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Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017


Official upload: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6yE7fUE220

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Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.
Seeing how nowhere else seems to have mentioned it, I’m just going to add that I thought busting out a hopeful/uplifting version of Sheev’s theme when Chuchi is showing Omega the Senate was a cute touch. And the spooky version they played when he makes his entrance later was also rad.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Ups_rail posted:

I didnt like this last episode of bad batch. I get what they are trying to do but the ship getting stolen seemed to be a something dictated by the plot and not something an elite group of comandos would let happen.

I think it works, since a big part of the episode was Omega processing Echo's departure and not feeling like the rest of the squad really cared. The only reason the ship was stolen in the first place was because they were down a man and left one person as a lookout instead of two, so even subconsciously, the rest of the squad clearly hasn't adjusted as well as they think they have.

Though the difference between how Omega and the rest of the clones process something like a family member leaving kind of makes me wonder what sort of social training the soldiers got that Omega didn't. There's always been a child/adult dynamic in the show, but they're all around the same age. It would be interesting to see their adult warrior facade break down once in a while and be reminded that these guys are also children.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS
I think a larger theme throughout the show that's not really at the forefront, but that this episode gets closer to than most, is that the Bad Batch as a whole is having a really tough time adjusting to not being part of a larger military organization any more. They have been doing missions for Cid for a while now, ostensibly to get funding for themselves, but it's not really clearly established what they actually hope to achieve with it. It feels more like they are just doing it because it's familiar to them.

For as independent-minded as they are supposedly are for being clones, they don't yet seem ready to confront that the part of their life that consisted of repeatedly being sent on missions by other people is now effectively over. Echo realized that sooner than the rest, and found a new purpose for himself in fighting the empire with Rex.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

My face when a girlboss is about to upend my PHD in sectors.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

This guy ruled, can't wait to see more of him.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

I really liked this week's bad batch, it was an excellent slice of life episode with some gorgeous visuals. Kinda weird that they let a 5 year old ezra bridger steal their ship tho.

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

https://twitter.com/More_Civilized/status/1627084267082903553?s=20
Maybe not a five star show but this IS a five star run time :haw:

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

my God i cant wait for that

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Can you really talk for 5 hours about how something is just a bad idea executed poorly?

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

Arc Hammer posted:

Can you really talk for 5 hours about how something is just a bad idea executed poorly?

You've been doing it for ten years :smugdog:

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

theflyingexecutive posted:

You've been doing it for ten years :smugdog:

Give me twelve more days and that will be true.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Arc Hammer posted:

Give me twelve more days and that will be true.

That's just begging for a comedy permaban.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Ups_rail posted:

I didnt like this last episode of bad batch. I get what they are trying to do but the ship getting stolen seemed to be a something dictated by the plot and not something an elite group of comandos would let happen.

I haven't caught the episode yet, but leaving your ship's doors open and wandering off is a Star Wars tradition.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Bad Batch Season 2 Volume One OST
YouTube playlist

Nice to have the racing tracks at last

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Something else about Andor (and Solo for that matter) that I really appreciate is how they've included the Imperial Army as a separate military branch from the Stormtrooper Corps. It's a good distinction between the everyday rank and file of the armed forces and the terror squads of Waffen SS goons who join the Corps.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Arc Hammer posted:

Something else about Andor (and Solo for that matter) that I really appreciate is how they've included the Imperial Army as a separate military branch from the Stormtrooper Corps. It's a good distinction between the everyday rank and file of the armed forces and the terror squads of Waffen SS goons who join the Corps.

They have to. The Empire being a fragmented bunch of backbiters engaging in constant turf wars is one of the Central Themes. So we need the storm troopers to not be the army to not be the ISB.
It's why we're supposed to agree with Luthen when he talks to Saw.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
It also shows evil by degrees. An army trooper has a face and may be a true believer or he may be a paycheck to paycheck jobber. A stormtrooper gives up his or her identity and dons a face mask to become a tool of the state and commit atrocities without question. When it comes down to a revolution both of them should be treated like any space nazi and shot dead but there's a clear escalation of war crimes whenever the stormtroopers and death troopers appear.

It's also a good way to sidestep the really hosed up ethics of the sequel trilogy where we're simultaneously supposed to cheer on the mass slaughter of the faceless goon stormtroopers while also being told that they're brainwashed kidnapped children, several of whom become heroes after going awol from the First Order. Establish stormtroopers as the diehard jackasses they are who deserve to get blown away whenever they appear.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 20, 2023

Jinnigan
Feb 12, 2007

We shall pay him a visit. There will be a picnic. Tea shall be served.

