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mcmagic posted:Derek Carr is way better than Jones man. Career stats sure, but he absolutely was not better this past season and I think a lot of people are judging Daniel Jones as if he's still his fumble prone self from three years ago and not one of the more efficient, lowest turnover qbs in the league that he was under Daboll this year. All of the advanced stats out there have some issues but if you look at EPA, QBR, whatever, he was very good this year. Jones needs to get better at reading defenses post snap and being more aggressive downfield but when surrounded by the absolute dogshit he had outside this year I can't blame him for not trusting them either. But I'm willing to bet on 25 year old Jones continuing to trend upward if he's not surrounded by the worst skill group in the NFL over 31 year old Carr who has gotten worse two years running while playing with two first team all pros though
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Nervous posted:Does Jets Super Bowl MVP Derek Carr get him into the hall with a single ring? Worked for Joe Namath
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Iodised QQ posted:Career stats sure, but he absolutely was not better this past season and I think a lot of people are judging Daniel Jones as if he's still his fumble prone self from three years ago and not one of the more efficient, lowest turnover qbs in the league that he was under Daboll this year. All of the advanced stats out there have some issues but if you look at EPA, QBR, whatever, he was very good this year. no im pretty sure they're judging him having competent coaching who accentuates his strengths and did not try to force a square peg into a round hole, in 2021 derek carr's head coach got fired for doing a racism and his #1 WR murdered someone after having the best start to a season in his career. still made the playoffs with his #1 receiver being Hunter Renfrow, in 2022 josh mcdaniels was running a system that was ineffective and took away the ability to audible which still loving baffles me, especially when carr is better when he has the ability to change the play at the line. derek carr isn't an amazing qb, but he is certainly good, and definitely better than daniel jones is. source: i watched every single raiders game in 2021 and 2022, kill me
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Iodised QQ posted:But I'm willing to bet on 25 year old Jones continuing to trend upward if he's not surrounded by the worst skill group in the NFL over 31 year old Carr who has gotten worse two years running while playing with two first team all pros though Carr had three different coaches in those two years and his “down” year last year is better than any year Jones has had. Daniel Jones sucks. He threw 15 TDs in this, his amazing breakout year. He didn’t turn the ball over as much because they simply stopped asked him to do a bunch of things an NFL QB should be able to do.
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Iodised QQ posted:Career stats sure, but he absolutely was not better this past season and I think a lot of people are judging Daniel Jones as if he's still his fumble prone self from three years ago and not one of the more efficient, lowest turnover qbs in the league that he was under Daboll this year. All of the advanced stats out there have some issues but if you look at EPA, QBR, whatever, he was very good this year. Jones isn't in anyway, anywhere near close to being a QB like Carr is. Hope this helps.
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Nervous posted:Every time I try to go and remember all four teams in the NFC South I can only remember three of them for about ten seconds. I'm the same way with the AFC South.
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wandler20 posted:I'm the same way with the AFC South.
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wandler20 posted:I'm the same way with the AFC South. I’m a big idiot and this is me for both souths
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Professor Funk posted:Let’s not say anything rash now It was a good move by the Jets having MrLogan do their sales pitch.
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The Jets have also told Aaron Rodgers that he will be a first ballot hall of famer if he comes to the Jets.
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Iodised QQ posted:Career stats sure, but he absolutely was not better this past season and I think a lot of people are judging Daniel Jones as if he's still his fumble prone self from three years ago and not one of the more efficient, lowest turnover qbs in the league that he was under Daboll this year. All of the advanced stats out there have some issues but if you look at EPA, QBR, whatever, he was very good this year. lol if you cherry pick some of the stats he looks good!!!
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there's not really anything wrong with using peoples' most recent seasons to compare them as current players but i disagree that jones is better than carr based on that. there isn't enough there to glue it down and start talking about how these 6.8 yards per attempt are better than these 7 because the one guy wasn't trying to do as much with his arm and was rewarded for it in the stats that i like to look at, etc.
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Sataere posted:It was a good move by the Jets having MrLogan do their sales pitch. If it was up to me, he'd still be on the Raiders. 
