world leaders have switched from planes to trains then maybe we have some hope with CO2 goals yet
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"What are your qualifications for this job to manage all the trains of New York Grand Station? I don't see any kind of background in logistics in your education." "I was a Logisitcs officer in the Ukranian armed forces during Russia's invasion" "When can you start?"
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I think the Belarus tangent was awkward, but I took that part of the message more to be a pushback to the casual xenophobia of Russians being like a D&D faction born with +2 to imperialism. Like with Crimea, here he did also say the “countries with preconditions” bit, which explicitly means that Russia has the conditions to have that problem, and so I think the jury is out on whether if he's an optimist here, a diplomat, or a person constrained by the word count limit. I get what he was trying to say with that Belarus comparison, and I definitely agree that Russians are only predisposed to imperialism due to historical circumstance, just like any other nation with an imperial past, not because they are literally a certain LotR race. I actually used to deploy a similar argument before the war, when discussing the need for cooperation between Belarusian and Russian opposition with the more. But now that Belarusian state propaganda almost exclusively amplifies Russia's imperial narratives as the direct result of Russia exercising its imperial ambitions over Ukraine and Belarus, it's just bound to cause controversy. He could have made the same point without the comparison, it was just lazy and unnecessary, although I get that after 2 years in prison he might not be completely in touch with the discourse. Funnily, the infamous crazy libertarian Mikhail Svetov, who is ostensibly against the war, but spends more time bemoaning woke culture and China's covid policies, has already said that the theses must be a forgery by Navalny's treacherous statist team, since Navalny would never proclaim something so anti-Russian and anti-liberal. So when I said all Russian opposition could get behind the message, I was terribly wrong.
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