Arc Hammer posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffVP9N7bCGs

gently caress... I havent watched Obi Wan scenes since the show came out but good lord is it poorly shot. Hold the loving camera still.

at first i was amazed at how none of the stormtroopers land even one shot, but then i excused it because otherwise all the front line stormtroopers wouldve been shot in the back, by other stormtroopers. incredible

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

Arc Hammer posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffVP9N7bCGs

gently caress... I havent watched Obi Wan scenes since the show came out but good lord is it poorly shot. Hold the loving camera still.

lmao at the rebel @ 0:40 doing a wrestling move on a guy with a helmet

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Jinnigan posted:

at first i was amazed at how none of the stormtroopers land even one shot, but then i excused it because otherwise all the front line stormtroopers wouldve been shot in the back, by other stormtroopers. incredible

I attributed that to having Obi-Wan up front blocking any shot that would have scored.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


HootTheOwl posted:

They have to. The Empire being a fragmented bunch of backbiters engaging in constant turf wars is one of the Central Themes.

Eh, interservice rivalries are ancient and universal. Grog was poo poo talking about Krunk, because Grog was an archer and Krunk just had a spear. But they both hated Ukulk because he thought he was king poo poo with his "horse." It doesn't really have anything to do with the Empire's ideology or showing them as fragmented.

KurdtLives
Dec 22, 2004

Ladies and She-Hulks can't resist Murdock's Big Hallway Energy

Sash! posted:

Eh, interservice rivalries are ancient and universal. Grog was poo poo talking about Krunk, because Grog was an archer and Krunk just had a spear. But they both hated Ukulk because he thought he was king poo poo with his "horse." It doesn't really have anything to do with the Empire's ideology or showing them as fragmented.
True, but some dictator's encourage inter-service rivalries even though it is counter productive so none of upper management/cabinet ministers can consolidate enough power to threaten said dictator. The Nazi's were big on this and the Legends EU Empire was too.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017



Palpatine's entire MO is encouraging infighting and survival of the fittest, so that by the time he dies, the Empire's barely functioning, which lets the First Order slide into the power vacuum to set the groundwork for the Sith Eternal

Now, as long as his enemies don't get two lightsabers, he's all set...

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
There's infighting inside the ISB specifically encouraged by Partagaz to achieve better results. We're told straight up that he brought Dedra Meero and others like her into the ISB to shake things up rather than rely on the old work systems and grow complacent. That implies there is a level of inter-service rivalry going on.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



I think the faceless goonsquad named after the nazi party's street fighters has more artistic intention behind them than not

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Yes the tactics the bad guys are using are supposed to be bad.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

I think the faceless goonsquad named after the nazi party's street fighters has more artistic intention behind them than not

That was the Sturmabteilung. The Sturmtruppen were WWI infiltration specialists that grew out of the idea they called Stoßtruppen: light infantry equipped with heavy armor designed for mobility and operating with minimal support from heavier units.

Jinnigan
Feb 12, 2007

We shall pay him a visit. There will be a picnic. Tea shall be served.

HootTheOwl posted:

Yes the tactics the bad guys are using are supposed to be bad.

whys that

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Jinnigan posted:

whys that

Because otherwise using the tools of your enemy wouldn't be a sacrifice

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Sash! posted:

That was the Sturmabteilung. The Sturmtruppen were WWI infiltration specialists that grew out of the idea they called Stoßtruppen: light infantry equipped with heavy armor designed for mobility and operating with minimal support from heavier units.

Stoßtruppen (lit. push/strike troops, ie. breakthrough troops) was not called sturmtruppen (lit. storm troops, ie. attack or assault troops) by the Prussian military establishment regardless of what name they would be colloquially known by. The lowlifes who were the individuals of the sturmabteilungen, however, was.
Don't quote German military history to me little man

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Stoßtruppen (lit. push/strike troops, ie. breakthrough troops) was not called sturmtruppen (lit. storm troops, ie. attack or assault troops) by the Prussian military establishment regardless of what name they would be colloquially known by. The lowlifes who were the individuals of the sturmabteilungen, however, was.
Don't quote German military history to me little man

is the empire coded as being german or nazi?

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



They're coded as whatever a nerdy guy in california in the mid 70s thought a pulp fiction literal evil empire should be and then interpreted by a whole heap of other nerds, so this besserwisser battle is moot anyway

KurdtLives
Dec 22, 2004

Ladies and She-Hulks can't resist Murdock's Big Hallway Energy

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Stoßtruppen (lit. push/strike troops, ie. breakthrough troops) was not called sturmtruppen (lit. storm troops, ie. attack or assault troops) by the Prussian military establishment regardless of what name they would be colloquially known by. The lowlifes who were the individuals of the sturmabteilungen, however, was.
Don't quote German military history to me little man
Weren't the sturmabteilungen (SA) called 'Brownshirts' waaaay more than stormtroopers?

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



KurdtLives posted:

Weren't the sturmabteilungen (SA) called 'Brownshirts' waaaay more than stormtroopers?

But they were also called stormtroopers. Which of the 2 would the star wars stormtroopers be named after?

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KurdtLives
Dec 22, 2004

Ladies and She-Hulks can't resist Murdock's Big Hallway Energy

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

But they were also called stormtroopers. Which of the 2 would the star wars stormtroopers be named after?
I mean, Lucas isn't a historian, but street fighting SA goons that are the spiritual predecessors to Jan 6 idiots are less like Star Wars Stormtroopers than actual heavy infantry.

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