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Jen X posted:1e in this context is Pathfinder 1e (aka D&D 3.5e), friend Right, right, I see. Apologies for the crossed wires. When some one says "casters" my brain space goes through all editions of D&D, of which I consider Pathfinder 1e to be 3.55. And I don't know much about Pathfinder 1e's minutia, since I barely played it.
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KPC_Mammon posted:I let players know which is the weakest save and any resistances and vulnerabilities on a successful recall knowledge. I do the exact same thing, which certainly helps, but locking a caster's basic ability to contribute (beyond hoping really hard, making assumptions based on enemy art, or throwing out buffs) behind a fallible action stinks as a design in general
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Still new to the community but from what I have seen the people on the pathfinder 2e reddit are kind of whiny and acerbic if you don't play they approve of so I have been ignoring at lot of it especially since some of it just seems to remind me of the bad edition wars crap when pathfinder 1e came out and they where taking a crap on 4th edition. Been staying pretty far away from the subreddit.
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Vire posted:Been staying pretty far away from the subreddit. Oftentimes a good idea.
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Feb 25, 2023 01:49
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Jen X posted:locking a caster's basic ability to contribute (beyond hoping really hard, making assumptions based on enemy art, or throwing out buffs) behind a fallible action What a ridiculous overstatement. A completely loving moronic take. If you can't manage to contribute as a caster without a successful Recall Knowledge check then that's your incompetence, not a flaw in the system.
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Here's my general advice on playing casters: don't target the thing that looks like their best save. Incidentally the casters carried the day in the level 6 vs Extreme encounter I had yesterday, while the martials barely held their own. (I was one of the martials, and literally had to roll two nat 20s.)
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Feb 25, 2023 03:57
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In my experience it does feel pretty bad having a spell saved against since you've spent your actions and a spell slot. A missed attack is usually just a waste of actions that turn and not further resources.
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Feb 25, 2023 04:05
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You should be casting spells that still apply a debuff on a successful save or hit a lot of enemies at once. Having the target save for no effect shouldn't be happening. Some spells are for enemy groups and others are for higher level bosses, you should memorize both. Edit: You should also buy scrolls. A scroll for a spell two spell levels below your max is effectively free. Buy a bag of holding to keep them in and fill it up. KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Feb 25, 2023 |
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Feb 25, 2023 05:37
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Evilgm posted:What a ridiculous overstatement. A completely loving moronic take. If you can't manage to contribute as a caster without a successful Recall Knowledge check then that's your incompetence, not a flaw in the system. settle down there beavis, saves are weirdly hard to guess in pf2 and it's often frustrating to see a fast weird lil bird like an elder cauthooj running around with fort as its highest save.
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Feb 25, 2023 06:53
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Saves are usually pretty easy to guess but there's a big bunch of exceptions. Recall knowledge being such a crapshoot and not very well defined by the rules is one of the worst things about the system imo. I tend to be very generous with the recall knowledge checks since players learning something about the thing they are fighting very rarely makes the fight less interesting.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Right, right, I see. Apologies for the crossed wires. When some one says "casters" my brain space goes through all editions of D&D, of which I consider Pathfinder 1e to be 3.55. And I don't know much about Pathfinder 1e's minutia, since I barely played it. If you remember how 3.5 changed harm to dealing a truck load of damage generated by rolling dice instead of the previous "go to 1 hp", Pathfinder 1e did that to many similar spells, like disintegrate. That's the crux of the confusion right there.
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Whether to hit Reflex or Fortitude is usually easy once you see enemy art, except sometimes they decide it's actually Will that's the weak save because gently caress you.Evilgm posted:What a ridiculous overstatement. A completely loving moronic take. If you can't manage to contribute as a caster without a successful Recall Knowledge check then that's your incompetence, not a flaw in the system. I think flinging slow, fear, hideous laughter, and synesthesia at every equal or higher level enemy because they lack incapacitation + are strong enough that their saved effect lets you skip the save discovery info tax is a band-aid on bad design. Unless you mean using buff spells, in which case, uh, buddy, reread the thing you're trying to mock, or you mean flinging damage spells and hoping your general read of the enemy type or your encyclopedic knowledge of every 3.5 and pathfinder 1 monster manual means you can figure it out on your own, in which case I'm glad for you. I guess there's like...physical wall spells? those often don't care what your enemy's saves are.
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I had a question about the "free archetype" rule. Since it's a variant rule and you can have everyone in the group get the archetype based on the campaign, do they still have to otherwise qualify? Like, if you decide that the free archetype is alchemist, do they still need an intelligence of 14? Or, since it's free, is it just free of restrictions like that?
