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Scarodactyl posted:I bet the leather is much nicer to move around in in direct sunlight for hours of shoots. then just use the mail armor and give the officers muscle cuirasses made out of light plastic to imitate the bronze real ones! they expended more effort to be less accurate!
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Glah posted:I usually watch American movies with english subtitles even if it isn't my native language because I know english well enough and the subtitles help with bad sound mixing and more difficult accents. But like 10 mins into VVitch I said gently caress it I don't have a clue what these people are saying and changed the subtitles into my native language. It's the translators problem now. Excellent film tho! That makes total sense, the dialects in the movie are really thick, but more than that the script is basically Shakespeare.
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Feb 23, 2023 22:35
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SlothfulCobra posted:There's an aspect of "impressionism" to some of these things and trying to recreate the ideas represented by the stories if not do them exactly. Which can be a mixed bag depending on what you're looking to express and how good you are at depicting it. Speaking of VVitch, I love Eggers' approach to this. While VVitch had very authentic feel to it through and through, Lighthouse was more about creating the impression of the times through presentation with things like B&W cinematography and funky aspect ratio. And then with the Northman he went all the way into mindspace of characters. What to us are just myths and stories, to the vikings he depicted those were tangibly real and as true as gravity. Draugs, valkyries etc.. He's an interesting filmmaker for sure!
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Feb 23, 2023 22:39
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I want an Eggers Rome movie and I want it now. I also want more Rome in general, c'mon we used to be able to crank them out. Give me some more of that Cleopatra Ben Hur energy in the cinema of today.
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Feb 23, 2023 22:43
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FishFood posted:That makes total sense, the dialects in the movie are really thick, but more than that the script is basically Shakespeare. Funnily enough last time I had the same problem was with Deadwood, and that is shakespearian as gently caress. Seems that I was lucky that in my English exams we didn't need to tackle the Bard.
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Jazerus posted:yeah being utterly ancient so he could be a dick with no consequences like cato the elder was what cato the younger aspired to from the age of like, 15 He'd feel like the masturbating nazi from Knives Out. FishFood posted:I agree with the authenticity vs. accuracy thing with regards to interpretation but I also like it when a production just goes whole-hog on accuracy, like the VVitch, a movie that answers the question "what if 17th Century Puritans made a horror movie?" and absolutely rules. Oh yeah for sure there's a potential greatness to taking a premise and playing it to the absolute hilt and just seeing what turns out. I think it should be treated less like a simple positive vs negative and more like an artistic (and, necessarily, commercial) decision about what you really want to get done with your work. It feels more straightforward with like an investigative documentary where truth has a real high priority, but if you're creating entertainment I don't think its really a sin to make a movie that's fun and just kind of vaguely suggestive of history (e.g. Gladiator). That absolutely will not stop me from nitpicking what I view as historical inaccuracies in period pieces, because I think that's 1) valuable for education and 2) just plain fun, but I try not to conflate my "this is not what things were like historically" with "this is how good this piece of art is as art."
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Feb 23, 2023 23:00
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"Roman Legion vs. Predator" follow-up to Prey.
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Feb 23, 2023 23:07
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Omnomnomnivore posted:"Roman Legion vs. Predator" follow-up to Prey. Praedator. Starring de-aged AI-Arnold as Centurion Teutonicus
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Feb 23, 2023 23:46
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Venator. And Predator is the ultimate fits-anywhere concept, you can drop a Predator into any conflict at any location in any era and do a solid story with it, as long as you have a half-decent scriptwriter. It's fine if it's always the same underlying story, just make some interesting period-appropriate characters and you're golden.
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Feb 23, 2023 23:56
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Kylaer posted:Venator. Venator would be neat too, the original movies script was sold as “Hunter” Bold is 100% true. I’m amazed it took five movies to get to the idea of period-piece Predator. 2 already even brought it up
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Feb 23, 2023 23:59
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WoodrowSkillson posted:then just use the mail armor and give the officers muscle cuirasses made out of light plastic to imitate the bronze real ones! they expended more effort to be less accurate! Cost might be a factor, realistic looking mail armor is going to be a lot more expensive to make than layered leather is.
