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I'm not familiar with him specifically but Giordano studied under Jusepe de Ribera. Much like Giordano's Chilon, Ribera did many paintings of "wise men" such as philosophers and saints, and his models for these were normal peasants and old men. He was known for not shying away from ugliness—wrinkles, fat, and dirt were depicted in a raw style. Sure Chiron looks ugly, but that reinforces the idea that he's a man who's lived a long life, experienced much and isn't concerned with his own beauty.
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They found a Roman dildo in England
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Locally produced dildos not good enough then?
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Ok so the question is what did the ancients use for lube?
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Fish sauce obviously
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Olive oil 
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Lawman 0 posted:Ok so the question is what did the ancients use for lube? Probably olive oil. It was everywhere, safe, and fairly cheap. Rome has to this day a dump of ancient smashed olive oil jars in the form of a 100+ foot tall hill. I doubt all of that oil ended up in cookery/lighting/whatever.
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Alhazred posted:Locally produced dildos not good enough then? Gotta get that blue glass dildo
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a fatguy baldspot posted:They found a Roman dildo in England Odd that Nigel Farage was actually in the British Isles for once
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Doing my dissertation on sniffing out the molecular traces of ancient lube on a wooden dildo.
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Lawman 0 posted:Doing my dissertation on sniffing out the molecular traces of ancient lube on a wooden dildo. Make it comparative and you might be able to check out the worlds second largest ancient dildo collection at the musuem of London.
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Telsa Cola posted:Make it comparative and you might be able to check out the worlds second largest ancient dildo collection at the musuem of London. What's the biggest collection?
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Lawman 0 posted:What's the biggest collection? Yer mum?
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Telsa Cola posted:Make it comparative and you might be able to check out the worlds second largest ancient dildo collection at the musuem of London.
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Lawman 0 posted:What's the biggest collection? Crab Dad posted:Yer mum? It is indeed your mother.
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https://twitter.com/OptimoPrincipi/status/1628346765983219714
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https://twitter.com/cwjones89/status/1628442027225452546
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So after I asked my question the other day I realized that I was in dire need of seeing that HBO show Rome. I marathonned through it in like five days, part of them being a weekend. I know it's not entirely historically accurate but boy were we robbed by them not greenlighting more seasons. If I wanted to find more shows like that about that part of the world and generally that wide timeframe/era what should I check out?
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chainchompz posted:So after I asked my question the other day I realized that I was in dire need of seeing that HBO show Rome. I marathonned through it in like five days, part of them being a weekend. Spartacus, your gonna think the first ep or so is trash. Stick with it, it's incredible.
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chainchompz posted:So after I asked my question the other day I realized that I was in dire need of seeing that HBO show Rome. I marathonned through it in like five days, part of them being a weekend. Barbarians is pretty good, its set in Germany during the reign of Augustus. A classic is I, Claudius, about the emperor Claudius starting from his childhood. I, Claudius is produced a lot like a theater production, all indoors, but it has extremely high quality acting.
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Seconding the recs for Spartacus and I, Claudius. Former is extremely fun melodramatic shlock (only as a positive thing) and latter is very interesting take on early principate. Like said, I, Claudius is very bare boned character and dialogue driven series, but you really don't miss big battles and set pieces because it's all about politicking in the end. And it works well as an continuation of HBOs Rome, even if Brian Blessed's Augustus has grown a heart at some point. It also makes use of the old idea of scheming Livia but HBOs Rome laid some groundwork for it so it doesn't come as sudden surprise. There's also the new Italian series Romulus but I haven't seen it yet. Apparently it takes a note from Barbarians where the characters speak Latin which is always cool approach even if real Romans wouldn't have understood the mangled language used by modern actors. It's the feel that's important in my opinion. But dunno if the series is what you are looking because unlike 99% of Roman media, it's about the founding of Rome, not the imperial period.
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There was also a British show two years ago, Domina, about Augustus' wife Livia. There's a lot of scheming, but Octavian and Agrippa are much more lovely about it than any of the women. The first season dealt with her (and his) rise to power, and it's supposed to come back for a second season some time this year. It's been too long since I've seen I Claudius, but I think they kind of glossed over Agrippa. I think I remember Brian Blessed mourning his death? Domina gives him a solid sidekick role. I've always like the concept of having an Agrippa. Just a stand up guy you can rely on to become consul or whatever else is needed to keep up the appearance of a republic still existing
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CrypticFox posted:Barbarians is pretty good, its set in Germany during the reign of Augustus. I don't know how historically accurate this one is but I'll second the recommendation. It's about the rebellion under Arminius - he's the protagonist of the show - and they actually have the Romans speaking Latin in every scene. And the Germans speaking German! (it's a german production) There's a second season, I haven't watched yet. Also Britannia, which is about the Roman invasion of Britain, but that one's got druidic magic and poo poo so I wouldn't vouch for its accuracy, but it is a good show.
