BRJurgis posted:

I would believe in society, I used to so much. I used to be jr captain America votescold and somehow never got my rear end kicked telling cars and basements full of sometimes dangerous (fellow) burnouts and criminals that they couldnt complain if they didn't try to fix things. I worked a manufacturing job and my minor ascension ended not when I quit, but when my boss (absolutely correctly) told me the work I was focusing on was a waste of time because although it was necessary to improve things, it was not matched before or after me, and therefor meaningless, and I had to work with what I had.

I could believe again, but for the terrible cost of our extraction consumption and exploitation. Not enough people take personal responsibility, and the ones who do become... unhealthy. What is left but laughing into the void?

I haven't give up paying attention, trying to stay informed and educate myself enough to spread the word. But academia on a wholly restructured understanding of global power is, sadly, merely content for posters. It's increasingly only useful to me as a method of highlighting the failures of the world we currently face.

Honestly I think the idea that I could participate in building (nevermind enjoy) a better world is toxic positivity hubris. We're pretty lucky here in the heart of the last peak of material comfort... but not that lucky. So how could I sincerely identify with anything aside from "not this, at all cost, cuz it's already costing everything"

Edit: OK I'm over that, gonna try to reconcile marvel supervillians with mfdoom already existing (don't even wanna get into pop culture Thanos appreciation).

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

i used to think i would grow out of procrastination, but here i am watching youtuber videos of some eastern european guy play world of warships instead of finishing my grant application

BRJurgis posted:

I think the conversation has moved on in USCE, but what does one call oneself if they recognize none of the better things can be built in their lifetime, and more than likely dying to make way for said better things is the best they can hope for (if they insist on hoping for better things *gestures at climate change*).
Like, destruction bad creation good is a pretty commonly held belief, but if one recognizes that what we have is unacceptable and all avenues of reform are laughable, what can they call themselves but a comic book supervillian?

BRJurgis posted:

You know what.

I never saw the joker and all the best parts of the fifth element must be the ones I forgot.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The Fifth Element was also historic because it started the decades long trend of Luc Besson and Paul W.S. Anderson making a movie and casting their current wife/girlfriend in the movie and forcing the scriptwriter to write new long explicit nude scenes or rape scenes starring them.

I think literally every single one of their movies from 1992 through 2006 included Milla Jovovich or Anne Parillaud doing inexplicable nude scenes in the middle of a movie that otherwise had none.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

a person late to their weekly therapist visit

Elephant Ambush posted:

I'm really glad you're not a mod anymore because you're a huge piece of poo poo

Epic High Five posted:

national level poo poo is a black pit of despair, do stuff locally and you actually meet comrades and expand your horizons that way, and get some actual things done that you can turn around in your head as something real. Every one of those resolution signers and DRILL BABY DRILL people are going to be coming to you begging bowl in hand come election time, just slide that on over to the spam folder and continue becoming the socialist terror of town halls and council meetings (just don't be a goon, a good rapport and being able to comport yourself are very seriously in need of skills in all sectors but especially in being a huge commie out loud)

That's because procrastination rules.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Sounds like either depression or "Joker is actually a super profound movie, dude" syndrome.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

a person late to their weekly therapist visit

Pirate Radar posted:

I don’t agree with it but I don’t think it needs to be classed as a symptom of something, or as… whatever the second thing is.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's a joke because the Joker spawned a bunch of people who said it awakened the inner nihilism in them.

If you want to read thousands of words from a 17-year old explaining how they finally have it all figured out, then search "Joker Philosopher" or "Fight Club" on Reddit or Letterbox.

Gumball Gumption posted:

What are you talking about? "Oh you feel alienated from society? Maybe try therapy lol" is a great joke that really kills it here in D&D. That's why multiple people piled in to make it, it's a warm hearted knee slapper.

Lib and let die posted:

Palahniuk was right about some things, and an incredible retard on a lot of things. "The things you own end up owning you" is something that I took from Fight Club, but the book would have been so much better and way less red-pilly than it ultimately ended up being. Palahniuk is a fascinating living study on how someone can both understand materialism and class struggle but still take a hard right turn into "the problem is that the traditional male role of strength has been erased in the modern world"

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The book isn't red pill-y. It's the opposite and about toxic masculinity ruining your life.

Many many people just took the extremely wrong message away.

