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Excuse me please, but can McNally or someone else confirm if it's alright to share pictures or footage of destroyed equipment purely for the sake of identification, with no footage of impact, explosion, or visible remains? I just want to double check before posting.
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An assault company with a single embedded MBT is very much sounding like return to submitting tanks to infantry command circa 1930s. Which, in the most AT-saturated area of the planet reads to me like ”we have no idea how we could make this work so we are just throwing poo poo at the wall and seeing If it sticks” While individual organic tank support to your company sounds like the best thing to help the grunts since sliced bread it also means any tank combat that tank is always piecemeal devoured by the enemy.
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zone posted:Excuse me please, but can McNally or someone else confirm if it's alright to share pictures or footage of destroyed equipment purely for the sake of identification, with no footage of impact, explosion, or visible remains? I just want to double check before posting. Hasn't been a problem so far in the thread. McNally posted:This thread is for the Russian invasion of Ukraine so as to avoid disruption of the CE thread. Edit: and for that matter, the GiP rules, for the newcomers: McNally posted:Welcome to the Internet VFW, formerly known as GiP or Goons in Platoons. This forum is populated by persons who have, are, or want to join military, emergency response, and similar uniformed services. You don't have to have anything to do with the uniformed services to post here. We like to talk about everything from current events to DIY, so Arc Light fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Feb 26, 2023 |
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Arc Light posted:Hasn't been a problem so far in the thread. Thanks. In that case, here we go; https://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1629148358710263808 https://twitter.com/SalmelaJS/status/1629149671036801026  Things must be getting dire if Russia's forced to bring these to the front line, especially with all the known examples of radar complexes and stations being taken out by artillery or drone fire.
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Gen. Freuding on the current situation. If you don't speak german, the autotranslate function works ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWaUGZ9DrPM The new systems (Leo 2, Marder) delivered should be combat ready by the end of march, including crews, replacement parts and munitions.
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Just  at the idea of anti-artillery radar blown up by artillery.YOU HAD ONE JOB. ONE. JOB.
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bird food bathtub posted:Just Most radars have a dead zone somewhere, but still. The irony is worth a giggle.
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bird food bathtub posted:Just It probably knew where it’s impending death was coming from. It just couldn’t do anything about it.
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1629811754711633926 What the gently caress did I just read? these milbloggers are beyond unhinged. This is also the same guy who said, when in an official state event, that "We'll go where we want, steal what we want, kill who we want, and conquer wherever we want."
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Karma Comedian posted:...lemme call my s1 Motherfuck...That's going to have to have my CO sign off on it, isn't it?
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Valtonen posted:An assault company with a single embedded MBT is very much sounding like return to submitting tanks to infantry command circa 1930s. Which, in the most AT-saturated area of the planet reads to me like ”we have no idea how we could make this work so we are just throwing poo poo at the wall and seeing If it sticks” I was getting a similar feeling last year when I was seeing tanks rolling alone through cities or fields, like some inexperienced junior officer was telling them to "go here and secure this."
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https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1629433899326603264 Since it hasn't been posted yet, it seems Igor came out with a very recent segment where he says that at the rate Russia is losing equipment, and with severe shortages of the necessaries to make more, particularly artillery ammo and rockets, apparently only China can save them from the prospect of having completely run out of heavy weaponry to use. Let's hope Xi doesn't provide them with much, if at all.
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1629433899326603264 You’d think that rankle a few people in the Kremlin, saying “we can’t actually do this ourselves and need outside help” feels like a slap to the RUSSIA STRONK types. Girkin sits in a weird place though (being able to screech things like this), but I think he got slapped down a few times in the last year.