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Kinda feels like the Jets and Packers are negotiating with targeted leaks while they wait. https://twitter.com/calijets/status/1628419017882091520?s=46&t=DcBXErlGIUJUj8quAgYfkQ
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Diva Cupcake posted:Kinda feels like the Jets and Packers are negotiating with targeted leaks while they wait. I keep coming back to thinking why would Rodgers want to come play for the Jets and follow in Favre's footsteps, a guy he hates.
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I'd be fine taking Jordan Love off their hands, too!
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Professor Funk posted:I'd be fine taking Jordan Love off their hands, too! I think I would too. But what are you giving them for him? That is a weird trade for a guy who is 3 years into his career without ever having played at all.
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mcmagic posted:I think I would too. But what are you giving them for him? That is a weird trade for a guy who is 3 years into his career without ever having played at all. No clue, but not a ton. A 2nd or 3rd rounder? It would definitely be a weird trade, but it's an interesting middle ground option IMO.
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Professor Funk posted:No clue, but not a ton. A 2nd or 3rd rounder? It would definitely be a weird trade, but it's an interesting middle ground option IMO. He's a way better option than anyone who isn't Carr or Lamar assuming that Rodgers isn't available. I think someone might give them a 1 for him though with all the other bad options plus him being dirt cheap this year.
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Professor Funk posted:No clue, but not a ton. A 2nd or 3rd rounder? It would definitely be a weird trade, but it's an interesting middle ground option IMO. Probably the best option for the Jets if they can't get Carr and Rodgers is off the market
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Black Lighter posted:Probably the best option for the Jets if they can't get Carr and Rodgers is off the market Might even be a better option than Carr in some respects, tbqh.
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Professor Funk posted:Might even be a better option than Carr in some respects, tbqh. At the very least, he has more familiarity with the system than Carr and he still has a couple more years on his rookie deal. I'd still go with Carr just because there are way too many unanswered questions about Love, tho.
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Black Lighter posted:At the very least, he has more familiarity with the system than Carr and he still has a couple more years on his rookie deal. I'd still go with Carr just because there are way too many unanswered questions about Love, tho. He only has one more year.
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Sataere posted:He only has one more year. Wouldn't there be a fifth-year option on his deal, tho?
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Minshew is a better option than Jordan Love.
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I don’t think we’ve seen enough of Jordan Love to say that definitively.
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Every plugged in Packers beat guy just said the team has basically moved on so this just seems like an attempt at regaining some leverage?
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I don’t think they need leverage. People are going to bid for Rodgers the Packers can’t afford to just release him
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Minshew is a better option than Jordan Love. I know for 100% sure that Minshew isn't an NFL starting QB.
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Be careful mcmagic people get mad at pointing that out
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mcmagic posted:I know for 100% sure that Minshew isn't an NFL starting QB.
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Love played well in an extremely small sample size and extremely small sample sizes have never benefited a GB QB
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CharlestheHammer posted:Love played well in an extremely small sample size and extremely small sample sizes have never benefited a GB QB
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don’t think they need leverage. People are going to bid for Rodgers the Packers can’t afford to just release him I think it’s the Jets, Packers, or retirement.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I disagree and think he's better than a bunch of people that got significant starting snaps this year, but I'm biased so I would take him over a complete unknown like Love who probably isnt any good. Minshew can start 2 games for you in a season as a spot starter and not completely embarrass himself. If you go into a season giving him 17 starts that seems like a good way to win 4 games.
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Black Lighter posted:Wouldn't there be a fifth-year option on his deal, tho? I am dumb. I keep forgetting he's a first rounder.
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The backup market will be interesting to watch. Jameis, Mariota, Baker, Darnold, Brissett, Lock, Wentz, Heinicke, Teddy, Dalton, Minshew, Pro Bowler Huntley, Rush. I'd imagine a lot of these guys will be on the move other than maybe Huntley, Darnold, or Rush.
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Sataere posted:I am dumb. I keep forgetting he's a first rounder. No shame in that. Given how little action he's seen, he definitely doesn't feel like a first rounder
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