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vyelkin posted:very cool and interesting pictures and trip report, thank you
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Feb 19, 2023 18:40
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I asked a while back in the Asia thread but I don't remember getting a response. Is there an equivalent of "We Are Cuba!" for Vietnam i.e. something which lays out how the Vietnamese government handled reforms, and the economy after the war? I think the Vietnamese communist youtube lady has done videos about this, but i'd prefer reading rather than watching a video.
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Feb 19, 2023 18:44
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i am extremely curious what her trip looked like with an nnoc delegation compared to my impromptu self-navigated trip. that is a lot of bread compared to what i saw, but i didnt attend any block parties https://twitter.com/CallaWalsh/status/1627709952163708934?s=20
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Feb 20, 2023 18:38
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jarofpiss posted:i am extremely curious what her trip looked like with an nnoc delegation compared to my impromptu self-navigated trip. that is a lot of bread compared to what i saw, but i didnt attend any block parties supply issues of specific goods are often highly localised and, well, specific. in the late soviet union, the issue wasn't that you couldn't get a decent cut of meat, the issue was that you were never sure where you had to go to get that cut of meat that might account for this discrepancy or it might not idk
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Feb 20, 2023 18:48
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V. Illych L. posted:supply issues of specific goods are often highly localised and, well, specific. in the late soviet union, the issue wasn't that you couldn't get a decent cut of meat, the issue was that you were never sure where you had to go to get that cut of meat yeah i didn’t mean for that to sound lovely if it did. i was mostly in old havana and i did see a bakery. but bread was absolutely not the cheap carbohydrate source that we have here. i mean of course a block party put on by the local committee in defense of the revolution is not going to be reflective of the average regular day in the life, but i just thought her thread was interesting. she’s clearly doing a propaganda minded description of things which i don’t even really disagree with. it’s just funny how there’s never any real nuance in these sorts of characterizations of life in cuba. it’s always “the cuban people are on death’s door of starvation” or “the cuban people are happy and thriving in paradise”. i’m just curious what her trip would be like given she’s ostensibly on some sort of organized trip that’s in contact with the state government in some sense or another. she’s probably (definitely) meeting true believers to an extent i didn’t. i’m glad i got to meet and talk with actually normal people that aren’t fully politics brained, but i would also like to meet folks that are fully immersed in the politics there also. i wont be returning until the museum of the revolution is done with the renovation, however
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Feb 20, 2023 20:06
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V. Illych L. posted:supply issues of specific goods are often highly localised and, well, specific. in the late soviet union, the issue wasn't that you couldn't get a decent cut of meat, the issue was that you were never sure where you had to go to get that cut of meat jarofpiss posted:it’s just funny how there’s never any real nuance in these sorts of characterizations of life in cuba. it’s always “the cuban people are on death’s door of starvation” or “the cuban people are happy and thriving in paradise”. There's this older guy of our local group that goes every now and then to Havana since the early 80s, he has family there. To me, the most interesting part were the peculiar nuances of difficulties he talked about, with emphasis on nuance here - he frequently says that the hardest part is explaining that complaints in Cuba get misinterpreted a lot both ways because our referentials are of an entirely different order - our perception of not only material needs but also of social organization and collective living are way different. They also are aware of their circumstances much better than even some leftists give them credit for: many material complaints are valid and yet still they want their way to work because they also recognize the massive difficulties imposed on them by foreign influence.
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Feb 20, 2023 20:56
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dead gay comedy forums posted:There's this older guy of our local group that goes every now and then to Havana since the early 80s, he has family there. To me, the most interesting part were the peculiar nuances of difficulties he talked about, with emphasis on nuance here - he frequently says that the hardest part is explaining that complaints in Cuba get misinterpreted a lot both ways because our referentials are of an entirely different order - our perception of not only material needs but also of social organization and collective living are way different. They also are aware of their circumstances much better than even some leftists give them credit for: many material complaints are valid and yet still they want their way to work because they also recognize the massive difficulties imposed on them by foreign influence. yeah this is a really good way of putting it. i was not expecting shortages sourcing materials/etc that are trivial for us to access (embargo notwithstanding), while at the same time having universal literacy, healthcare, housing, etc. those things feel almost impossible to achieve here, and it’s a really bizarre feeling to be somewhere that has figured that out, but then you cant go to a gas station and get a candy bar and a bag of chips. the embargo is something that of course exists, but is not the sole cause of the difficulties various people complained about. it’s really a fundamentally different ordering of society and priorities, and it drove home for me how much has to happen here in people’s brains for that sort of system to be possible.
