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Fritz the Horse posted:im going to balkanize this thread I mean, it's funny because in a sense, that did happen at least once before. Most recently, the broken off section was closed once it was deemed to be inconvenient and replaced with one more restrictive and meant to only allow certain posters and trains of thought within, under threat of ban. It's honestly a kind of microcosm of how it would play out in the real world. Numerous tweaks and new rules forced on smaller territories that just happen to frown upon the wrong sort of people being allowed to function until it becomes the echo chamber extension of the main body that the ones in power decided they actually wanted.
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lol ok edit: I'm slightly impressed you managed to take my shitposty response (intended to communicate the US balkanization discussion should probably wind down) and springboard into a rant about the CCCC spinoff threads. If you don't like them, don't post there. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Feb 20, 2023 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:With the recent invention of "modular" nuclear reactors, the White House is now starting a pilot program to push the adoption of these new nuclear reactors in coal communities as a way to transition away from coal, move to lower emissions energy, and keep jobs in the community. I really hope this comes to fruition, at least the part about resurrecting some of the old coal towns in WV and VA. 
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Youth Decay posted:I really hope this comes to fruition, at least the part about resurrecting some of the old coal towns in WV and VA. Yeah turning those areas into green energy and tourism has been a stretch goal for years. I'm really hoping modular reactors do the thing.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:Heck wouldn't mind a couple here me either, but apparently Illinois has a law on the books banning any new commercial nuke plants being built. quote:220 ILCS 5/8-406
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Is there even a “red state” where the popular vote margin for the republican presidential candidate is higher than ~12%? The whole idea of a red state/blue state as a discrete cultural unit is fundamentally mistaken. Go spend a week in western Massachusetts and see what you think.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Is there even a “red state” where the popular vote margin for the republican presidential candidate is higher than ~12%? The whole idea of a red state/blue state as a discrete cultural unit is fundamentally mistaken. Go spend a week in western Massachusetts and see what you think. Agreed wholeheartedly with the sentiment, but Wyoming (as one example) was 69.94% Trump, 26.55% for Biden. Convenience sample, don't know if this is exhaustive: Utah was 58-38 Idaho was 64-33 Montana was 57-41 Oklahoma was 65-32 etc, etc
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I AM GRANDO posted:Is there even a “red state” where the popular vote margin for the republican presidential candidate is higher than ~12%? The whole idea of a red state/blue state as a discrete cultural unit is fundamentally mistaken. Go spend a week in western Massachusetts and see what you think. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, but western MA is the most left leaning part of the state.
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pencilhands posted:I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, but western MA is the most left leaning part of the state. By Western MA, he obviously means Northern Central MA because just lol at Northampton/the Berkshires being a bastion of right wing politics, even with Goshen/Chesterfield right there.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Is there even a “red state” where the popular vote margin for the republican presidential candidate is higher than ~12%? The whole idea of a red state/blue state as a discrete cultural unit is fundamentally mistaken. Go spend a week in western Massachusetts and see what you think. There were like 18 states that had a higher margin than 12 in favor of trump in 2020. A few less were the same margin but for Biden. Only 16 states had a margin less than 10 in either direction.
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A great example is Texas. People talk about seceding all the time. I always ask, "Any of the cities coming with you?" This is a red state only because they give the rural areas so much power. It'd be purple with the right district apportionment.
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Bird in a Blender posted:There were like 18 states that had a higher margin than 12 in favor of trump in 2020. A few less were the same margin but for Biden. Am I making a very basic error in understanding someone getting 62% of the popular vote as a having a margin of 12%? Trump was at 63% or greater in ID, ND, OK, WV, and WY, plus the NE house districts that went for him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state Am I doing something really stupid here? It is very possible, as I am very stupid.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Ostensibly it's due to an element of one of the non-proliferation/arms limitation treaties we signed with the Soviet (fuel recycling, done one way, can yield weapons-grade material, to oversimplify things immensely). In reality, it's mostly inertia, post-TMI/Chernobyl reflexive fear of ATOMS, and NIMBYism. It might be NIMBY, but I can't really blame folks for looking at Hanford/Savannah River and deciding they don't want any part of that
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CuddleCryptid posted:People want guns because they don't trust the police which isn't going to help when we start drawing ideological lines and then have to figure out how to enforce those lines. I'm not sure I disagree with your overall point, but this part is 1000% bullshit. Gun owners overwhelmingly love the police. If you don't believe this, here's a study showing that just 35% of gun owners even want to redirect police funding to social services: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9722519/. The same study found 44% of the overall populace wanting the same thing. Kalit fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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Kalit posted:I'm not sure I disagree with your overall point, but this part is 1000% bullshit. Gun owners overwhelmingly love the police. Gun owners isn't really a demographic. For the sagebrush crowd its largely a hatred of the federal government imposing rules they don't get much say in, starting with ranching and land management rules and progressing into disliking the ATF because they were generally the justification used to bust up armed domestic groups in the 80s and 90s. Most of them are pro sheriff, focusing on very local and very unaccountable legal theories.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Am I making a very basic error in understanding someone getting 62% of the popular vote as a having a margin of 12%? Trump was at 63% or greater in ID, ND, OK, WV, and WY, plus the NE house districts that went for him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state The margin of victory is the difference between the percentages, not the amount above 50%. e.g. Trump got 62% in Alabama, Biden got 37%, so the margin is 25%. If there were only two candidates then the margin of victory would be twice the amount above 50%, but if there's other candidates it increases the margin of victory by the amount that vote for them Soviet Space Dog fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:lol ok Very strong all my enemies are ranting and all my allies are calmly explaining energy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jesus III posted:A great example is Texas. People talk about seceding all the time. I always ask, "Any of the cities coming with you?" This is a red state only because they give the rural areas so much power. It'd be purple with the right district apportionment. Most of the south is like that. If gerrymandering and (more importantly) suppression of the black vote wasn't such a huge thing, the south would be a lot more contestable.
