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Godholio posted:There aren't many scenarios where only bomb goes off. Moving perpendicular probably doesn't help. The moving thing only works for a single event, likely a plant going. Actual bombs... Yeah, we would get a bunch. Which is why that scenario doesn't get much attention from me, I would either already be dead or will be dead soon.
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Godholio posted:There aren't many scenarios where only bomb goes off. Moving perpendicular probably doesn't help. But Prussian Blue is suitable for all ages. So... what do you think?
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ASAPI posted:The moving thing only works for a single event, likely a plant going. Actual bombs... Yeah, we would get a bunch. Which is why that scenario doesn't get much attention from me, I would either already be dead or will be dead soon.
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I'm gonna quote this from my own OP pantslesswithwolves posted:Threat Assessments A radiological event of any type would be an event of extreme severity but of very low likelihood, and the size of the affected area could range from blocks (due to a "dirty bomb", which were the threat du jour back in like 2003) to regions (accident at a nuclear power plant) or global if we're talking a nuclear war. If we're talking about the former two, honestly assess how close you are to likely TERRIST TARGETS and also to the closest nuclear plant. I live in Washington, DC, used to work within two blocks of the White House and the thought of a dirty bomb never crossed my mind. Why? Because I knew that if someone blew one up right outside of Lafayette Square, there would likely be little to no risk to me because tests have shown that dirty bombs aren't really that effective at spreading radiation. If you live near a plant, then you'd best be subscribed to your local emergency management agency's alerts, keep your vehicle well-maintained and gassed up and be ready to leave at a moment's notice with your important documents and supplies to sustain you when you reach a safe distance- all stuff that you should be doing anyhow as a general preparedness measure. If there's a true international exchange of nuclear weapons, there won't just be one bomb. And even if you live in the middle of nowhere, it's likely you'll catch a nuke as well because that's where people- including important ones, or the military- will flee in an attempt to reconstitute itself. In that case, your best bet is to be piss drunk and right underneath it. There's also tons of other nasty types of radiation that are released when a bomb goes off, and KI and Prussian Blue are only effective at mitigating some of it. If you feel like having anti-radiation meds on hand will give you peace of mind, then by all means go for it. But they should be pretty far down on the list of things you'd want to have on hand. Checked your smoke alarms and fire extinguishers lately?
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pantslesswithwolves posted:If you feel like having anti-radiation meds on hand will give you peace of mind, then by all means go for it. But they should be pretty far down on the list of things you'd want to have on hand. Checked your smoke alarms and fire extinguishers lately? I do think that I will feel happy and delighted to have Prussian Blue though. Since the time limit is 3 hours, it is basically impossible to expect the government to issue it to you. I live close by a major military installation, within fallout radius.
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Can you even buy prussian blue anywhere? I looked a year or two ago and it required a prescription.
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Arven posted:Can you even buy prussian blue anywhere? I looked a year or two ago and it required a prescription. Tell me more, please. Since you are also interested. What happened? What did you decide?
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Fourier Series posted:I have been thinking about emergency preparedness, and went to the CDC and FEMA website for their advice on stocking up. Apparently in the event of a close nuclear strike, there is radiation poisoning meds that you can take. It is known as Prussian Blue. Hey there. I saw you pinged me in a different sub; sorry for the delay in answering, but I've been out of town. Prussian Blue is prescription-only and, if you are in good health, well tolerated. There are a few things docs say not to use it with (liver disease or arrhythmia, as examples), but for the most part it's not an issue. The problem is determining the correct dose for what your exposure was. I have no idea whatsoever how to do this, I'm afraid. I guess I put this in the same bucket as keeping other medicines around for the apocalypse - even if I did, would I know how to use it correctly? Would I know the right time to use it, even if I knew the correct dosing in theory? YMMV on that question, but it reminds me a bit of the people who self-diagnose infections and use aquarium antibiotics in spite of not really knowing what's infected them (except possibly less harmful than that). Also, in the event of nuclear devastation I'm not sure I want to make it anyway, so I haven't really looked into it much. I have no delusions about where I'll be on the hierarchy of violent warlords of the Mad Max Afterscape - I'm either bitch or breakfast, depending on their preferences.  OH - worth mentioning... there is a blue paint/dye called Prussian Blue. It is NOT the same. Do not ingest the dye. This should go without saying, but warnings like that usually show up on bottles and FDA drug guidances post-event, with a terrible associated story. Sorry I can't help more; I'm not really on that side of the industry.