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Feb 20, 2023 23:03
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vyelkin posted:very cool and interesting pictures and trip report, thank you
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Feb 21, 2023 00:43
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do you think Cuba signing onto the BRI that was signed in 2021 will have any impact on material needs? i wonder if China could step into the role the USSR used to fill for Cuba (if they're not already doing that)
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Feb 21, 2023 00:44
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Hefty Leftist posted:do you think Cuba signing onto the BRI that was signed in 2021 will have any impact on material needs? i wonder if China could step into the role the USSR used to fill for Cuba (if they're not already doing that) I think the investment from China is going to help out but afaik Chinese still adheres to western sanction when dealing with countries like Cuba.
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Feb 21, 2023 01:25
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I think the investment from China is going to help out but afaik Chinese still adheres to western sanction when dealing with countries like Cuba. They should send Chen to visit Cuba. It's basically our Taiwan
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Feb 21, 2023 15:44
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Lib and let die posted:They should send Chen to visit Cuba. It's basically our Taiwan cuba is a part of the united states. always has been.
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Feb 21, 2023 15:48
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well the property on it is.
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Feb 21, 2023 16:30
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a slice of american pie on communist soil
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Feb 21, 2023 16:32
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Sunny Side Up posted:Interesting! Good timing, too, Prolekult put out a video and reading list on exactly that last night Hadn't heard of this channel but spent the last week or so watching their feature-length documentaries and they're really good. Definitely worth a Patreon sub.
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Feb 21, 2023 18:17
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Cuttlefush posted:a slice of american pie on communist soil
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Feb 21, 2023 18:29
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I'm nearly done with this book that was included with my Audible membership - Marx and Marxism by Gregory Claeys - who is a Marxist academic in Britain who seems especially found of Owenist utopian stuff. Once the book got to the USSR it's gone especially off the rails into western left anticommunist diatribes so I'll probably want a chaser to read after this to cleanse the pallete. It seems like Losurdo's book on western Marxist academics hasn't been translated into English yet as far as I can tell. Anybody got good recs on critiques of Western Marxist analysis, especially as it pertains to actual socialist countries, their interpretations of Marx, etc.?
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Feb 23, 2023 16:31
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this might not be exactly what you're looking for, but I would recommend Ernest Mandel's "Formation of the Economic Thought of Karl Marx", which contextualizes Karl Marx's writings across linear time and in relationship to earlier versus later writings, while also discussing the different ways that certain Marxist academics have interpreted certain ideas of his
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Feb 23, 2023 16:41
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i've been sucked into a little wikipedia reading rabbit hole about revolutionary maoism in Nepal, and  lol  but alas 
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Feb 23, 2023 19:11
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bagual posted:i've been sucked into a little wikipedia reading rabbit hole about revolutionary maoism in Nepal, and It's some CIA guy's passion project to keep coming up with new maoist splinter group lore
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Feb 23, 2023 19:38
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Once the book got to the USSR it's gone especially off the rails into western left anticommunist diatribes MeatwadIsGod posted:Gregory Claeys - who is a Marxist academic in Britain found your problem
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Feb 23, 2023 19:40
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What is even up with the Nepali maoists? Are their policies actually socialist? The only time I hear about them is over USAID money protests in nepal.
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Feb 23, 2023 19:40
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could you imagine active maoists these days? how would they get money to buy their arms? donations? territory is obviously no issue. ultimately biden probably wouldn't intervene until its well beyond too late.
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Feb 23, 2023 20:02
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SorePotato posted:It's some CIA guy's passion project to keep coming up with new maoist splinter group lore
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Feb 23, 2023 20:06
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SideEffectShit posted:could you imagine active maoists these days? how would they get money to buy their arms? donations? territory is obviously no issue. ultimately biden probably wouldn't intervene until its well beyond too late. I'd come up w a slick new hammer and sickle and team up with some designers to sell some badass merch
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Feb 23, 2023 20:09
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SideEffectShit posted:could you imagine active maoists these days? how would they get money to buy their arms? donations? territory is obviously no issue. ultimately biden probably wouldn't intervene until its well beyond too late. i mean, https://twitter.com/Rakeshhkumaar/status/1624786684113195011 india's demonetization efforts of the last decade have been to some degree aimed at limiting supply channels to, e.g., Naxalites in Bastar
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Feb 23, 2023 20:44
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AnimeIsTrash posted:What is even up with the Nepali maoists? Are their policies actually socialist? The only time I hear about them is over USAID money protests in nepal. the country is tiny and would depend upon either india or china anyways.