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marshmallow creep posted:I had a question about the "free archetype" rule. Since it's a variant rule and you can have everyone in the group get the archetype based on the campaign, do they still have to otherwise qualify? Like, if you decide that the free archetype is alchemist, do they still need an intelligence of 14? Or, since it's free, is it just free of restrictions like that? In general, all restrictions inherent to the archetype, such as ability score reqs, should still apply. The official published text on the rule explicitly advises considering ignoring the 2 feats before changing archetype rule for folks that get a dedication feat from their class or ancestry (eldritch scoundrel rogues, ancient elves, etc), or in cases where archetype selection is restricted by the campaign in a way that would otherwise make simply playing as written difficult or impossible. Similarly, while the rules don’t state this, if you are running with a specific restricted list of free archetypes, and none of them work for a character because of prereq restrictions, obviously, the GM should reconsider enforcing those prerequisites, or expand the archetype list. But no, I would not just ignore archetype prerequisites simply because you are running Free Archetype.
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How do bard composition cantrips work with regard to having stuff in your hands? It seems like you're supposed to be playing music. Do you need hands for this? Like on the "Knights of Everflame" actual play linked above, the actor playing the bard mimes playing a song on her violin with two hands to cast Inspire Courage, and then makes an attack with her sling. Nobody says she has to stow her violin and draw her sling before she can do that, because obviously if she had to do 2 interact actions she then wouldn't have any actions left to make an attack. Maybe it's just fluff? Looking at the particular spells they don't seem to require an instrument at all, just a 'tune' or whatever. So you could just whistle your composition spells to keep your hands free?
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Inspire Courage has spell components listed, and it only requires a verbal component, so you can cast it with your hands full. https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=386
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Bards have a baseline feature in their spellcasting block that they can replace the material components of their bard spells with instrument-playing. You don't actually need an instrument to cast any of your spells, you just don't need a hand free to manage components if you're holding one. Some of their features call for Performance checks, which can involve dancing or singing but also can involve instruments, so I think those come down to your choice of flavor.
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I'm playing Quest for the Frozen Flame and we're in the last book, and did free archetype. It is wild. We all have 3-4 different archetypes now at lvl 9, and just got mammoth lord, which makes the game bonkers with how many icons are on the maps. I wouldn't change it for anything. My druid has Horizon Waller and Geomancer too.
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OgreNoah posted:I'm playing Quest for the Frozen Flame There's a...Chrono Cross adventure path?
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:There's a...Chrono Cross adventure path? it's actually a crossover with the prehistoric time period of Chrono Trigger
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I've recently gotten into 2e because a friend is running a game, and I've been playing around with frightened condition based builds. In the process, though, I've come across a couple questions and was curious if anyone in the thread knew the answers. 1) Is there an official response on the weird-rear end level curve for the Captivator dedication, where it's a level 4 feat for the dedication and then has its basic spellcasting feat at level 4 as well? Searching around for it I see people saying that a developer said it was a mistake but I can't find an actual source. 2) Does a Champion dedication gives you Tenets of [alignment] as a prerequsite for taking feats? quote:You are bound by your deity’s anathema and must follow the champion’s code and alignment requirements for your cause. You don’t gain any other abilities from your choice of deity or cause.
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basically the tenets are the specific details of your champion's code All Good champions share one set of basic tenets, all evil champions another. When Aura of Despair says it has "tenets of evil" as a prerequisite it just means you can't take it if you are a good champion.
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Anyone have any good guides for a melee summoner that are relatively up to date? Considering going JoJo on the AV adventure path in a friend's campaign.
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Kitfox88 posted:Anyone have any good guides for a melee summoner that are relatively up to date? Considering going JoJo on the AV adventure path in a friend's campaign. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UOly8_Fciwr7vXfrdKng4hcpqrFl5rx1Da1rmViQL8g/edit#heading=h.y55un25zek5c This one should be current enough, and has a few melee/tandem strike builds included. The main sourcebooks missing are Impossible Lands, Dark Archive, and Treasure Vault, which respectively add some ancestries, some occult spells, and literally one magic item of specific interest to a summoner.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:There's a...Chrono Cross adventure path? I'd play the gently caress out of that I loved Chrono Cross.
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Chevy Slyme posted:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UOly8_Fciwr7vXfrdKng4hcpqrFl5rx1Da1rmViQL8g/edit#heading=h.y55un25zek5c Ok, that's the one I was looking at but I wasn't sure if there was a newer one, thanks. 
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The Guide to the Guide’s page is pretty comprehensively updated and unless a guide is hiding somewhere way outside the usual lanes (aka the author never posts it to either the Paizo forums or the subreddit), it’s likely to be linked and kept up to date there: http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2019/09/pathfinder-2nd-edition-guide-to-guides.html?m=1 A good bookmark.
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Has anyone used anything new from Treasure Vault? Opinions? I love the Bottled Monstrosities but the "maybe your GM enforces this, maybe they don't" regent requirements and the fixed DCs (which means they can only be realistically Quick Alchemy'd instead of pre-crafted) is a big barrier to them being actually useful. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Feb 28, 2023 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Has anyone used anything new from Treasure Vault? Opinions? The new elemental bullets make the start of alkenstar much less of a slog for non-magical parties. 1 point of electrical damage might not seem like a big deal but triggering vulnerability is huge, especially when those same targets also have physical resistance.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Has anyone used anything new from Treasure Vault? Opinions? My old favorite 1e sorcerer character would have died to get his hands on the Starfaring Cloak. Any Desnan would.