The whole point of the book and movie is that Tyler Durden is bad and wrong.

quote:

Of course, "Fight Club" itself does not advocate Durden's philosophy. It is a warning against it, I guess; one critic I like says it makes "a telling point about the bestial nature of man and what can happen when the numbing effects of day-to-day drudgery cause people to go a little crazy." I think it's the numbing effects of movies like this that cause people go to a little crazy. Although sophisticates will be able to rationalize the movie as an argument against the behavior it shows, my guess is that audience will like the behavior but not the argument. Certainly they'll buy tickets because they can see Pitt and Norton pounding on each other; a lot more people will leave this movie and get in fights than will leave it discussing Tyler Durden's moral philosophy. The images in movies like this argue for themselves, and it takes a lot of narration (or Narration) to argue against them.

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In many ways, it's like Fincher's movie "The Game" (1997), with the violence cranked up for teenage boys of all ages. That film was also about a testing process in which a man drowning in capitalism (Michael Douglas) has the rug of his life pulled out from under him and has to learn to fight for survival. I admired "The Game" much more than "Fight Club" because it was really about its theme, while the message in "Fight Club" is like bleeding scraps of Socially Redeeming Content thrown to the howling mob.

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The movie is visceral and hard-edged, with levels of irony and commentary above and below the action. If it had all continued in the vein explored in the first act, it might have become a great film. But the second act is pandering and the third is trickery, and whatever Fincher thinks the message is, that's not what most audience members will get. "Fight Club" is a thrill ride masquerading as philosophy--the kind of ride where some people puke and others can't wait to get on again.

Lib and let die posted:

/sigh

vox is right.

Epic High Five posted:

I don't know if it was okay before, but I'll clarify now that despite being a thread to hang back and shoot the poo poo, the r-word is still forbidden and actionable.

The funniest thing about Fight Club is how poorly the central premise has aged as the audience for it has shrunk. To me, it's about the perils of responding to a crushing lack of purpose by becoming a small business owner living in a detached home and becoming a terrorist as a result.

Epic High Five posted:

I don't know if it was okay before, but I'll clarify now that despite being a thread to hang back and shoot the poo poo, the r-word is still forbidden and actionable.

The funniest thing about Fight Club is how poorly the central premise has aged as the audience for it has shrunk. To me, it's about the perils of responding to a crushing lack of purpose by becoming a small business owner living in a detached home and becoming a terrorist as a result.

Lib and let die posted:

I learned it by watching Fritz!

Professor Beetus posted:

Matty boy might be the absolute dumbest person on twitter, if you're willing to discount guys with classical bust pfps and crypto bros.

Lib and let die posted:

i have a twitter account

Lib and let die posted:

I learned it by watching Fritz!

Fritz the Horse posted:

wait what did i do

Fritz the Horse posted:

re: tech forum ban purge

play stupid games (call the tech dude a retard who should die because he wasn't sure about using a copyrighted image for a thread vote rating), win stupid prizes

cinci zoo sniper posted:

it's borsch, but borshch is also fine i guess. the word is борщ in ukrainian, whereas a t in ukrainian looks like т, and may be conspicuously absent from the name of the soup named after one of its origianl ingredients, hogweed – борщівник

the spelling most commonly used by americans, in my experience, is from yiddish, rather than any of the slavic languages. and still mangled i think, because iirc that version of the word transliterates to borsht

Lib and let die posted:

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

in that case going forward i will reference the dish as borsht in memory of my yiddish speaking ancestors who would be very disappointed and confused by how i somehow turned out as an atheist catholic instead of a non-practicing jew

in one of those weird coincidences, one of the cooking channels i follow put out a video on the topic that i saw right after this discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DPu-Ve_luU

it makes me curious about the inclusion of salo, i've never used it or a substitute in my borsht. maybe i should go nuts and try to source some and include this rye bread kvas that's also mentioned

cinci zoo sniper posted:

speaking of weird coincidences, i created an instagram account recently and literally the first person i got recommended to follow was... my hs english teacher lol. ive denied permissions to contacts etc, so it beats me how im actually getting this recommendation, since i've changed phone numbers, emails, etc since the last we were in contact either. i guess this is some cursed poo poo where someone on fb has a photo with the two of us appearing in the frame of some school event, and it spiders out from there. which is to say that i can't wait for all the lined up eu regulatory changes to go through properly, so that it can get pounded into sand by every ms regulator, rather than just the ireland (which very peculiarly tries to push forward big investigations without fulfilling the hiring slots for people organizationally prescribed to run them)

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

would it be worse if you were completely anonymous and the algorithm just decided you probably into hs english teachers?