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Eric Cantonese posted:There was a ton of blowback on FDR because of that too, right? Yeah, he won reelection in a couple electoral landslides.
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Mar 1, 2023 08:33
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Skex posted:Yeah, he won reelection in a couple electoral landslides. Also, there was the issue of the whole business plot with conservatives and capitalists of the time trying to come up with a scheme to overthrow and (possibly if he proved intractable to being a puppet) assassinate the president, coup the country, and establish a fascist capitalist take over. That was a thing, though obviously it never got off the ground floor and past the initial outrage and media rush was pretty much hushed up as an embarrassment to the country rather than...Y'know, a bunch of conservative capitalists betraying their country and trying to arrange for an overthrow of the democracy due to having to pay their fair share even though the new deal probably saved them from being gulaged by a communist take over or death camped by a fascist one in the long run. Archonex fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Mar 1, 2023 |
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Mar 1, 2023 12:28
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Ghost Leviathan posted:First past the post really is a blight on 'democracy', and telling how people just take the most awful politicians for granted because they're assumed to be the party pick and what are you gonna do, vote for the other guy? This isn’t a FPTP election though, I guess it’s first and second past the post because the top two go to a runoff, assuming no one gets over 50% on the first vote. Plus there really was no party pick in this election or the past one. If anyone was the party pick in 2019, it was Preckwinkle, and she got destroyed in the runoff election. This time around we have Johnson, who is backed by the teachers union, and Vallas, who is backed by the FOP. I’d say Johnson has better odds.
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Mar 1, 2023 12:30
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Young Freud posted:Looks like someone in Florida is trying to ban the Democratic Party under the guise they supported slavery... So there's nothing actually stopping the Florida Democratic party from just rebranding themselves as, say, the Liberal party (who happens to work closely with the Democratic parties)? Is this just dumb busy work, or does Ingoglia actually thunk he's discovered one trick to destroy the Democrats forever?
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Mar 1, 2023 13:19
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Randalor posted:So there's nothing actually stopping the Florida Democratic party from just rebranding themselves as, say, the Liberal party (who happens to work closely with the Democratic parties)? Is this just dumb busy work, or does Ingoglia actually thunk he's discovered one trick to destroy the Democrats forever? He thinks its some masterown of logic that the Democrats and Democratic party will self-imploded and turn to the Republican party. We've heard this story before DID YOU KNOW the Democratic Party actually was the supported Slavery...makes you think right?
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Mar 1, 2023 13:32
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tbh I could maybe see that bill hilariously backfiring because Florida Democrats would probably benefit from a rebranding at this point
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Mar 1, 2023 13:38
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Bird in a Blender posted:This isn’t a FPTP election though, I guess it’s first and second past the post because the top two go to a runoff, assuming no one gets over 50% on the first vote. That's what I mean, yes, that the lovely incumbent who'd pissed everybody off got blown out because people had actual options in contrast to many other states with lovely Democrats in similar positions.
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Mar 1, 2023 14:09
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's what I mean, yes, that the lovely incumbent who'd pissed everybody off got blown out because people had actual options in contrast to many other states with lovely Democrats in similar positions. Oh got it, I misunderstood what you meant. Now I'm just hoping the lovely candidate (Vallas, who got around 35% in the first round) doesn't pull it off in the runoff election.
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pencilhands posted:Hopefully Johnson wins. I don’t think I could stomach a straight white male replacing a lgbt woman of color. i say swears online posted:any, uh, policy quibbles? pencilhands posted:Policy? This got a good laugh out of me, thank you to everyone involved.
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Mar 1, 2023 15:03
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Young Freud posted:The fascism is getting upped real quick: Texan state rep Bryan Slanton introduce a bill that gives a 10% property tax deductions for first time marriages. 40% for 1-4 children sired from that marriage, and another 10%+ for any children they have in that marriage. No gay marriages (as written, it's only for a man and woman married) and no divorces. And, since it's based off property tax, it's assumed that the couple is white. There is no way that having 10 kids in order to get your property tax waived makes any kind of financial sense at all. This seems more like a handout to big evangelical families rather than an actual attempt to create a state of Quiverful peeps that will bankrupt public education. The average person pays about $4.6k in property taxes per year. Having 10 kids to get exempt from it is a bonkers financial move. Also, a lot of reporting is on "Representative X proposes a bill" when that bill has no other support and will never become law. Not sure if it is the case here, but just context to keep in mind. It's the same thing as all of the "Representative wants to ban viagra!" bills that some person proposed as a publicity stunt to protest abortion bans.
