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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





The vague, "The effect fizzles" right after talking about Armored Scrapgorger had me scratching my head, trying to figure out why Armored Scrapgorger's effect would fizzle.

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Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011

Is there a good umbrella term for statline + combat abilities? There's "body" but that's often used for just stats.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Is there a good umbrella term for statline + combat abilities? There's "body" but that's often used for just stats.

"with upside"

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
I hadn't noticed before that Heliod is getting smaller everytime we see him. Maybe a little something to touch on people losing faith in him?

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



Goa Tse-tung posted:

Blue compleats White on Theros
Red compleats Black on Eldraine


going by the gainlands I assume (if we get a cycle):

Sheoldred compleats either the Reality Chip (would be weird) or Kairi on Kamigawa
Elesh Norn compleats a green Legend on Dominaria
Vorinclex compleats a red Legend on Amonkhet? I thought Hazoret is dead

This tracks but man if Hazoret gets got :argh:

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

I hadn't noticed before that Heliod is getting smaller everytime we see him. Maybe a little something to touch on people losing faith in him?

Nice catch, hadn't noticed that at all.

IIRC he loses to Elspeth in Theros Beyond Death because enough people have either stopped believing in him or switched over to believing in Elspeth such that her weapon (Shadowspear) becomes more real than his.

Then he gets dragged off to deity timeout by Erebos. So maybe he gets out (or set free) by the time the Phyrexians show up but much diminished in both power and adherents, setting him up for easy compleatin.

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

I'm still mad that Shadowspear wasn't called God's End, I mean it was right there

Barry Shitpeas
Dec 17, 2003

there is no need
to be upset

Winner POTM July 2013

Silhouette posted:

I'm still mad that Shadowspear wasn't called God's End, I mean it was right there

the dual meaning was already intended with Godsend

there's probably also a soft ban on homophones for Borborygmos reasons

Dungeon Ecology
Feb 9, 2011

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Is there a good umbrella term for statline + combat abilities? There's "body" but that's often used for just stats.

ive heard the term 'french vanilla' used to describe a creature that is simply a P/T and an evergreen keyword like vigilance or trample.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Barry Shitpeas posted:

the dual meaning was already intended with Godsend

there's probably also a soft ban on homophones for Borborygmos reasons

What the hell is borbbeoyohfnosbroy supposed to be a homophone for? I've never heard anyone say that cards name right and can't do it myself

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Khanstant posted:

What the hell is borbbeoyohfnosbroy supposed to be a homophone for? I've never heard anyone say that cards name right and can't do it myself

Borborygmos vs. Borborygmos Enraged.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Silhouette posted:

I'm still mad that Shadowspear wasn't called God's End, I mean it was right there

It's Shadow's Pear

neaden
Nov 4, 2012

A changer of ways

Jabor posted:

Borborygmos vs. Borborygmos Enraged.

To elaborate there was an infamous incident when someone named Borborygmus with Pithing Needle instead of Borborygmus Enraged which was the only one in the opponents deck. It inspired a rules change that's basically "Cut that poo poo out you know what they mean" so if you name something like "Liliana, the 3 mana one that makes both players discard or sacrifice" it counts.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received
It was a rare case where the shorthand for a relevant card was the name of another legal card. There's nothing stopping you from naming something stupid as heck when choosing a card name. This mostly has its uses in making a spell intentionally wiff or wasting your opponent's stuff when they're mindslaver'd.

The Borb case is blatant angle shooting based on that, though.

Funfact: you can only name cards legal in the format you're playing. You can't pick Mistakes Were Made in a tournament, sadly.

Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

It was a rare case where the shorthand for a relevant card was the name of another legal card. There's nothing stopping you from naming something stupid as heck when choosing a card name. This mostly has its uses in making a spell intentionally wiff or wasting your opponent's stuff when they're mindslaver'd.

The Borb case is blatant angle shooting based on that, though.

Funfact: you can only name cards legal in the format you're playing. You can't pick Mistakes Were Made in a tournament, sadly.

In legacy you can name "Abandon Hope" as you're comboing to a win with cabal therapy though, which is always a classic

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Weird Pumpkin posted:

In legacy you can name "Abandon Hope" as you're comboing to a win with cabal therapy though, which is always a classic

It's also a very convenient card to name on MTGO, because before the D&D set it was the alphabetically first Legacy-legal card, and thus the first thing in the list box where you pick what card you're naming.