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GIP Emergency Preparedness: Do Not Ingest the Dye
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Sundae posted:Hey there. I saw you pinged me in a different sub; sorry for the delay in answering, but I've been out of town. Prussian Blue is prescription-only and, if you are in good health, well tolerated. There are a few things docs say not to use it with (liver disease or arrhythmia, as examples), but for the most part it's not an issue. The problem is determining the correct dose for what your exposure was. I have no idea whatsoever how to do this, I'm afraid. I guess I put this in the same bucket as keeping other medicines around for the apocalypse - even if I did, would I know how to use it correctly? Would I know the right time to use it, even if I knew the correct dosing in theory? YMMV on that question, but it reminds me a bit of the people who self-diagnose infections and use aquarium antibiotics in spite of not really knowing what's infected them (except possibly less harmful than that). Come on, dude, have more faith in yourself. The local warlord will need you for meds production and logistics oversight. You would be a junior captain equivalent on the civilian administration side.
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hannibal posted:GIP Emergency Preparedness: Do Not Ingest the Dye At least the thread lasted this long before descending into fantasy role play levels....
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ASAPI posted:At least the thread lasted this long before descending into fantasy role play levels.... I am dead serious though about my radiation meds. As I stated, I live close by a major military installation. It is a blatant obvious first strike-target. I have already mapped out a route to the nearest public bunker and prepared a go-bag. I think I can sprint there within a 8 to 10 minutes timeframe, or alternatively shelter in place. What is so evil about pre-stocking up on radiation meds? I am not taking food from other people.
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hannibal posted:GIP Emergency Preparedness: Do Not Ingest the Die
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Fourier Series posted:We were both semi-kidding about the warlord aspects. If you are near a "first strike" area planning for nuclear survival is pointless. You are talking about a pill that will fix all of your ailes. This just won't happen. Absolutely everything needs to line up perfectly for your plan to even have a snowball's chance in hell of working. I'm not saying attempting to stock a prescription only med is "evil". I am saying it is pointless. You are next to a primary target, there will be plenty of coverage in the area. Even with early warning, you would have to fight traffic/other people to get to your bunker (or whatever it is you plan on). This thread was grounded in reality for a good while, not so much any more.
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ASAPI posted:This thread was grounded in reality for a good while, not so much any more. Yeah, nuclear/radiation stuff has been discussed too much as it is. It's getting into zombie apocalypse territory at this point. Fourier Series, if you return to this thread when you're off probation, please drop this topic.
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ASAPI posted:I'm not saying attempting to stock a prescription only med is "evil". I am saying it is pointless. You are next to a primary target, there will be plenty of coverage in the area. Even with early warning, you would have to fight traffic/other people to get to your bunker (or whatever it is you plan on). Traffic won't matter, they are going to sprint there (for 8-10 minutes).
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OK, to get back on track- In the first page of this thread, we talked about the importance of taking a Stop the Bleed course. But the gold standard for tourniquets- North American Rescue's Combat Application Tourniquet- is large and a bit bulky for everyday carry in a pocket or on your body somewhere. There's a company called Snakestaff Systems that recently came out with what they call their Everyday Carry Tourniquet, which is 65% smaller than a CAT and designed to improve portability. They defend the smaller size by noting that their band is the same size as the actual constricting nylon strap in the CAT, and also offer a 1.5" wide version as well. Some people are concerned with it not being CoTCCC-recommended, although the manufacturers have reportedly submitted it for testing. I ordered a few and used one for testing purposes and found application to be about as quick and easy as applying a CAT, although I find the glow light to be a little gimmicky. I've been carrying one around, and I have to say I appreciate the smaller form factor. I have CATs in all of the packs I use on a daily basis/hiking/mountain biking, but I think I'll definitely keep carrying this. Also, Guerrilla Tactical also has their KIS med pouch, which is meant to be worn IWB and contains gloves, Z-folded gauze and a set of Hy-Fin compact chest seals. I haven't checked that out, but it looks like it conceals well and the user can quickly deploy the contents. Between these two things, you could have a pretty good blowout kit option concealed on your body, and it wouldn't print nearly as much as an ankle IFAK.
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I run one of those Snakestaff ECT's on my ankle IFAK's and it's great. The micro chemlight easily breaks on but that doesn't affect functional use.
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I live on a planet with a history of asteroid-induced extinction events. Does the thread have any recommendations the highest quality space suit available to civilians? Need to fill out my interplanetary bugout bag.
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Cugel the Clever posted:I live on a planet with a history of asteroid-induced extinction events. Does the thread have any recommendations the highest quality space suit available to civilians? Need to fill out my interplanetary bugout bag. Just always know where your towel is.