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Fister Roboto posted:The red state/blue state dichotomy was a mistake. Yeah, let's define the ideological character of an entire state by how ~50.1% of their voters voted in the last presidential election. Great way to draw your battle lines. 100% There are more Trump voters in California than Texas, more Biden voters in Texas than New York, more Trump voters in New York than Ohio, more Biden voters in Ohio than Massachusetts, more Trump voters in Massachusetts than Mississippi, and more Biden voters in Mississippi than Vermont.
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https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/firefighters-responding-to-explosion-in-bedford So who cursed Ohio? Or is this just how Ohio regularly is and nobody was paying attention before.
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something something Ohio has produced the most astronauts. I dunno, maybe we should just populate OH with just 2 + how many house reps they have need. (oh and whatever state gov. needs)
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Also a genuine question for the science goons in this thread, is there any credibility to the claim that the East Palestine burn killed a lady's chickens? Ex: https://old.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/112hi99/woman_who_lives_10_miles_away_from_east_palestine/ Not sure if this is something the government would ever respond to, but it definitely seems like in this modern world public policy makers should respond to videos that gets a lot of views if only to maintain credibility.
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WarpedLichen posted:but it definitely seems like in this modern world public policy makers should respond to videos that gets a lot of views if only to maintain credibility. That's literally all they'd be able to do then. There would be no time for anything else.
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The new narrative is taking shape https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1627852976839598080
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Fart Amplifier posted:That's literally all they'd be able to do then. There would be no time for anything else. Is a Snopes fact check department impossible for the US government? Though I can see a department of we only give a poo poo if you get X million views problematic.
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WarpedLichen posted:https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/firefighters-responding-to-explosion-in-bedford I think it's just that Ohio is the main character this week. Maybe for a couple weeks. Disasters and poo poo happen all the time, but they're rarely news worthy to the media because it doesn't sell much ad revenue. But if one place seems like it's getting hit over and over again, that gets more clicks and sympathy tweets and the like. It could also just be a way to avoid talking about the two mass shootings that happened today in Memphis and New Orleans? People in this country are very tired of GUN! chat, so I think the media deliberately seek out stories to tell that let them elide the ... uh ... mundane daily mass murder or two. eta: napkin math says that today, the 50th day of this year, is also the 107th mass shooting. Lest my tone seem a bit too blithe, I think this poo poo sucks, but as a country it doesn't really even register any more. Ershalim fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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WarpedLichen posted:Also a genuine question for the science goons in this thread, is there any credibility to the claim that the East Palestine burn killed a lady's chickens? Birds are way more sensitive to airborne chemicals than humans are. Aside from their small size, their respiratory systems are highly optimized for quickly extracting gases from the air. Stuff that would be harmless or mildly annoying to humans can cause a bird to drop dead on the spot within minutes. It's a well-known thing with pet birds. It usually comes up with indoor birds, since common household smells like perfume or a boiled-dry pot can be dangerous to them, but outdoor birds like chickens can be badly affected by lovely air quality as well.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Most of the south is like that. If gerrymandering and (more importantly) suppression of the black vote wasn't such a huge thing, the south would be a lot more contestable. I mean the main thing about the south is that the white people vote 90% republican specifically to deny black people representation. There would be a few more blue districts if the supreme court hadn't killed the voting rights act, but winning statewide is just a huge lift when the state is 56% white and 36% black and Republicans are the white party. It's easy to forget because it's localized to the south and most red states outside the south are 90% white. If you just look at the overall results Idaho is much more republican than Mississippi, but if white people in Mississippi were as progressive as white people in Idaho it would be a blue state. All the voter suppression is bad for different reasons and it can affect local elections, but Mississippi is 56% white and Trump got 57% of the vote. Repealing voter ID laws isn't enough to get around that. Georgia is a swing state because its electorate is a bit less white and the white people aren't as racist in their voting patterns (still more so than non southern states). James Garfield fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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WarpedLichen posted:Also a genuine question for the science goons in this thread, is there any credibility to the claim that the East Palestine burn killed a lady's chickens? Unless she comes back with toxicology reports, I'd be more inclined to believe that it's the bird flu outbreak that's been happening since last year. They've detected it in wild birds all across the country and was one of the main reasons why egg prices spiked the way they did. I don't doubt that they could have died from being exposed to chemicals but given the misinformation and immediate polarization of the narratives surrounding what's happening, I want proof.
