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Frosted Flake posted:I think this came up in some lecture I attended on the Victorian Royal Navy and cruisers, which were like 15% of the entire state expenditure: the point of warships is to risk and lose them, it's why countries take on the enormous cost of having them accomplish absolutely nothing in peacetime. it’s about a third of what a navy does. the other 2/3s is accomplished mostly by sitting and doing nothing.
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https://twitter.com/Militarydotcom/status/1631088258502336512?s=20quote:Black said he jokes about getting a sense of what America thinks about its military by the movies that come out, and the only decent military movie in recent years, in his opinion, was "Top Gun: Maverick," which he called a "flashback to the '80s." That film was made with heavy participation from the U.S. Navy, which gave filmmakers extensive access to an aircraft carrier and other military hardware.
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Frosted Flake posted:I think this came up in some lecture I attended on the Victorian Royal Navy and cruisers, which were like 15% of the entire state expenditure: the point of warships is to risk and lose them, it's why countries take on the enormous cost of having them accomplish absolutely nothing in peacetime. The Royal Navy paid for all of these ships to bob at anchor in the middle of nowhere, cruise around the world's oceans, to be replaced every 10 years as they wore out and became obsolete. They even set up an incomprehensibly expensive network of coaling and telegraph stations around the world. it would be even worse because the casualties would be in the same ballpark as the total US death toll from the entire Iraq War combined, a scale of mass death that the US military has completely forgotten how to deal with and which isn’t even supposed to be possible anymore the US military being, not just strong, but literally invincible and literally incapable of losing a war, is an article of faith here, one that many people believe so fervently that people routinely claim that the Vietnam War technically counts as a US victory because they killed more people than the Vietnamese did (‘American tactical victory’ is the phrase they like to use). death on that scale is something the military is supposed to inflict on other people, not suffer itself. I don’t know exactly how they would react but I know it would completely and permanently shatter some people’s psyches
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# ? Mar 2, 2023 02:21 |
Ships exist to get sunk the same way tanks exist to get blown up, jets exist to get shot down, shells exist to get fired
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Slavvy posted:Ships exist to get sunk the same way tanks exist to get blown up, jets exist to get shot down, shells exist to get fired Tell me you're the lead designer of the Vasa without telling me you're the lead designer of the Vasa.
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maybe the Chinese will make one that works. GlassEye-Boy has issued a correction as of 06:15 on Mar 2, 2023 |
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i think they build them just to show they can
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# ? Mar 2, 2023 06:18 |
Then they will let them sink to show they could sink American ones, if they wanted to
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I think you’ll find that all red blooded Americans know Maverick and Iceman. Losing a carrier would be near definitive proof that the US isn't invincible which goes against evry bit of ingrained propaganda over the last 80 years
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# ? Mar 2, 2023 06:36 |
what if it turns out all the fancy new Chinese stuff is just as lovely and unreliable as the fancy new American stuff
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Wheeee posted:what if it turns out all the fancy new Chinese stuff is just as lovely and unreliable as the fancy new American stuff Yeah all those thousands of Chinese trains will start derailing any second now
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https://twitter.com/StilichoReads/status/1631009962641195008quote:Thread with excerpts from the SIGAR report on the collapse of the Afghan Security Forces: … Report on why the US' Afghanistan fell to the Taliban just came out, choice quotes in the tweet thread above. Link for the report is here:https://t.co/tZnwl799yT
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wow it's almost like using national islamophobia to go to war in iraq and destroying a generation of young bodies and minds for literally nothing is bad for jingoism
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/StilichoReads/status/1631009962641195008 Someday I'll be able to talk about the idiot we had come in proposing low level airdrops of supplies to the Panjshir Valley so that the "National Resistance Front" could out-Taliban the Taliban.
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Wheeee posted:what if it turns out all the fancy new Chinese stuff is just as lovely and unreliable as the fancy new American stuff fortunately china has the world's largest shipbuilding industry and a government that can actually get poo poo done to fall back on if a new design turns out to be a dud
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Frosted Flake posted:Someday I'll be able to talk about the idiot we had come in proposing low level airdrops of supplies to the Panjshir Valley so that the "National Resistance Front" could out-Taliban the Taliban. hey now, the important thing is to look like you're doing something while you keep failing upwards
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Wheeee posted:what if it turns out all the fancy new Chinese stuff is just as lovely and unreliable as the fancy new American stuff China doesn't have the profit motive/"gotta make it in 50 states"/"subcontract forever" stuff rotting their industry though?
