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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

at first i was like "why the hell wouldn't they make a trainer model" but then i was like

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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



The KF-21 doesn't exist because of a need for F-35s, it exists because the US wouldn't sell them the F-22. That's the capability they're gunning for, not the export approved economy model

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
Germany again holding up military exports, this time A400M.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/airbus-defence-arm-says-berlin-delaying-exports-worth-billions-2023-02-19/

It's not clear who they're taking about. Kazakhstan and Indonesia have previously confirmed orders but deliveries are due 2024 & 2026 respectively. If it's new countries, it's a good sign that with platform maturity, it's turning out to be a useful platform and not a elephant too big and expensive to succeed in numbers. Everyone really needs it to succeed enough to keep the production line going until the original operators wear out their originals and come back for more.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Lucid Dream posted:

Someone used the command !chron World War 2 Air Dogs and a minute later we watched this:
https://clips.twitch.tv/AnimatedTardyNightingaleWoofer-cn_K4Z0xm2t3NPh6

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Pablo Bluth posted:

I was speaking generally. Korea already have 40 F-35As. They're one of a bunch of countries who have experienced the F-35 programme first hand and seem to have decided they don't want to be dependant on the US for the next gen.

UK+Japan+Italy, Korea, Spain+Germany and Turkey are all F-35 operators (or would be in the case of Turkey) who are publicly developing next-gen fighters.

The way I heard it explained is that the rational for doing F-35 and your own deal is that the F-35 is a 50 year commitment. If you go all in on F-35 then you lose all organic combat aircraft design knowledge and industrial base or it at least significantly atrophies.

Which is great for the US MIC but not so good if you want to hedge your bets a bit.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


mobby_6kl posted:

Surely they'd sell the F35 to SK? Considering even Turkey was on the list until Erdo poo poo the bed.

Of course there are reasons to build a domestic plane too, I'm just a bit surprised they went for it considering how complex and expensive developing a 5th gen fighter is.





~symbolism~

I tried following that and getting nowhere

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Murgos posted:

The way I heard it explained is that the rational for doing F-35 and your own deal is that the F-35 is a 50 year commitment. If you go all in on F-35 then you lose all organic combat aircraft design knowledge and industrial base or it at least significantly atrophies.

Which is great for the US MIC but not so good if you want to hedge your bets a bit.

Yea I wouldn’t bet my country’s existence on the United States government being my friend forever and my country IS the United States.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

CarForumPoster posted:

Yea I wouldn’t bet my country’s existence on the United States government being my friend forever and my country IS the United States.

Sorry, we can't provide you with anymore F-35s for a bit. You see, Alabama makes this one bolt, and Colorado makes the nut that goes with that bolt. But Colorado opened a transgender book store, and three representatives from Alabama blew it up and now they are at war. So it will be at least six weeks until we get that sorted.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Cojawfee posted:

Sorry, we can't provide you with anymore F-35s for a bit. You see, Alabama makes this one bolt, and Colorado makes the nut that goes with that bolt. But Colorado opened a transgender book store, and three representatives from Alabama blew it up and now they are at war. So it will be at least six weeks until we get that sorted.

Your timeline is WAY too fast. I once ordered a USB Type A inside a MIL 38999 (extremely common) housing. This was an off the shelf part. Lead time was 6 months. This was pre COVID/Trump.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid

Sagebrush posted:

at first i was like "why the hell wouldn't they make a trainer model" but then i was like



Nobody wants a trainer model F-35. Flight hours are too expensive. Some people might want a backseater for some missions but I think the USAF perspective is it's not needed. Meanwhile developing a two seat variant would make an already complicated jet with three variants even more complex. My guess is that lengthening the cockpit and keeping it stealthy would not be possible without a lot of added cost.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The voice of former U.S. President Barack Obama roasts the Q400

Trump on the MD-80

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

These are great.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

lol

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...


Its jarring hearing Trumps voice being used to form complete, coherent sentences.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The Joe Rogan CRJ-200 Experience

Unrelated,

https://i.imgur.com/NUxhpCU.mp4

quote:

A few weeks ago I was flying into PHL and we were just starting our way down. Captain gets up to use the lav so the FA is up front with me when ATC gives us a decent into a thin scud layer (nothing crazy, you can see from the video it's a smal patch of light green painted on the radar).

Well as soon as we penetrate the top of the layer we start getting bounced a little bit and immediately the light show starts. I was very surprised because I aways thought you only saw St Elmo's near thunderstorms or convective activity.