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Most people believe Igor can say and do more or less what he wants because he acts as the mouthpiece of the FSB among the voenkor community. Not to mention that despite being retired from the organization, he still enjoys their protection, or like Russians tend to put it, 'he has a big umbrella over him'. In general he's very careful to not directly criticize Vladolf himself, even though he came very close on a few occasions (like that time he compared him with Zelensky and all but insinuated that Vladolf was the real clown) Also, his criticism is never aimed at the intelligence agencies in general, only certain specific persons, and he has a big beef with both Shoigu and Gerasimov, to the point where he considers them alone wholly responsible for the disastrous result of the war in Ukraine, with calls of having them punished for treason. Strelkov's relation with Prigozhin is somewhat different insofar that he despises Prigozhin as a person and considers him a common crook and cheat much like everyone else, but he doesn't fault Wagner Group as being one of the sole saving graces of Russia's miserable performance. The whole song and dance about Prigozhin jibing at Strelkov and telling him to join Wagner so he can be told what kind of a washed up guy he was, also didn't have its effect and he acidly told Prigozhin that if he were to decide to join, it would certainly not be under him.
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But how much longer can they hold on there? apparently the situation turned pretty sour overnight.
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zone posted:Most people believe Igor can say and do more or less what he wants because he acts as the mouthpiece of the FSB among the voenkor community. Not to mention that despite being retired from the organization, he still enjoys their protection, or like Russians tend to put it, 'he has a big umbrella over him'. In general he's very careful to not directly criticize Vladolf himself, even though he came very close on a few occasions (like that time he compared him with Zelensky and all but insinuated that Vladolf was the real clown) Also, his criticism is never aimed at the intelligence agencies in general, only certain specific persons, and he has a big beef with both Shoigu and Gerasimov, to the point where he considers them alone wholly responsible for the disastrous result of the war in Ukraine, with calls of having them punished for treason. Strelkov's relation with Prigozhin is somewhat different insofar that he despises Prigozhin as a person and considers him a common crook and cheat much like everyone else, but he doesn't fault Wagner Group as being one of the sole saving graces of Russia's miserable performance. The whole song and dance about Prigozhin jibing at Strelkov and telling him to join Wagner so he can be told what kind of a washed up guy he was, also didn't have its effect and he acidly told Prigozhin that if he were to decide to join, it would certainly not be under him. Who’s Vladolf?
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FrozenVent posted:Who’s Vladolf? Putin. Also https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1629862936754749442 I'm sure this is going to be very useful going forward, but anything to look busy I guess. 
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zone posted:Putin. Please don’t give dictators cutesy names. It’s confusing and unbecoming.
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zone posted:Putin. They’ll be like the Wagner ones that turned out to be wood that was painted to look like cement. Those were supposed to be tank traps (I think?), but I forget exactly where.
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FrozenVent posted:Please don’t give dictators cutesy names. It’s confusing and unbecoming. Ok, I won't do it going forward.
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zone posted:But how much longer can they hold on there? apparently the situation turned pretty sour overnight. They can hold out there until it no longer makes military sense to hold out, then they can pull back and begin to sell the next patch of useless dirt for an equally exorbitant price.
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Icon Of Sin posted:They’ll be like the Wagner ones that turned out to be wood that was painted to look like cement. Those were supposed to be tank traps (I think?), but I forget exactly where. Those were in the deoccupied part of Kherson oblast, I believe. Ukrainians filmed their APCs just driving over them without a single beat. The cope teeth also got set up in Belgorod and the occupied parts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, as well as in and around Melitopol, Tokmak, and Polohy. Even the ones actually made of cement/concrete weren't solid (which itself is important) or even dug into the ground, which is even more important.
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They're doing Ostwall 2, with some fake (?, lol corruption being an obvious answer) ones sprinkled in. There's videos of them being blown away by wind in the Donetsk area.
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The point of the assault company seems to me that you identify 10 platoon-sized defense positions, then you can assign an assault company to attack each position and it has everything it needs to get the job done - superior numbers, firepower, recon, etc. Fits rather neatly into the Soviet way of war. You can write that position up as as good as taken, so long as your recon was correct and theres no minefields or defending tanks or bad approaches or wellll all that stuff that is probably the company commander's fault. The single tank is weird, but they've got the tanks to use and I don't think they're concerned about mass-scale armored combat with these formations. Even the 'tanks are obsolete' crown concedes that one thing tanks do well is provide the sort of direct fire support that can smash defenses, even defenses that have proven highly resistant to artillery. The tank can also attack and defeat entrenched IFVs. If there's any defending tanks well uh they're probably hosed..... oh well. zone posted:But how much longer can they hold on there? apparently the situation turned pretty sour overnight. It's been sour for a while, it's just been Ukraine negotiating their terms for the exit.