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zoux posted:I don't know how historically accurate this one is but I'll second the recommendation. It's about the rebellion under Arminius - he's the protagonist of the show - and they actually have the Romans speaking Latin in every scene. And the Germans speaking German! (it's a german production) There's a second season, I haven't watched yet. Also Britannia, which is about the Roman invasion of Britain, but that one's got druidic magic and poo poo so I wouldn't vouch for its accuracy, but it is a good show. the accuracy is abysmal, don't go to it for much of anything beyond the core events. Characters are aged, de-aged, moved around, backstories changed, etc. the first season was fine as far as show goes, i have not watched the second though. chainchompz posted:So after I asked my question the other day I realized that I was in dire need of seeing that HBO show Rome. I marathonned through it in like five days, part of them being a weekend. What Rome did perfectly was make it Authentic. All of the sets, the costumes, diction, and weird details are accurate to life in ancient Rome, as near as we can approximate it. They nailed the legion's equipment, they get the stuff like the tiny votive statues right, the painted buildings, weird poo poo like sacrificing the bull, etc. They obviously changed history around in regards to characters and stuff, like Pompey was not 25 years older than Ceasar, and we don't really know much about Atia or Servilla beyond their names and one or two events. WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 23, 2023 |
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The weird one to me is Cicero and Cato being age swapped for some reason.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Cato is better represented to modern sensibilities as a crotchety old coot e: it's the authenticity vs accuracy thing again, like they want to us to understand Cato as a relic of the old republic, staid and hidebound, and modern audiences are going to respond more to an older actor in a role like that. A younger actor would just come across as an rear end in a top hat, and while Cato the Younger is certainly an rear end in a top hat, there's a difference between a middle aged rear end in a top hat and a very old rear end in a top hat. It's like in Deadwood, no they didn't say motherfucker and cocksucker constantly in 1880 they considered oaths like "poo poo" and "crap" to be equivalent to motherfucker but that wouldn't come across to a modern audience. So in a case like that, striving for accuracy would actually detract from the piece, rather than add to it. (Deadwood has probably the most stylized dialogue of any modern production I can think of so it goes beyond just that, but it's a deliberate choice to exaggerate the profanity, and not just for shock value) zoux fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 23, 2023 |
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Hot take, I don't think upper class British accents are a good localization of "just all Romans" for modern English. I'd rather they just do absolute chaos like Death of Stalin, or actually think about what accents would localize for different classes/positions. Failing that, just give everybody thick Jersey Shore accents. They're Italian after all.
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Obviously it should be voice acted with a mix of Bolivians as well
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Romans spoke latin so they should use latin American actors
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John Leguizamo: "And Brutus said that Caesar was hosed up, and Brutus is cool right?"
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zoux posted:Cato is better represented to modern sensibilities as a crotchety old coot He's probably approve of that depiction, in fact.
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to be clear i don't think all historical shows should be 100% slavishly accurate, but the other day a buddy of mine asked about the historical accuracy of that Britannia show. So i just did and image search for the Romans in the show and, well, Leather Lorica Segmentata was a first. This kind of poo poo drives me crazy because you cannot tell me they could not get the metal stuff.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:He's probably approve of that depiction, in fact. yeah being utterly ancient so he could be a dick with no consequences like cato the elder was what cato the younger aspired to from the age of like, 15
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zoux posted:Cato is better represented to modern sensibilities as a crotchety old coot I dunno, making Cato old takes away from a pretty important aspect of who he was, which is a guy trying to restore political order by reverting to an idealized and largely illusory vision of past generations. Whereas old Cicero trying to chart some sort of middle course works just fine.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:you cannot tell me they could not get the metal stuff.
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I agree with the authenticity vs. accuracy thing with regards to interpretation but I also like it when a production just goes whole-hog on accuracy, like the VVitch, a movie that answers the question "what if 17th Century Puritans made a horror movie?" and absolutely rules.
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If filmmakers can't decide between church Latin and upper class English when making Roman media, they should compromise and just hire Romanian speakers!
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Glah posted:If filmmakers can't decide between church Latin and upper class English when making Roman media, they should compromise and just hire Romanian speakers! Actually one of the filmmakers should abscond to Constantinople and make his own movie in the proper Greek.
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FishFood posted:VVitch, a movie that answers the question "what if 17th Century Puritans made a horror movie?" and absolutely rules. I usually watch American movies with english subtitles even if it isn't my native language because I know english well enough and the subtitles help with bad sound mixing and more difficult accents. But like 10 mins into VVitch I said gently caress it I don't have a clue what these people are saying and changed the subtitles into my native language. It's the translators problem now. Excellent film tho!
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There's an aspect of "impressionism" to some of these things and trying to recreate the ideas represented by the stories if not do them exactly. Which can be a mixed bag depending on what you're looking to express and how good you are at depicting it. 2018 Robin Hood famously took a lot of liberties in reimagining Robin's time in the crusades through the lens of like the modern Iraq War (or probably more like Call of Duty's interpretation of modern war), and it was...kinda amazing, but also pretty dumb. I hear the overall movie was pretty bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZQqp-tO8J4 Tulip posted:Hot take, I don't think upper class British accents are a good localization of "just all Romans" for modern English. I'd rather they just do absolute chaos like Death of Stalin, or actually think about what accents would localize for different classes/positions. Failing that, just give everybody thick Jersey Shore accents. They're Italian after all. I'd like to maybe see a historical take that focuses on American accents, although the American film industry is less used to using accents as a proxy for demonstrating social statuses.
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