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Kvantum posted:My old favorite 1e sorcerer character would have died to get his hands on the Starfaring Cloak. Any Desnan would. that is a pretty sweet item yeah! My 1e desnan cartomancer witch would love it.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Has anyone used anything new from Treasure Vault? Opinions? Skunk Bombs are absolutely bonkers. Only d4 direct damage, but it's a Fort save vs sickened, slowed, and potentially blinded not only to the target but even to everything in the splash area. Targets that only got hit with the splash get their save result upgraded, but that's still sickened 1 from a failed save upgraded to a success. Against a group, that's a lot of potential actions being lost to retching and slowed for throwing a single bomb. Sickened has always been one of the strongest conditions to inflict, since its penalty covers everything just like frightened does but instead of going away on its own you have to burn actions retching just for the chance to end it, but there weren't many reliable ways of inflicting it as a PC. Now bomber alchemists can just crank these out at will with perpetual infusions, and Powerful Alchemy will keep the save DC updated for you. You kind of have to be an alchemist to use it effectively because of that, but that actually helps a lot to give alchemists specific value beyond being a vending machine.
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Our group is just doing our first 2e campaign and are looking through the treasure vault and... is it just us or is the distinction between simple/martial/advanced weapons kind of extremely arbitrary? Sure, something like the three-section-naginata being advanced very much fits, that thing easily seems complex enough to warrant it. But then you've got stuff like the karambit (farm implement turned weapon), falcata (slightly more choppy sword), and gada (literally just a metal club) somehow counting as advanced, too. Meanwhile stuff that you'd think would be much more difficult to use like the rope dart or meteor hammer "only" counts as martial. Now, fortunately our DM is more than willing to waive that on request (doubly so since there's basically nothing in there for rogues otherwise), but I can't help but wonder what their reasoning even is here. Is advanced just a "only fighters are supposed to have this" thing now?
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Perestroika posted:Now, fortunately our DM is more than willing to waive that on request (doubly so since there's basically nothing in there for rogues otherwise), but I can't help but wonder what their reasoning even is here. Is advanced just a "only fighters are supposed to have this" thing now? Advanced weapons are just better. While I agree access should be easier just giving them out means there is no reason to ever use simple or martial weapons. That said, I think rogues should get access to martial weapons.
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Perestroika posted:Our group is just doing our first 2e campaign and are looking through the treasure vault and... is it just us or is the distinction between simple/martial/advanced weapons kind of extremely arbitrary? Sure, something like the three-section-naginata being advanced very much fits, that thing easily seems complex enough to warrant it. But then you've got stuff like the karambit (farm implement turned weapon), falcata (slightly more choppy sword), and gada (literally just a metal club) somehow counting as advanced, too. Meanwhile stuff that you'd think would be much more difficult to use like the rope dart or meteor hammer "only" counts as martial. Weapons are basically built on a point buy system, advanced weapons are built on more points than martial which are built on more points than simple (also uncommon stuff gets more points than common, though less than the advanced->martial->simple steps). If you want to make a weapon like a Falcata with the highest one handed damage allowed AND a very good trait, it has to be advanced Piell fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Mar 1, 2023 |
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Perestroika posted:Our group is just doing our first 2e campaign and are looking through the treasure vault and... is it just us or is the distinction between simple/martial/advanced weapons kind of extremely arbitrary? Sure, something like the three-section-naginata being advanced very much fits, that thing easily seems complex enough to warrant it. But then you've got stuff like the karambit (farm implement turned weapon), falcata (slightly more choppy sword), and gada (literally just a metal club) somehow counting as advanced, too. Meanwhile stuff that you'd think would be much more difficult to use like the rope dart or meteor hammer "only" counts as martial. I think it's meant to balance the power of something that has lots of traits and/or higher damage die more than anything. Like this item has above average damage and more than three good traits, so it's advanced. I only base this on cursory familiarity with the weapon list though, because drat is the whole list a lot to take in.
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Perestroika posted:Our group is just doing our first 2e campaign and are looking through the treasure vault and... is it just us or is the distinction between simple/martial/advanced weapons kind of extremely arbitrary? Sure, something like the three-section-naginata being advanced very much fits, that thing easily seems complex enough to warrant it. But then you've got stuff like the karambit (farm implement turned weapon), falcata (slightly more choppy sword), and gada (literally just a metal club) somehow counting as advanced, too. Meanwhile stuff that you'd think would be much more difficult to use like the rope dart or meteor hammer "only" counts as martial. Falcata is a 1h weapon with Fatal D12. That would instantly be the single best fighter weapon in the game and nobody would ever use anything else ever if it were Martial. As Advanced, at least you need to pay a feat or ancestry tax to get it up to crit machine accuracy status. (Nerf Tengu) Similarly the Karambit is Finesse/Agile and, again, Fatal. And the Gada is literally a Better Bastard Sword thanks to the addition of Backswing. Weapons are budgeted.
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"Weapon Proficiency" is a level 1 general feat. It's easy to get martial weapon proficiency, but they don't work with sneak attack. You don't big martial weapon dice and sneak attack dice.
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