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golden bubble posted:To add onto this, the US military did a massive analysis of tank-on-tank fights from Normandy to Berlin with data where basically every common US tank variant fought basically every common Nazi tank variant. And the eventual conclusion was that whatever side gets the first hit will usually win the fight, regardless of which tank models are on both sides. Mass produce Ford M1918's and flood the battlefield?
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Nessus posted:At this point I'm not sure there are gonna be a lot of civilians left in Bakhmut. If they were going to yield ground for a few months, this would have been the place Governor: 5,000 people, including 37 children, remain in Bakhmut quote:Donetsk Oblast Governor Pavlo Kyrylenko said that around 5,000 people, among them 37 children, still remain in Bakhmut. According to him, most of the remaining residents refuse to leave their homes.
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And when reading contemporary reports, the users and commanders seem to place very little actual stock on the type of tank, in direct opposition to today's stat wanking. For example "Sherman" will cover 75mm and 76mm variants, without separating them. "Accompanied by TDs" is in the report, and only by finding a picture do we figure out it's a hellcat, two M36s, one M10. Those are wildly different from each other in War Thunder at least, but in the commander's eyes he just needed "a TD". Not to say that the US didn't for example prioritize shipping 76mm Shermans when the shipping capacity was tapped out, or that they didn't understand it penetrates more. But that the average commander would have much idea or care about gun caliber or length or the type of tank destroyer he'd have seems to be pretty ret-conny.
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Arc Hammer posted:Saw on the news that Russia has apparently blown an important bridge near Bakhmut. Any reports to corroborate this and explain the bridge's significance? Vital supply bridge to Ukraine's Bakhmut blown up overnight by Russian forces
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:or "How much concussive force can a crew sustain from AP shells bouncing off the hull?" There was a heavy tank in the eastern front i don't remember if it was a kv-1 or a tiger but it had the absolute poo poo shot of of it with smaller caliber guns that couldn't pen dozens of times. Eventually after they stopped firing the crew came around enough to start shooting back
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Stravag posted:There was a heavy tank in the eastern front i don't remember if it was a kv-1 or a tiger but it had the absolute poo poo shot of of it with smaller caliber guns that couldn't pen dozens of times. Eventually after they stopped firing the crew came around enough to start shooting back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Raseiniai
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Stravag posted:There was a heavy tank in the eastern front i don't remember if it was a kv-1 or a tiger but it had the absolute poo poo shot of of it with smaller caliber guns that couldn't pen dozens of times. Eventually after they stopped firing the crew came around enough to start shooting back https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/kv-tank-halted-german-advance-full-day.html?chrome=1
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A compilation of Raus' memoirs called "Panzer Operations" goes into great detail about this engagement.
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Infidelicious posted:My read is even though they've built a new defensive line; there's very little reason to pull back to it as it's just going to be subject to the same grinding attrition strategy. They're surrounded on three sides, and getting completely cut off would be very bad. Maybe it is the last possible moment!
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I don't think feeding elite units into this fight is worth it. Better to use them in counter attacks elsewhere if they want to relieve pressure on Bakhmut https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1631948412772835330
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I'm increasingly concerned about Bakhmut. I don't see the benefit in going to such lengths to hold it, seems like too great a risk. Obviously we don't know what the Ukrainians know, and they've clearly made some great tactical decisions so far, but given all that Russia gets out of it is a minor propaganda victory I don't see that it's worth throwing that many lives away for. There are apparently 5k civilians still there, though (why? It looks like hell on earth).
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Roblo posted:I'm increasingly concerned about Bakhmut. I don't see the benefit in going to such lengths to hold it, seems like too great a risk. Obviously we don't know what the Ukrainians know, and they've clearly made some great tactical decisions so far, but given all that Russia gets out of it is a minor propaganda victory I don't see that it's worth throwing that many lives away for. "I actually dig what the Russians plan to do." "One of my loved ones fits those categories and refuses to move." "I'm really stubborn." People die on arbitrary hills on these forums all the time!