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Mar 1, 2023 15:20
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If you have 10 kids you are either so rich that property tax deductions don't matter or so broke that property tax deductions don't matter because it's just a wash with the welfare the state has to pay for your kids not to starve to death. There's just no functional way that a single income can support a family that large, as has been shown with every Quiverfull family except the ones with TLC shows.
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Mar 1, 2023 15:25
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Eli Lily says they will cap insulin at $35 for all sales following the IRA capping insulin at $35 for their biggest market (Medicare) and a lawsuit by the state of California. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1630928622771994628 quote:Eli Lilly and Company said on Wednesday that it would reduce the price of its most commonly prescribed insulins and expand a program that caps monthly out-of-pocket costs for patients at $35 or less.
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Randalor posted:So there's nothing actually stopping the Florida Democratic party from just rebranding themselves as, say, the Liberal party (who happens to work closely with the Democratic parties)? Is this just dumb busy work, or does Ingoglia actually thunk he's discovered one trick to destroy the Democrats forever? It's pure posturing intended solely to put right-wing rhetoric in the headlines. It's unlikely that he seriously expects it to pass, and even if it does, the only real effect it'll have is resetting people's voter registration. The thinking is likely along the lines of "You're cancelling people who lived in the 1800s just because they were slaveowners who fought for the Confederacy? Well, in the 1800s, the Democratic Party was a pro-slavery party that supported the Confederacy, so I guess by your own leftist logic, they deserve to be canceled too! Checkmate, hypocrite libs, you commies have just been publicly owned by the flaws in your own foolish thinking  "
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And you can't own them with "you support slavery too, hypocrite" accusations because they do not care. This is naked exercise of fascist power. THEY DO NOT CARE
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Mar 1, 2023 15:40
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Harold Fjord posted:And you can't own them with "you support slavery too, hypocrite" accusations because they do not care. This is naked exercise of fascist power. THEY DO NOT CARE I would take this a step further than not caring. To fascists hypocrisy isn't a problem, it's a privilege. They still get the emotional payload of hatred that they actually care about out with their message, while the opposition chases their own tail arguing against the conversational chaff they don't really care about. Go ahead and set up a perfect logical A = B = C trap. They'll bulldoze right through it, give no fucks, and still give everyone the bellyfeels of hating minorities while mocking you for arguing about words.
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Mar 1, 2023 15:46
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bird food bathtub posted:I would take this a step further than not caring. To fascists hypocrisy isn't a problem, it's a privilege. They still get the emotional payload of hatred that they actually care about out with their message, while the opposition chases their own tail arguing against the conversational chaff they don't really care about. Go ahead and set up a perfect logical A = B = C trap. They'll bulldoze right through it, give no fucks, and still give everyone the bellyfeels of hating minorities while mocking you for arguing about words. Yep. It's an exercise of power, a demonstration of their superiority, and a tactic that works. This is what 'trigger the libs' means. And it's incredibly, wildly successful. It makes the conversation all about them either way.
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Mar 1, 2023 15:54
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It said the company was taking the action to “help Americans who may have difficulty navigating a complex health care system that may keep them from getting affordable insulin.” We're all trying to find the guy who did this.
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Mar 1, 2023 16:03
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https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1630935555356889091 I know the initial labor secretary chat died down but I do want to point this out as it's an interesting dynamic. A structural advantage to the GOP and the conservadems is that, absent actions, spending and laws typically expire and, without action, positions will remain vacant. This is a good example of why Dems need to focus harder on automatic stabilizers and other mechanisms to ensure inaction leads to continued funding, etc.