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The Assault Company as listed won't work. They won't have the needed supporting elements, and even if they did, 12 men is not enough to assault and hold anything. It looks like they remembered the Assault units in WW2, but forgot any of the details or lessons learned. It won't change much except now they can claim BN sized operations with a Platoon of Infantry. Doctrine says 3:1 minimum in the attack- regardless of supporting elements. Attacking a prepared defensive position is 5:1. It literally takes one hard dicked dude to hold up 12 men. This, to my military midget mind, says more about the Russian loses than ordering ammo from NK.
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Icon Of Sin posted:You’d think that rankle a few people in the Kremlin, saying “we can’t actually do this ourselves and need outside help” feels like a slap to the RUSSIA STRONK types. See also: Iran, North Korea...
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:i mean, 32-34 is loving honking anyway, but i was sure i'd heard the CVN's will top out around 42 It's a famous sea story, but it is not true. The screws of older CVNs have been photographed above the surface, and fairly simple simulation work shows that it doesn't matter one bit how much power the engines can output, the screws will cavitate badly enough that they will stop producing more thrust well below 40. The actual design speeds are probably a bit above 30. The reason why there are so many stories of the carriers going ridiculously fast out there is that when the concept of nuclear carriers was new, most of their escorts used conventional steam power plants. The big difference between the types is that a nuclear boiler can safely go from 0 to full power basically instantaneously, while a traditional boiler requires careful shepherding to make sure that the steam bubble remains in proper conditions (boiler never dry, water never in turbines), and it takes a long while to go from low power to full power. This means that if the whole group is at cruising speed, if a carrier suddenly starts receiving or launching planes, it can just run off into the wind and leave it's escorts behind and trying to catch up, far enough to vanish behind the horizon. And the escorts won't catch up to it until it has finished flight ops and it's slowing down. So "we can do 35 knots but when that thing wants to, it can always leave us behind, it has to be much faster". Loezi posted:Am I misreading this completely, or is this not saying a "company" consists of 2-3 "platoons" of 12-15 dudes plus some support elements? Russian elements have always been much smaller than the western equivalents. Doesn't necessarily mean they have less dudes doing the same tasks, they are just split into more elements. Although in this case they probably also have less dudes.
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Artificer posted:5 to 1? Wow that's impressive. Hard to imagine 20 dudes needing 100 to push them off. The advantages a defender can leverage are massive. An attacker MUST expose themselves to fire, and if the defender is worth a poo poo, they know all of the attack routes, have artillery already plotted, and have diagrammed their overlapping lanes of fire. They also don't have to carry their combat load, so they have an advantage in available ammo and munitions per soldier over the attacker. There are more advantages, but 3 or 5 to one is a guideline for the MINIMUM you want to assault a position with.
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Attacking is hard. The ratio gets even bigger in urban operations.
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A.o.D. posted:The advantages a defender can leverage are massive. An attacker MUST expose themselves to fire, and if the defender is worth a poo poo, they know all of the attack routes, have artillery already plotted, and have diagrammed their overlapping lanes of fire. They also don't have to carry their combat load, so they have an advantage in available ammo and munitions per soldier over the attacker. There are more advantages, but 3 or 5 to one is a guideline for the MINIMUM you want to assault a position with. Hello, I'm Russian general, I assume attacking five times with 1:1 is just as good as 5:1 once?
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Re: carrier chat A carrier fresh out of the shipyard with newly retooled screws is way faster than you would imagine. Way. Source: me, an old retired submarine SONAR Tech
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Generation Internet posted:Attacking is hard. The ratio gets even bigger in urban operations. What was it, something like 10 to 1?
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