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Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


New Leaf posted:

Yeah an unchanged Surfer deck can win, but it won't dominate like it used to.

I've said it a few times but that Freddybabe's list makes a great Surfer shell where he's not your only win con. Unfortunately Aero, Colleen Wing and Swarm, and either Maximus or Polaris are essential. Otherwise you may as well just build a new deck.

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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Thanos is not meme anymore. You can win with it it's strong and is about a quarter of my opponents now. It gets to T4 leech basically for free.

Psyker
Jun 21, 2004

[Binge and] Purge the xenos!
You know, I’ve been thinking this for a bit and todays update is cementing it - it’s really poor form for them to do any balance adjustments during a season.

You’re fundamentally changing a meta and potentially ruining (or advancing) someone’s progress.

They need to do balance changes when a season starts only unless it’s some critical dominating issue.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Psyker posted:

You know, I’ve been thinking this for a bit and todays update is cementing it - it’s really poor form for them to do any balance adjustments during a season.

You’re fundamentally changing a meta and potentially ruining (or advancing) someone’s progress.

They need to do balance changes when a season starts only unless it’s some critical dominating issue.
What did I miss???

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

New patch is out. A couple of nerfs - Darkhawk to 4/0 - half a dozen buffs including Thanos to 6/11 and Sandman to 5/5 - some wording changes, and the series drops are in.

E: viewing unowned cards now shows silhouettes for Hit-Monkey, Snowguard and Jeff the Baby Land Shark. So they're all coming soon. Jeff is the chase card if he goes live as-is: he's currently a 2/3 that ignores all placement restrictions as long as there's a slot free.

Jedit fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Feb 21, 2023

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Jedit posted:

New patch is out. A couple of nerfs - Darkhawk to 4/0 - half a dozen buffs including Thanos to 6/11 and Sandman to 5/5 - some wording changes, and the series drops are in.
Wow way sooner than I thought it would happen. Do I update, or stay on the old patch and hope I queue vs bots? Decisions.

Buffing thanos now of all times seems completely insane though.

quote:

Adjusted the cost of Klyntar's Symbiote from 1 to 4.
Yes!!!!


Patch notes here: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1997040?emclan=103582791472540034&emgid=3658648424730884872

No Wave fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Feb 21, 2023

Dravs
Mar 8, 2011

You've done well, kiddo.
Thanos gonna be 21 power now when buffed by stones wtf.

Although I guess without the buff I was playing literally any other 6 drop over him, this means I might just drop him on 6 for 11 power now I guess.

Edit: I can see Sandman pushing into the meta as an actual Sera counter now, 5 power means he is not a completely wasted turn.

PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


Sandman Meta incoming

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Dravs posted:

Thanos gonna be 21 power now when buffed by stones wtf.

I think the idea is that he should beat Infinaut.

MrQueasy
Nov 15, 2005

Probiot-ICK
drat it, how do I make this dot go away?



My neuroses!

New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?
I assumed the Deadpool bundle would go live too. Any idea when that hits?

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

New Leaf posted:

I assumed the Deadpool bundle would go live too. Any idea when that hits?

Look at the timer for the Valentine's Day bundles for reference. Should be 10 hours from this post.

Edit: Oh, those two are already gone. Look at the Negative bundle them I guess, calculate when the hours amount will hit 0.

Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Feb 21, 2023

Kooriken
Dec 27, 2012

This thread is beneath my talent, but I....shall elevate it.

MrQueasy posted:

drat it, how do I make this dot go away?



My neuroses!

For me it was in player support. There was a chat opened with messages for some reason after the patch? Looking at it cleared my dot there.

Also I'm cackling that Thanos is now 11 power. Now he's decent even without the Stones buff. Not as good as even hulk say, but you might actually play him without assembling exodia now.

kaschei
Oct 25, 2005

Turn 5 enemy plays cloak, turn 6 he moves vulture and I valkyrie the lane with cloak. Valkyrie hits vulture, then vulture gets buffed afterwards?

Do cards not move until their controller is doing his reveal?

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Dravs posted:

Thanos gonna be 21 power now when buffed by stones wtf.

Although I guess without the buff I was playing literally any other 6 drop over him, this means I might just drop him on 6 for 11 power now I guess.