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CrypticFox posted:Cost might be a factor, realistic looking mail armor is going to be a lot more expensive to make than layered leather is. Is there even a way to make fake mail for the arts like that without just like, making butted mail which still requires hours upon hours of labor?p
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Feb 24, 2023 01:05
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You can just knit wool and cover it in silver paint as a substitute for mail, it looks good enough and only absolute nerds like you lot will really care.
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Feb 24, 2023 01:07
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go whole-hog in transporting all the cultural signifiers of rome to their equivalent context in wherever the production is made. so if it's US based then cato is localized as calling himself Theodore Roosevelt Jr. but going around dressed like thomas jefferson in a horse and buggy talking about the yeoman farmer, while everyone else has smartphones
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CrypticFox posted:Cost might be a factor, realistic looking mail armor is going to be a lot more expensive to make than layered leather is. i guarantee that in the UK you can find lorica hamata from reenactors literally all over the place. Also they used it, in that show. 
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Feb 24, 2023 01:10
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Tulip posted:Hot take, I don't think upper class British accents are a good localization of "just all Romans" for modern English. I'd rather they just do absolute chaos like Death of Stalin, or actually think about what accents would localize for different classes/positions. Failing that, just give everybody thick Jersey Shore accents. They're Italian after all. Yeah weirdly in my memory Pullo and Vorenus had cockney accents, because that would have made sense, but on re-watching some clips, nope, apparently not.
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Feb 24, 2023 01:11
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Plebs. Plebs is what you want to watch.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Plebs. Plebs is what you want to watch. Mister Olympus posted:go whole-hog in transporting all the cultural signifiers of rome to their equivalent context in wherever the production is made. so if it's US based then cato is localized as calling himself Theodore Roosevelt Jr. but going around dressed like thomas jefferson in a horse and buggy talking about the yeoman farmer, while everyone else has smartphones Plebs is a fun show, but it pretty much takes Mister Olympus's suggestion literally. It's about as inaccurate and anachronistic as you can get while still being set in Rome.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I can't believe I'm actually trying to logically think this through in my head but here we go. . . 
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What the gently caress?
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Just Suetonius being full of poo poo, I wouldn't worry about it
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:The weird one to me is Cicero and Cato being age swapped for some reason. The early 2000s miniseries(favourite of substitute teachers in latin class) with Christopher Walken as Cato has scorched that Cato into my brain. Cato just is Christopher Walken.
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Mad Hamish posted:What the gently caress? Suetonius (http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Tiberius*.html) posted:43 1 On retiring to Capri he devised a pleasance for his secret orgies: teams of wantons of both sexes, selected as experts in deviant intercourse and dubbed analists, copulated before him in triple unions to excite his flagging passions. 2 Its bedrooms were furnished with the most salacious paintings and sculptures, as well as with an erotic library, in case a performer should need an illustration of what was required. Then in Capri's woods and groves he arranged a number of nooks of venery where boys and girls got up as Pans and nymphs solicited outside bowers and grottoes: people openly called this "the old goat's garden," punning on the island's name. The Twelve Caesars is a good time. It's ostensibly a history of the first 11 emperors (and Julius Caesar), but many of its specific claims are, uh, a little off the rails.
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Mad Hamish posted:What the gently caress? A really bad attempt at blue humor from a period in 2014 when I got into a dumb phase where I figured that kind of crass, shock humor might be a fun thing to do. In this case in an embarrassingly nerdy way referencing one of the more famously off the rockers claims by Roman historian Suetonius. At the time I got a pretty good custom av for it, wore that for something like a year. Me nine years ago was a bit of an idiot and really, really bad at shock humor, what can I say?
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Any inaccuracies in HBO Rome are easily explained by the shows entire premise being “what the historians don’t want you to know about, Consuls hate him!” and being a riff on Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead. We get scenes like the newsreader showing us history be rewritten in real time. In a lot of ways the main theme of the show is that women and poor people don’t get their deeds recorded like rich aristocrats do despite doing just as much.