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Soviet Space Dog posted:The margin of victory is the difference between the percentages, not the amount above 50%. e.g. Trump got 62% in Alabama, Biden got 37%, so the margin is 25%. If there were only two candidates then the margin of victory would be twice the amount above 50%, but if there's other candidates it increases the margin of victory by the amount that vote for them Yeah, that makes sense. I guess I was using an absolute margin as an index for how large a republican majority could be imagined to be, although obviously all libertarians are reactionaries.
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WarpedLichen posted:https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/firefighters-responding-to-explosion-in-bedford Ohio is just being a forefront example of the consequences of deregulation but it's not unique to them, so there's going to be more
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Improbable coincidences in an infinite universe happen with great frequency, so I wouldn't read much into Ohio aside from rail safety breaking down. It could be that God is punishing Ohio for some unspecified sin, though.
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Last year there were around 3 train derailments a day, which actually represents a historic low. It's just people looking for disasters.
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Morrow posted:It could be that God is punishing Ohio for some unspecified sin, though. Or their actual, well-known and numerous sins, like voting for Republicans over and over again. I'm not saying they deserve it, I'm just saying if it's a vengeful deity loving about, there's reasons.
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Also most of those derailments don’t cause spectacular danger because they were boxcars full of white new balance sneakers or tanks full of corn oil. Maybe if consumer goods burn, they are still carcinogenic, but they don’t burn so well that they make a giant plume visible from low-earth orbit.
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CuddleCryptid posted:People want guns because they don't trust the police which isn't going to help when we start drawing ideological lines and then have to figure out how to enforce those lines. Thing is about... honestly, most mainstream Western politics is that they actively reject the whole concept of material conditions, and believe that if you have people in charge with a certain kind of politics, then the 'logical' results will simply happen. Communists will make all the food disappear and the cars turn into Yugos and the women all ugly, while Captains of Industry will make cars go faster and look cooler, money to appear in the bank accounts of the right kind of people and new gidgets and whizmos materialise to beat the commies and fix the silly little problems like climate change, and sensible reasonable liberals will gently tweak the edges of capitalism but mostly just preside with gentle smiles and grand speeches as history ends and there's no real problems ever again. If you abuse socially acceptable pariahs enough somehow a prosperous society will fall out of them. Etc etc. One reason why it's pretty much impossible to talk about things like deregulation to most people at this point because they've been taught to ignore basic cause and effect and retreat along tribal lines, reciting the answers they've been taught to say and accusing you of being their deluded, evil enemy trying to trick them.
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I learned about Jimmy Carter's Law Day speech from Hunter Thompson's book The Great Shark Hunt and found this short write up and a clip with Hunter about it. https://www.openculture.com/2012/07/hunter_s_thompson_remembers_jimmy_carters_captivating_bob_dylan_speech_1974.html Good book btw. Here's a better write up about it https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/aug/16/endorsement-fear-loathing-20150816/ quote:… many of the people who feel so strongly about keeping Jimmy Carter out of the White House don’t know him at all. And a lot of the people who accuse him of lying, dissembling, waffling and being ‘hazy’ have never bothered to listen very carefully to what he says, or to try reading between the lines now when [he says] … ‘I just want to see us once again with a government that is as honest and truthful and fair and idealistic and compassionate and filled with love as are the American people.’ E 7c Nickel posted:Last year there were around 3 train derailments a day, which actually represents a historic low. It's just people looking for disasters. I was wondering about this and remembering "The Summer of the Shark", where news outlets suddenly went on a binge of reporting shark attacks all over the place. Except the number of shark attacks during that time were the same or even lower than any other time but, in people's heads, it becomes "man, why are there so many shark attacks all of a sudden?" BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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