Edit: I can see Sandman pushing into the meta as an actual Sera counter now, 5 power means he is not a completely wasted turn.

When I got Ronan, I tried a Sandman/Ronan/Zola deck and it worked much better than I was expecting. Which is to say not well, but not a total catastrophe. That was also the week that MODOK was released. With Sandman getting buffed and Sera and Deathwave decks all over the meta, I'm definitely going to give it another spin.

!!!Whoa, they also changed the Sakaar location. It now pulls a card after the turn.

Edit: except instead of Sandman being 4/5 like I thought, now he's 5/5 and this doesn't work at all. Oh dear.

Maneck fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Feb 21, 2023

The Sean
Apr 17, 2005

Am I handsome now?


Spiderwoman 5/7 -> 5/8 gently caress yeah.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

The Sean posted:

Spiderwoman 5/7 -> 5/8 gently caress yeah.

With her zap the potential for a 5/12 is pretty awesome

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011
Spiderwoman was already an excellent card. I wonder what they were seeing to spur that change.

MrQueasy
Nov 15, 2005

Probiot-ICK

Kooriken posted:

For me it was in player support. There was a chat opened with messages for some reason after the patch? Looking at it cleared my dot there.

Oh thank god. Thanks for the help, op.

The Sean
Apr 17, 2005

Am I handsome now?


priznat posted:

With her zap the potential for a 5/12 is pretty awesome

Definitely. And 5/20 with Odin :getin:


Maneck posted:

Spiderwoman was already an excellent card. I wonder what they were seeing to spur that change.

She's awesome but I very rarely have anyone play her against me. I'm guessing this is not anecdote = data and that she maybe just doesn't get used much.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
Two big location changes are Sakaar now puts a card on END of turn, not on reveal. So now you can try to "game" it.
And the Symbiote from Klyntar is now a 4 cost, thank God. I always avoided that location before turn 4 because I just assumed I'd get my big-boi Killmonger-ed.

canyonero
Aug 3, 2006
Is Sakaar just Grand Center except t4 now? Oh right Sakaar is this turn, hence the possibility of gaming it.

I've had Thanos pinned since completing pool 3 and I just need that Deadpool bundle to go live to get the tokens needed to buy him.

kaschei
Oct 25, 2005

canyonero posted:

Is Sakaar just Grand Center except t4 now?
It happens at the end of whatever turn it reveals. At the latest without Witch or Westview that makes it more like turn 3 Grand Central.

BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011

quote:

Absorbing Man’s effect can now be doubled by effects like Wong, Kamar Taj, and Odin.

This could be good news for something like the Hazmat deck.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

BoldFace posted:

This could be good news for something like the Hazmat deck.

Yeah, this one is gonna do work. Abs Man was good before but this is gonna be wild.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Is shuri still a top acquisition priority y'all think?

I have her pinned. Seems like she still is going to be pretty good.

sirtommygunn
Mar 7, 2013



I thought Helicarrier was dropping from p5 to p4 so I went ahead and bought it for 3k when I saw it in the store today, fool that I am.

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
im sorry for your loss of tokens

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Xguard86 posted:

Is shuri still a top acquisition priority y'all think?

I have her pinned. Seems like she still is going to be pretty good.

No changes to Shuri so yeah, she's still excellent and worth the get.

Thanos at 11 power is real good for those times when you get him from the raft for 0 cost since you don't get the stones too.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

Xguard86 posted:

Is shuri still a top acquisition priority y'all think?

I have her pinned. Seems like she still is going to be pretty good.

The Shuri's still out on this one.

the_american_dream
Apr 12, 2008

GAHDAMN

Onehandclapping posted:

# (1) Sunspot
# (2) Psylocke
# (3) Electro
# (4) Jubilee
# (4) Sandman
# (5) Aero
# (5) Gamora
# (5) Doctor Octopus
# (6) Doctor Doom
# (6) Odin
# (6) Magneto
# (6) Giganto
#
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#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.