The FA had no idea and thought we were being struck by lightning. Meanwhile my captain is doing his best to not piss all over himself in the lav. Hope y'all enjoy the video....anyone else have any good St Elmo's stories?

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
Nice rave tbh

Dread Head
Aug 1, 2005

0-#01
https://twitter.com/halbritz/status/1628496002226298888

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


You know they had to circle at least a few times to get the shadow to fall just right lol


What a cool bigass floating cell tower tho, I hope this is the start of a balloon renaissance :allears:


Retvrn:hai:

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


Strange, I saw that same caption with this image.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

F18E/F line likely to shut down 2025

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2023/02/23/boeing-will-close-super-hornet-production-line-in-2025/

quote:

Boeing will end the F/A-18E-F Super Hornet production line in 2025 and will not accept any more U.S. orders beyond the eight aircraft Congress added to the fiscal 2023 budget.
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Boeing spokeswoman Deborah VanNierop told Defense News these eight would roll off the production line in 2025 and be the last American Super Hornets ever built. The Navy will have bought a total of 698 Super Hornets over 30 years, according to budget documents.

India is still in the process of selecting a fighter, and the Super Hornet is one option under consideration. If the Indian Navy selects the Super Hornet, Boeing would build those aircraft and shut down the line in 2027 upon their completion, she said.
Little surprised. I just assumed they had more orders then that.

Xenoborg
Mar 10, 2007

I wonder if they want that line space and talent for something else. Has there been any news on who is making NGAD? I assume its one of if not a mix of Boeing/Lockheed/Northrop, but a casual googling makes it sound like it still not known.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Xenoborg posted:

I wonder if they want that line space and talent for something else. Has there been any news on who is making NGAD? I assume its one of if not a mix of Boeing/Lockheed/Northrop, but a casual googling makes it sound like it still not known.

I don't think anything has really been announced, but these programs are so massive and expensive that it'll end up being all three. The question is really just what the percentage each of them owns. I expect Boeing will actually build the thing, since Lockmart's facilities are already busy.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I wouldn't normally spam gamers... but Scott Manley is doing some Kerbal Space Program 2 on live stream (he's a goon right?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ax9T_27vJ8

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
Yeah I forget his username, starts with an e I think.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

He's Illectro here

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Mortabis posted:

Yeah I forget his username, starts with an e I think.

Illectro

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
SR-71 story that isn’t the top two that are always reposted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_1L_6ObxjM

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Official Blue Angels B-Roll footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frRKuODbGks

Previa_fun
Nov 10, 2004


Really want to know what he saw that surprised him at 4:48 or so "Whoooaa baby!" because I can't tell looking at aircraft positions.

Being a solo for either of the jet teams seems like it's a really really fun gig though. Low, fast, and maximum stick deflections all the time always.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!




Who made that, the American flag?

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Who made that, the American flag?

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

I'm so confused by this. Are they ranking logo's? Or companies?

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!
It's from r/NonCredibleDefence, a meme sub, and plays into long running jokes there, and is absolutely meant to be a hot take. Imo posting it here is dumb.

(It's ranking aircraft manufacturers)

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
The design language for logos of Soviet design bureaus was sure pretty narrow:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
New Ward Carroll video, this time talking with a U-2 pilot (who got started flying SH-60s in the Navy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE85vvgii_U

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Seeing that ^^ reminds me,

What are some interesting content aviation related youtube channels to subscribe to?

These are on my often-visited list:

Mayday
https://www.youtube.com/@MaydayAirDisaster

74Gear
https://www.youtube.com/@74gear

Mentour Pilot/Now
https://www.youtube.com/@MentourPilot

AVWeb
https://www.youtube.com/@AVweb

DroneScapes
https://www.youtube.com/@Dronescapes

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost
On top of AVWeb, I'm subscribed to these

AOPA Air Safety Institute
https://youtube.com/@AirSafetyInstitute

FlightChops
https://youtube.com/@FlightChops

Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
https://youtube.com/@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles

VASAviation
https://youtube.com/@VASAviation

Not particularly exciting stuff, but I find it interesting. I mostly play them like podcasts at work.

ArcMage
Sep 14, 2007

What is this thread?

Ramrod XTreme
I seem to recall that there were Opinions about blancolirio, but I don't really recall what or why.

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:


I missed them - I do these too. I really like their accident case studies.

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