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Tulip posted:Hot take, I don't think upper class British accents are a good localization of "just all Romans" for modern English. I'd rather they just do absolute chaos like Death of Stalin, or actually think about what accents would localize for different classes/positions. Failing that, just give everybody thick Jersey Shore accents. They're Italian after all. I have seen Roman equivalents being voiced with actual Italian accents exactly once: Spyro Reignited Trilogy. Funny thing is, so much about Roman social norms and history makes more sense when you picture them as gangsters.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Funny thing is, so much about Roman social norms and history makes more sense when you picture them as gangsters. Brian Blessed says he literally played Augustus as a mafia don in I, Claudius.
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quote:On one occasion he went half shaved into an entertainment of young men, as Metrocles tells us in his Apophthegms, and so was beaten by them. Is an "entertainment of young men" just a bunch of dudes partying or some kind of euphemism?
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kaschei posted:(an anecdote about Diogenes) Probably a translation of “symposium”. ie a drinking party, but for well-off dudes who would be personally offended by a goofy-looking bum crashing in
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Is there commentary about horrible regional accents in ancient Rome? The empire was pretty big, and I can't imagine everyone spoke even fully mutually intelligible Latin.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Is there commentary about horrible regional accents in ancient Rome? The empire was pretty big, and I can't imagine everyone spoke even fully mutually intelligible Latin. Check the SAL linguistics thread, I seem to recall there being some side chatter about something similar a while ago. The question there was when variations on vulgar latin with an accent become Spanish/French/etc, but it touched on it. fake edit: yeah, starts here. Here's a nice quote that touches on it. advanced statsman posted:With Spanish there’s some contention on what the first text in Castilian, Aragonese or just Ibero-Romance are, with the Cartularies of Valpuesta as the RAE-accepted first texts, but long-time title holders Glosas Emiliaenses provide a great insight, being marginalia for a text in Latin. For Galician-Portuguese, the Notícia de Fiadores is also held as their oldest registry, though there may be an older text, the Pacto of the Pais brothers. I'd just ask there, chances are that there's someone who will not only have a solid answer, but probably a pithy citation where some ancient roman shakes his fist at those hillbillies in Hispania talking all wrong.
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What’s the latest we know of an Italic language still existing that wasn’t a Romance language?
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galagazombie posted:What’s the latest we know of an Italic language still existing that wasn’t a Romance language? There's Oscan graffiti in Pompeii, so first century AD
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I have seen Roman equivalents being voiced with actual Italian accents exactly once: Spyro Reignited Trilogy. Remember that dude who barged in here once insisting that the Romans invented the original sin of corruption and spread it across the world and the proof was that corrupt Italian-Americans in New Jersey acted JUST LIKE corrupt ancient Romans?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I have seen Roman equivalents being voiced with actual Italian accents exactly once: Spyro Reignited Trilogy. yeah you rarely see any depictions of, say, the fall of the republic actually depict the gangs that were involved, despite milo and clodius pulcher being two of the most interesting guys in the whole story
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Britannia is actually superior to real history. The "some bullshit" line delivery in the first episode is the best thing ever.
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Tomn posted:Remember that dude who barged in here once insisting that the Romans invented the original sin of corruption and spread it across the world and the proof was that corrupt Italian-Americans in New Jersey acted JUST LIKE corrupt ancient Romans? Was that  ?
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Zopotantor posted:Was that I don't think so. His shtick was how noble and learned the Ancients were so the very suggestion that they might be related to New Jersey would probably make his monocle pop out and his bow tie spin in horror.
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A_Bluenoser posted:I don't think so. His shtick was how noble and learned the Ancients were so the very suggestion that they might be related to New Jersey would probably make his monocle pop out and his bow tie spin in horror. but only specific ancients, which very conveniently happened to be defined on ethnic lines
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cheetah7071 posted:but only specific ancients, which very conveniently happened to be defined on ethnic lines Ah, I thought it was more class-based than ethnicity-based but I must confess that I could never actually be arsed to pay much attention to the details of his drivel.
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