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I think the whole "scare" came from the fact that there was a model of an LCS-like ship spotted in at a Chinese expo in 2017 or so, but then it was never built. It wouldn't be the first time some random model was put out and nothing came of it. The Next-Gen Chinese frigate design looks a lot more conventional and is pretty much a larger/upgunnded version of their current 54a.
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all nations have constituencies who want money directed to them, and military procurement is a big gravy train. I think sometimes this thread sees these sort of issues as being US specific but I’m sure military procurement is wildly corrupt and produces pork barrelling the same way in Spain, in China, in Russia, in Denmark. the difference seems to be the pie is so much bigger in the US and that at least in China they realise that sure you make sure your hometown gets the contract for making tanks treads or whatever, but at the end of the day you still have to ship a plausibly working tank. parts of the US military (the Navy in particular) have lost the ability to even get to ‘plausibly working’ any more.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:all nations have constituencies who want money directed to them, and military procurement is a big gravy train. I think sometimes this thread sees these sort of issues as being US specific but I’m sure military procurement is wildly corrupt and produces pork barrelling the same way in Spain, in China, in Russia, in Denmark. the difference seems to be the pie is so much bigger in the US and that at least in China they realise that sure you make sure your hometown gets the contract for making tanks treads or whatever, but at the end of the day you still have to ship a plausibly working tank. parts of the US military (the Navy in particular) have lost the ability to even get to ‘plausibly working’ any more. here in denmark it's somewhat inverted. since we don't make a lot of military hardware, there's not much grifting to be done, and so we keep running out of bullets or shells to even practice shooting with. we buy the minimum we can get away with as tribute to the empire.
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“after the Doha agreement was signed afghan soldiers knew they were not the winners” took ‘em that goddamn long to figure out huh
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There is grifting to be had everywhere, I would say there is far more efficiency from state-owned MIC firms than private ones though and at least the government can conduct quality control/accept platforms it actually needs/keep costs down. The problem with the Western MIC it is very much run like a business and the military is just a customer.
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I keeping with the observation someone made about China being a nation of engineers and how firms are allowed to try out different designs as prototypes and for the export market but seem directed by the state for PLA equipment, it wouldn't surprise me if they have a freer hand in seeking profit on export models while meeting military needs for domestic ones. Much of what we see at arms shows never enters PLA inventory, and that would make sense if the PLA was not really the target audience but export customers.
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Mister Bates posted:I don’t know exactly how they would react but I know it would completely and permanently shatter some people’s psyches "Remember the Reagan!" is gonna be so annoying to see on the front page of the times
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remember the reagan because he sure couldn't
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Veterans to Farmers determined to expand farming opportunities for women Veteransquote:Farming uses many of the same skills essential to the ethos of the U.S. military: hard work, attention to detail and service before self, to name a few. oh man we're bringing back Roman soldier-farmers! Cincinnatus ftw!!!
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drat, over 150 farmers trained you say? that's definitely gonna ensure food security for a country of 300+ million
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KomradeX posted:If China Wounds A U.S. Carrier, The Navy Is Ill-Equipped To Come To The Rescue Oh cool. I guess we need to give the MIC more money.
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have they tried taking the money from zelensky's cayman island accounts
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skooma512 posted:They'll be emotionally impacted because the TV will tell them that they're supposed to be shocked and mournful and enraged.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Veterans to Farmers determined to expand farming opportunities for women Veterans
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1630992819455246338
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I hope there is a daily countdown until they have enough material to make the bomb
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lots of babies in those uranium incubators
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https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1631359111500554255 hmm
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gradenko_2000 posted:Veterans to Farmers determined to expand farming opportunities for women Veterans I have a friend who did that program! it seems nice. he is a househusband with a small plot so in his case it’s really just bringing back peasant agriculture.
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i swear to god i've seen this exact headline dozens of times before
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atelier morgan posted:i swear to god i've seen this exact headline dozens of times before well? eventually it will be true
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Any day now
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