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Mar 1, 2023 17:25
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Totally normal response to a journalist inquiry. https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1630955415746883586?s=20 https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1630956430952919040?s=20
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Credit to MTG, she appears to have hired someone who is competent to be her particular spokesperson. Isn't one of the golden rules of political comms "If you're explaining, you're losing?" Harold Fjord posted:And you can't own them with "you support slavery too, hypocrite" accusations because they do not care. This is naked exercise of fascist power. THEY DO NOT CARE
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Mar 1, 2023 17:34
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Skex posted:Yeah, he won reelection in a couple electoral landslides. I was thinking more about FDR's failure to push through his court expansion plan, but I suppose shows digging into it shows the public might have different feelings about "court packing" in the present day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937 quote:Roosevelt's legislative initiative ultimately failed. Henry F. Ashurst, the Democratic chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, held up the bill by delaying hearings in the committee, saying, "No haste, no hurry, no waste, no worry—that is the motto of this committee." As a result of his delaying efforts, the bill was held in committee for 165 days, and opponents of the bill credited Ashurst as instrumental in its defeat. The bill was further undermined by the untimely death of its chief advocate in the U.S. Senate, Senate Majority Leader Joseph T. Robinson. Other reasons for its failure included members of Roosevelt's own Democratic Party believing the bill to be unconstitutional, with the Judiciary Committee ultimately releasing a scathing report calling it "a needless, futile and utterly dangerous abandonment of constitutional principle ... without precedent or justification". Contemporary observers broadly viewed Roosevelt's initiative as political maneuvering. Its failure exposed the limits of Roosevelt's abilities to push forward legislation through direct public appeal. Public perception of his efforts here was in stark contrast to the reception of his legislative efforts during his first term. Roosevelt ultimately prevailed in establishing a majority on the court friendly to his New Deal legislation, though some scholars view Roosevelt's victory as pyrrhic.
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Mar 1, 2023 17:37
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Dick Trauma posted:Totally normal response to a journalist inquiry. This is just smart politics on Greene’s part. Her constituents want to tell these people to gently caress off. Hell, I want to tell Dale to gently caress off! Fact-checking isn’t journalism, in any meaningful sense. It’s a degradation from an already incredibly-degraded form.
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Mar 1, 2023 17:37
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selec posted:This is just smart politics on Greene’s part. Her constituents want to tell these people to gently caress off. Hell, I want to tell Dale to gently caress off! Fact-checking isn’t journalism, in any meaningful sense. It’s a degradation from an already incredibly-degraded form. I don't know Dale well enough to speak on what he does in general, but it's obviously important that when an elected official says something illogical or incorrect, they should have to answer for it.
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Mar 1, 2023 17:45
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selec posted:Fact-checking isn’t journalism, in any meaningful sense. Please explain this
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Harold Fjord posted:And you can't own them with "you support slavery too, hypocrite" accusations because they do not care. This is naked exercise of fascist power. THEY DO NOT CARE It's also a smokescreen for their other bullshit, they do horrible things all the time but if you keep flooding the zone with this poo poo, the media covers it because its easy and you do all your other incredibly evil stuff in the background. Someone posted the quote that fascists not only don't care they love doing this stuff because you are "forced" to engage in their bullshit and defend your position while they get to say look at how mad I made this person.
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Mar 1, 2023 17:51
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Fart Amplifier posted:Please explain this You're being trolled. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Eli Lily says they will cap insulin at $35 for all sales following the IRA capping insulin at $35 for their biggest market (Medicare) and a lawsuit by the state of California. I'm going to laugh forever if the thing that kicked this off was the whole fake twitter account fiasco from late last year.
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Mar 1, 2023 18:25
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Eli Lily says they will cap insulin at $35 for all sales following the IRA capping insulin at $35 for their biggest market (Medicare) and a lawsuit by the state of California. Still too high.
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Mar 1, 2023 18:30
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Mooseontheloose posted:DID YOU KNOW the Democratic Party actually was the supported Slavery...makes you think right? It's literally just this. There's no expectation this goes anywhere. It's just a headline.
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Mar 1, 2023 18:33
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Florida supported slavery too but he's going to conveniently leave that out.