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Feb 23, 2023 21:28
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Aeolius posted:i mean, lol if you think demonetization had anything to do with maoists or terrorism. It was a way to basically paralyze all other political parties because the new notes were recycled through credit unions/co-op banks linked to the BJP.
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Feb 23, 2023 21:29
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AnimeIsTrash posted:What is even up with the Nepali maoists? Are their policies actually socialist? The only time I hear about them is over USAID money protests in nepal. this video series with terrible audio is what got me started on this whole thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuwxhzGXTzw long story short the major split was between participating in parliament under the monarchy or going insurgent, both tendencies were very large, the insurgent faction (curiously inspired by the peruvian shining path) launched a 10 year civil war against the monarchy that ran from 1996 to 2006, which ended up abolishing monarchy. nepali politics then shifted to liberals holding ground however they can and inter communist disputes electing maoist governments of various compositions until they unified the parties in 2018 and won a substantial supermajority over everyone else, then split, and now the government is controlled by a maoist majority composed of both parties tl;dr: they won bagual has issued a correction as of 21:51 on Feb 23, 2023 |
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Feb 23, 2023 21:41
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i learned like a few months ago there was an actual decade long maoist civil war in nepal, in the late 90s end of history no less!, in which the maoists mostly achieved their goals as far as i can tell and it blew my mind I'd never heard anything about it
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Feb 23, 2023 21:44
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I think the documentary Far Cry 4 talks about it
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Feb 23, 2023 22:24
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Could use a good book or two on the history of American labor movements
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Feb 23, 2023 22:25
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SuperKlaus posted:Could use a good book or two on the history of American labor movements there's writers who go deeper on specific tendencies, organizations and struggles like Nelson Liechtenstein, State of the Union: A Century of US Labor will introduce that major tenets of trade & radical unionism in America. May strike you as a little more encyclopedic or boring I would recommend Mike Davis's Prisoners of the American Dream, examines us Labor struggles in a broader political context, grappling with why there have been multiple periods in US history where mass labor parties were on the cusp of breaking through and how they've been repeatedly crushed or failed. Mike Davis owns and has a lot of great Marxist analyses of us working class history
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Feb 23, 2023 22:37
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SuperKlaus posted:Could use a good book or two on the history of American labor movements Philip Foner wrote a 10-volume history of this from the colonial period up to the Great Depression so if your interest is especially somewhere in that time one of his books might be what you're after. I haven't read them specifically but based on other books of his I'd recommend him.
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Feb 23, 2023 22:39
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if for some reason you want to learn very specifically about the UAW from it's founding days to the 1970s, this book is good. UAW Politics in the Cold War Era
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Feb 23, 2023 22:45
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Hadn't heard of this channel but spent the last week or so watching their feature-length documentaries and they're really good. Definitely worth a Patreon sub. Heck yeah, I learned about them from Socialism4All YouTube channel a while back
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Feb 24, 2023 02:40
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wasn’t the usaid stuff done in a coalition govt dominated by socdems? i was under the impression that both Maoist parties are very friendly with the PRC
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Feb 24, 2023 03:38
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Great starts, thank you. I'm going to get a copy of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners first but these recommendations are on the to-do list.
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Feb 24, 2023 05:18
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Tankbuster posted:lol if you think demonetization had anything to do with maoists or terrorism. It was a way to basically paralyze all other political parties because the new notes were recycled through credit unions/co-op banks linked to the BJP. it was literally one of the stated aims; even if pure pretext, i think my phrasing is justified, and if nothing else this does suggest the Naxalites' continued relevance in Indian discourse. that said, if you've got any reading recs on the BJP-aligned bank angle, i'd much appreciate it
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Feb 24, 2023 05:26
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The BJP bungled the economy so bad that it help restart the maoist movement in places where it had died down a decade ago. Terrorism in India has always been shown to be/experienced as an islamic thing since the 1980s. The big false note thing was shown to be a lie when the reserve bank admitted to them accounting for nearly all the previous notes being printed, with substantial amounts still being withheld by nepali banks. https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/b...se-9464781.html
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Feb 24, 2023 05:57
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