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Cugel the Clever posted:I live on a planet with a history of asteroid-induced extinction events. Does the thread have any recommendations the highest quality space suit available to civilians? Need to fill out my interplanetary bugout bag. As with anything: Duck tape
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look, all the really likely stuff falls under the 1-2 week long disaster thing. first aid kit, food, water, maybe a generator, sleeping bags... it's all been rehashed and it's boring to post about. all the really cool unlikely mad max/fallout stuff has also been posted to death and is boring. no, the fruitful avenue for speculation is the decade or so of strife while the government is being overthrown and the time before order of some sort of order really recoalesces. starvation rationing, black markets and barter systems, craft and repair work, joyless gardening. posts and opinions about these are what we should be getting posting mad at each other over
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Yeah, nuclear/radiation stuff has been discussed too much as it is. It's getting into zombie apocalypse territory at this point. Is it ok if I still request a medical professional poster to comment, if any are willing? So far, it has been only common laymen like me.
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Fourier Series posted:Noted that it has been discussed too much. Dude, call your doctor and see what they have to say about it. Stop trying to fish for your radiation med prescription.
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Fourier Series posted:Noted that it has been discussed too much. -"would you prescribe something called Prussian Blue to someone who wanted it?" -"I don't even know what that is" -"It is a drug for radiation exposure" -"why would they want that?" -"so they can be ready of a disaster" -"ohhhh they're prepers. I don't know, I'd have to read about it" -"okay, what if you found out it wasn't particularly harmful or addictive" -"sure, I guess"
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Cugel the Clever posted:I live on a planet with a history of asteroid-induced extinction events. Does the thread have any recommendations the highest quality space suit available to civilians? Need to fill out my interplanetary bugout bag. 
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ASAPI posted:Dude, call your doctor and see what they have to say about it. Stop trying to fish for your radiation med prescription. CopperHound posted:I live with a doctor. Most of their work as a family doctor involves telling people to eat stuff other than flaming hot Cheetos and soda. Here's roughly how the conversation went: Fourier Series fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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current events shady doc hello my friend would you like to buy some iodine pills? perhaps an unscheduled covid booster? gender affirmation treatments? certainly, I keep those in back because the teenagers keep stealing them
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The Voice of Labor posted:perhaps an unscheduled covid booster?
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Fourier Series posted:I already did. He refused, stating that despite the adverse reactions being only constipation, that it was not his area of speciality and he was not comfortable with the risk (to him). He offered to refer me to his nuclear med co-workers. Ah, I see. Your doctor, a licensed medical professional with full knowledge of your health told you no. So the logical solution is to take to the internet and trust the strangers who are totally a "medical professional" for advice! Guy, you are the reason I actively shun emergency preparedness sites/threads other than this one. Go play fantasy LARP whatever elsewhere. If I'm wrong, someone who at least convincingly pretends to be sane please correct me.
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ASAPI posted:Ah, I see. Your doctor, a licensed medical professional with full knowledge of your health told you no. So the logical solution is to take to the internet and trust the strangers who are totally a "medical professional" for advice! Seriously, this. There's emergency preparedness and then there's fantasy. This is not a thread for fantasy.
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ASAPI posted:Ah, I see. Your doctor, a licensed medical professional with full knowledge of your health told you no. So the logical solution is to take to the internet and trust the strangers who are totally a "medical professional" for advice! Yea, he wasn't willing to look into the drug since it was just a quick visit for a unrelated minor issue. He did offer to have me pay for a consultation with his nuclear med co-worker, but I am kinda cheap McNally posted:There's emergency preparedness and then there's fantasy. This is not a thread for fantasy. Fourier Series fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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Fourier Series posted:No... the reason cited by him was legal and not medical. Therefore, your point is invalid. gently caress off out of this thread, then, if you can't follow basic instructions. This thread does not exist for the gratification of your Dr. Strangelove fantasies.
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McNally posted:gently caress off out of this thread, then, if you can't follow basic instructions.
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Fourier Series posted:Nah, I am finished. All the feasible advice has already been had, with the strong consensus being that it is not worthwhile although another doctor might not mind. I will just try my luck tomorrow and that is it, case closed for me regardless of the doctor's answer. Great, don't come back.
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He didn't even tip his fedora on the way out!
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Fourier Series posted:Yea, he wasn't willing to look into the drug since it was just a quick visit for a unrelated minor issue. He did offer to have me pay for a consultation with his nuclear med co-worker, but I am kinda cheap 
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I struggle to reconcile someone who both considers themselves cheap and wants to stockpile prescription medication in case of a prolonged nuclear exchange.
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Let's move on, please. I know you're trying to goad them into coming back but that's just not fair. Funny, but not fair.
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Curious about drug expiration and repacking. Does anyone know if there's a specific way most OTC pills are packed that extends their lifespan? I can imagine oxygen being mostly responsible for degrading drug effectiveness, so that the bottles are filled with nitrogen or w/e when getting sealed, which could mean that repacking a large bottle of pills into smaller kits would be a bad idea. Like repacking a big tub of freeze-dried veg into little pouches, kinda defeats the purpose. OTOH, it could just be a nonissue where they're packed in normal atmosphere and the worst that could happen is contamination--obviously still a concern but something you could manage.
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