I get a big kick out of ramp in this game, and this is the current one i'm using, but I rode a variation to rank 90 last season before I got bored of the grind. The game plan is simple, play a couple little guys to ramp, then a big top end stuffed with flashy effects and big bodies. Sandman Psylocke and Aero are the current tech spots, since sandman crushes a lot of decks and Aero combos with him and odin to force an opponent to one lane for 2 turns. Psylocke is ramp, but she's bad ramp and a bad body, so you can replace her with any 2 drop of choice, probably scorpion, and see probably the same results. Cosmo and killmonger do good work as tech cards, but shang-chi is a no go since he's so awkward to play into your curve. Leech can go in aero's spot, but I find he's often too little power for when you play him.

Mandatory cards are jubilee and electro, since they're the premium ramp cards in this game, although jubilee is full casino so it's important that the deck have a critical mass of 7+ cards with 5+ value. Electro wants something similar, with a mix of slightly more 6 drops to 5 drops, since you want to play a 5 drop turn 4, then two 6 drops on turn 5 & 6. Doctor Doom feels pretty mandatory as far as the 6 drop slot is concerned, since he puts a ridiculous amount of spread power, and can be odin'd for a ridiculous amount of spread power. Sunspot's just a good body, since you'll often have dead turns and he makes use of them.

As for the ramp to cards, Gamora's a big body that's occasionally huge, and Doc Ock is a goofy fun tech that tends to completely wreck either you or the opponent, but plays really well into a lot of locations and will crush galactus and discard decks. Both are replaceable, and I find vision and captain marvel do very good work, and devil dino will consistently be between 9 to 11 power at the end of the game.

Dr. Doom is an insane 6 drop, and odin's extremely good as a combo card with aero and doom and jubilee. Magneto is usually just a better hulk, but can just be replaced by the hulk. Giganto is also basically a better hulk, but can be replaced by the hulk or infinaut. America Chavez also slots in to any of these spots, since she makes drawing your ramp slightly more consistent and makes jubilee always have a good hit pre-6. Leader is fine, but inconsistent and doesn't play well with jubilee.

Ramp's a ton of fun in Snap, I highly recommend giving it a go.

This deck has worked pretty well, thanks for the post. Subbed in Domino/America as my consistency (and I dont have Giganto) and Vision for Gamora

DurosKlav
Jun 13, 2003

Enter your name pilot!

New Leaf posted:

I assumed the Deadpool bundle would go live too. Any idea when that hits?

I assume tonight at 9 central or tomorrow night when the daily stuff resets.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Funny that they buff Thanos right as the Thanos Lockjaw deck starts appearing near the top of the meta.

Not that Thanos himself was that great, but I think they'll have to do some retuning on the stones at some point. Making them 1/0s or some such.

Big Mouth Billy Basshole
Jun 18, 2007

Fun Shoe
I think they mentioned the balance change were made a couple weeks ago, but didn't get deployed until now. It'll be interesting to see if they make another update to him soon if it gets out of control.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
I'm about 1k gold away from the 3200 needed for Birthpool hopefully I can hit it. I'm a couple levels away from the lvl 49 500 gold on the pass and with the weekly missions I should be able to get it!

canyonero
Aug 3, 2006
Couple small items from the patch related to complaints I've read here:
- Mysterio's Illusions use your variant art
- Pro Bundle moved to the bottom of the shop page

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

I'm surprised there's not really an in-game call to attention on cards changing. I tried using Leader in a few games recently after not using him for a while. He seemed to be broken somehow, not doing anything half the time or only partially copying my opponents play instead of all of them. I eventually noticed they changed his ability text, he only copies one location now.

It would be nice if there was a dota style system that highlighted cards that were difference since you last played them, both in deck construction and in-match.

I R SMART LIKE ROCK
Mar 10, 2003

I just want a hug.

Fun Shoe

canyonero posted:

Couple small items from the patch related to complaints I've read here:
- Mysterio's Illusions use your variant art
- Pro Bundle moved to the bottom of the shop page

thank gently caress, I know it minor but always bothered me

Geekslinger
Jan 30, 2005

Sandman buff is definitely going to see an increase in play to battle a lot of the turn 6 dump decks like Deathwave.

Chonky deck is going to really start shining now.

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AzureFlame
Nov 26, 2009
For Thanos they also added animations at the start of the game of the gems entering your deck. It's one by one, kind of jank, and takes too long.

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