Even now it's still on the first page.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Funfact: you can only name cards legal in the format you're playing. You can't pick Mistakes Were Made in a tournament, sadly.
You can
201.4a If a player is instructed to choose a card name with certain characteristics, the player must choose the name of a card whose Oracle text matches those characteristics. (See rule 108.1.)
Example: Dispossess reads, in part, “Choose an artifact card name.” The player can choose the name of any artifact card, even one that’s not legal in the format of the current game. The player can’t choose Island, even if an Island on the battlefield has been turned into artifact by some effect.

The tournament rules on identify cards don't require you to name format-legal cards, but they do state that if there is any confusion about a name you MUST seek clarification

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received
My conclusions are, either they changed it back, or someone lied to me.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Khanstant posted:

What the hell is borbbeoyohfnosbroy supposed to be a homophone for? I've never heard anyone say that cards name right and can't do it myself

Bore-bore-rig-moss

It's the scientific name for the growl your stomach makes when you're hungry.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Forgive me for the art criticism post, but just airing them out.

It just isn't hitting from the previews to me, which is a shame, as ONE was loving great. Trying to put my finger on why, one major one is how little joy there is to be found looking around the more busy illustrations. With ONE you got a lot of small rewards of learning "oh that's ALSO muscle, ew ew ew why is that teeth". Made it fun to pour over.

Looking around this one, there's no personality to enjoy from the elves, or mooks. There's no rewards for pouring over it.




That one is a cool composition, but same kinda bug for me. I kind of wish they had done a bit more fleshing out of the baddies so that you could recognize the creatures we're looking at here. Like if the frontlines here were mites, being led by a Phyrexian Champion, that'd be dope. You'd have a reference point for what the goodies are up against.

Timing wise that'd surely be harder, but it all feels very... disjointed. It doesn't help that the personality quirk of nearly all mtg characters is gritting teeth towards the camera darting into battle.

tl;dr we need more

CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Feb 21, 2023

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

Weird Pumpkin posted:

In legacy you can name "Abandon Hope" as you're comboing to a win with cabal therapy though, which is always a classic

smh if you don't always name You Are Already Dead

whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:
Those arts are likely from the new Battle card type, so I think the lack of detail is intentional

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

I can't wait until we get a card named Battle For Zendikar, because I love cards that are also the titles of old expansions

So far we have Urza's Saga, Mirrodin Besieged, Apocalypse and probably a few others

MOM Aftermath will also hopefully give us Alara Reborn, when Elspeth takes the sylex to Alara and detonates it, making Alara into the five shards again and killing the realmbreaker tree somehow

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002

Silhouette posted:

MOM Aftermath will also hopefully give us Alara Reborn, when Elspeth takes the sylex to Alara and detonates it, making Alara into the five shards again and killing the realmbreaker tree somehow

Tree is probably staying in some fashion so they can move non-planeswalker characters around planes and have stories where the main characters can't just planeswalk themselves out of danger or have to write some stupid reason why they can't just planeswalk themselves out of danger.

Current MTG stories have the Star Trek issue. We need an astro storm to prevent the transporter in every episode.

Mix.
Jan 24, 2021

Huh? What?


CatstropheWaitress posted:



That one is a cool composition, but same kinda bug for me. I kind of wish they had done a bit more fleshing out of the baddies so that you could recognize the creatures we're looking at here. Like if the frontlines here were mites, being led by a Phyrexian Champion, that'd be dope. You'd have a reference point for what the goodies are up against.


you say that, but the alaran side actually has a LOT of references- knight of new alara, mirror-sigil sergeant, windwright mage, what looks to be yurlock, what looks to be nefarox, and ive seven seen some people saying that odd shape in the sky could be lord of extinction

phyrexia not having notable bad guys actively fits the fact that phyrexia is all about assimilation and a loss of identity for all but the most stalwart of mental fortitude- and we already know a lot of the big notable phyrexian characters are elsewhere (jin on kaladesh, elesh seemingly on dominaria, possibly urabrask on eldraine, possibly vorinclex on amonkhet, etc)

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
i'd also argue that the entire ONE set is fleshing out what the good guys are up against

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
we're in magical fantasy land, so anything's technically possible, but are the compleations reversible? jace didn't change much, but nissa? :ohno:

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

Any of a group of colors that are between red and yellow in hue. Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic, from Persian, from Sanskrit.