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Mar 1, 2023 18:36
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Golbez posted:Florida supported slavery too but he's going to conveniently leave that out. When the DEMOCRATS controlled it, so you see Republicans now are morally superior.
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Mar 1, 2023 18:57
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Mooseontheloose posted:When the DEMOCRATS controlled it, so you see Republicans now are morally superior. "Didn't a lot of Democrats go over to the Republican party in the 1960s and 1970s because of desegregation?" "WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES! That was too long ago."
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Eli Lily says they will cap insulin at $35 for all sales following the IRA capping insulin at $35 for their biggest market (Medicare) and a lawsuit by the state of California. Awesome, now let's cap it at zero dollars and make sure no one in the US does from having to ration their insulin, which is a thing that happens in this supposedly developed nation.
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Chieves posted:I'm going to laugh forever if the thing that kicked this off was the whole fake twitter account fiasco from late last year. It says in the article that it was a combination of: - The IRA capping their biggest purchaser (Medicare) at $35. - The state of California filing a lawsuit against them. - Several generic insulin competitors coming out with $30 insulin variants soon. Essentially, they were inevitably going to have to lower the price due to those three things and decided to get out in front for some good press.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:You're being trolled. Not trolling, please engage in good faith. It’s ideological gatekeeping. It takes an already terrible format of journalism (American political coverage) that obsesses with minutiae and insider baseball to the enormous detriment of readers and somehow does it worse. I don’t care about shakeups in the Blowhard campaign, and neither should anybody else—what does that signify about how that candidate would handle the state of the country we have to live in? Nothing. It means nothing, but because the reporters are easily mystified, dullards who cannot imagine a world where they hold politicians actually accountable for the material outcomes their policies engender, this is what we get: a national reporter being body slammed by a candidate and acting like a complete and utter invertebrate about it. He had to do that to keep his job, which was apparently much more important than his dignity. Fact checkers are from the same genus of invertebrates but even worse, somehow—they do not generate news, they do not inform people, they confirm a set of biases. They’re not changing minds, they are confirming mindsets. They do not reveal anything of consequence. They serve to reinforce a worldview, even if that’s not the job description. Capital T truth is the man starving in the gutter across several administrations, not the guy revealing the man on the gutter has an untreated mental illness. One of those things is the material reality, the other is the quiet endorsement of that reality. There’s a really good citations needed ep that goes into this more, and gets into some pretty hairy specific cases too. It covers the whole “thing happening on the border to kids” thing I don’t think we’re allowed to talk about in here anymore. https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-83-the-unchecked-conservative-ideology-of-us-medias-fact-check-verticals Relistening and the the negotiation on the number of Pinocchio’s is a fantastic example. We’re gonna have to dial back the Pinocchio’s lol.
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Queering Wheel posted:tbh I could maybe see that bill hilariously backfiring because Florida Democrats would probably benefit from a rebranding at this point They should call them La Fiesta and crush all those boring republicans
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Eric Cantonese posted:"Didn't a lot of Democrats go over to the Republican party in the 1960s and 1970s because of desegregation?" Yeah, I've had lots of conservative coworkers who will straight up tell you that the Southern Strategy never happened. Lincoln freed the slaves, and he was a republican, therefore, no republican can ever be racist.
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selec posted:Not trolling, please engage in good faith. Fact checking is essential to journalism. Calling people up to confirm quotes or positions is just basic journalistic poo poo. That's what that guy does. You're confusing it with "fact check" columns, which are opinion columns under the guise of impartiality.
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Jaxyon posted:Fact checking is essential to journalism. Calling people up to confirm quotes or positions is just basic journalistic poo poo. Fact-checking should be behind the scenes, a part of a journalistic process that should also be applied to Op Eds, which none of the institutions who have these public-facing fact checkers can be bothered to do, which tells me it’s an ideological exercise, not a journalistic one. YMMV on that assessment but when Bretbug can just publish lies as underpinnings to his arguments on the op ed page, lies specifically refuted by the reportage of the same institution he gets paid by, something isn’t working the way it should.
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