Definition of lex:

Law. Latin.
My understanding (via reddit, of course) is that it's been pretty explicitly stated that once you go full compleat there's no coming back. It's possible to slow the process, and just barely achievable with much difficulty to even stop it, but not to de-Borg anyone who gets that far. That being said, they've done the timey-wimey thing before so who knows?

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



The Human Crouton posted:

Tree is probably staying in some fashion so they can move non-planeswalker characters around planes and have stories where the main characters can't just planeswalk themselves out of danger or have to write some stupid reason why they can't just planeswalk themselves out of danger.

Current MTG stories have the Star Trek issue. We need an astro storm to prevent the transporter in every episode.

The most likely outcome is someone, probably Teferi (time stuff) and/or Elspeth (deity stuff), does something to "cleanse" realmbreaker and feedback from that cascades to Mirrodin, effectively wiping out all Phyrexians but leaves the tree around to enable all manner of world jumping shenanigans for sufficiently powerful non-planeswalkers.

Is it confirmed that realmbreaker being active stops Planeswalkers from jumping planes?

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

If the tree sticks around, then we'd better get a new Weatherlight, and the next storyline needs to be Jhoira taking a multiversal cruise with the new crew, and a few additions from other planes. Gimme first mate Kari Zev, with Ragavan chilling with Slimefoot

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002

Mat Cauthon posted:

Is it confirmed that realmbreaker being active stops Planeswalkers from jumping planes?

I don't know that, but it at least gives the option to make stories revolve more around non-planeswalker characters and gives them the option to move around.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



god why does Slimefoot and Squee have to be a commander card lmao, i will never get to play it

Mix.
Jan 24, 2021

Huh? What?


orangelex44 posted:

My understanding (via reddit, of course) is that it's been pretty explicitly stated that once you go full compleat there's no coming back. It's possible to slow the process, and just barely achievable with much difficulty to even stop it, but not to de-Borg anyone who gets that far. That being said, they've done the timey-wimey thing before so who knows?

also to be clear a lot about what we know about compleation is for non-planeswalkers, for planeswalkers a lot of poo poo is still theoretical; we know they still have their souls unlike regular folks, and their spark is still active- its been implied that there's a chance the compleated walkers still have their "real" self alive and just not in control of their body anymore, since tezzeret theorizes in one of the side stories that the real ajani is still in his body, just suppressed, but its only a theory of his, no evidence to support it

though for nahiri, uh, she's dead. they used necromancy to reanimate her body but she's gone gone. :v:

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
Compleated Walkers operate under Revenants from Mortal Kombat rules, they still have all their abilities and they are SORT OF themselves, except they are now fully committed to the cause and they are dicks

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Any hints of a possible return to Tarkir any time soon?

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



is that different from what happened to venser

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

It was a rare case where the shorthand for a relevant card was the name of another legal card. There's nothing stopping you from naming something stupid as heck when choosing a card name. This mostly has its uses in making a spell intentionally wiff or wasting your opponent's stuff when they're mindslaver'd.

The Borb case is blatant angle shooting based on that, though.

Funfact: you can only name cards legal in the format you're playing. You can't pick Mistakes Were Made in a tournament, sadly.

At my first side event (INN-RTR standard) I was playing my Door to Nothingness ramp deck and went against U/W control, and I brought in Pithing Needle to stop Snapcaster Mage (because I didn't understand the difference between activated and triggered abilities.)

Nighthand
Nov 4, 2009

what horror the gas

Squee also got compleated and came back due to the power of whatever diety thing was giving him his immortality, though it sounded like a one-and-done thing in that story.

Algid
Oct 10, 2007


Rinkles posted:

Any hints of a possible return to Tarkir any time soon?

We see dragonengine kolaghan in the battle art if that counts.

Mix.
Jan 24, 2021

Huh? What?


CharlieFoxtrot posted:

is that different from what happened to venser

Venser died died too (from a sickness he got in Dominaria) but he gave his spark to save Karn. His body got necromanced too but no soul or spark there

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Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Interesting if MOM is when they introduce battles, just given they're doing Planechase commander 5x suite. Just figured they'd lean into the battles instead of split attention adding back in this major old game/format changing deal.

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