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Roblo posted:I'm increasingly concerned about Bakhmut. I don't see the benefit in going to such lengths to hold it, seems like too great a risk. Obviously we don't know what the Ukrainians know, and they've clearly made some great tactical decisions so far, but given all that Russia gets out of it is a minor propaganda victory I don't see that it's worth throwing that many lives away for. Same thing was said about Severodonetsk, and I'm still not sure whether they stayed there for too long or not. Seems to have attrited the Russians to the point where they could take back Kharkiv oblast without resorting to battles of attrition, so on the balance it probably saved lives. I guess they're trying to repeat that.
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Nessus posted:"This is my family house/farm. I would rather die than lose it." Yeah I get that, to a point. But 5k people is a lot of people, and dear god it hardly looks like there are any buildings left.
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Are there any decent podcasts that cover the conflict at a fairly high level? I drive from base to home for roughly 4/5 hours every Friday and Sunday and would like to get a nuanced view of what's happening, I don't really have time during the week when I'm instructing to get a good view on events.
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Ukraine is clearly tenaciously defending the city, but how do we know they aren't in the process of pulling men and materiel out? We figured out that Russia managed to pull out of Kherson very effectively only after the fact, no?
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Charlz Guybon posted:I don't think feeding elite units into this fight is worth it. Better to use them in counter attacks elsewhere if they want to relieve pressure on Bakhmut
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Ukrainian T-72 finds some russian infantry chilling in the fields. It doesn't end well for them https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1631976243372388354 Fresh Girkin dooming https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1631969700962881539 New ukrainian-made missiles with a range of 150km https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1631978331108245505 https://twitter.com/WarintheFuture/status/1631928057702535168
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Roblo posted:Yeah I get that, to a point. But 5k people is a lot of people, and dear god it hardly looks like there are any buildings left. I'd be curious as to the number who are stubborn and want to stay in their hometown, versus those who want to get out but would prefer to throw in with the Russians. War Translated posted a video from a Ukrainian team in Bakhmut where the narrator recounts seeing locals with packed bags move to a Russian position and get evacuated through the Russian lines, though they had plenty of time to leave earlier when Ukraine controlled the area. 6:58 on the linked video. For the time before that timestamp, some extremely close-in street fighting. Nobody on camera gets hit, but Ukrainian and Russian soldiers are engaging from houses literally next door to each other. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1631757166217424900
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Guys, I think the times when russia held back fighting are over. Now they're sending their BEST https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1632004401937129472
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Power Khan posted:Guys, I think the times when russia held back fighting are over. Now they're sending their BEST When your MT-LBs run out of 30mm turrets, just slap on a dual 25mm instead... sorted.  Would be viable for static drone defence i guess.
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Gunner on top of that tube can see to the next county over. Because yes, that very much seems manually operated.
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Power Khan posted:Guys, I think the times when russia held back fighting are over. Now they're sending their BEST I mean, development of this gun began when Soviets and Nazis were best buddies (1939), so kinda fitting it is showing up now. Time is a flat circle etc. (Also, hi GiP, another GBS refugee here, just a civvie who did his 6 months mandatory military service. However, I did puke in engine compartment of a T-55 so that makes me an expert)
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Fragrag posted:Ukraine is clearly tenaciously defending the city, but how do we know they aren't in the process of pulling men and materiel out? Well we know because both sides have declared pulling out is a question of time. Ukraine forces stated that publicly days ago, people have said it online for a long time, and today Russian propaganda telegrams it: Rybar International posted:
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Power Khan posted:Guys, I think the times when russia held back fighting are over. Now they're sending their BEST For equipment recognition I always remember MT-LB as Mini Turret, Long Back. This ruins everything
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knox_harrington posted:For equipment recognition I always remember MT-LB as Mini Turret, Long Back. This ruins everything Mega Turret, Long Back
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Man Tall, Little Boat.
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Roblo posted:Yeah I get that, to a point. But 5k people is a lot of people, and dear god it hardly looks like there are any buildings left. Evacuating people, even when they are willing to go - is difficult at best, in a warzone it is a loving nightmare.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Man Tall, Little Boat. I should call her...
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mtlbs also have the distinctive nose where the driver can't actually see the road for like 12m in front of him, not that that has ever mattered wrt avoiding anti tank mines
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Valtonen posted:Gunner on top of that tube can see to the next county over. Because yes, that very much seems manually operated. Lol at the exposed open air gunners position with the massive iron sight. The better questions is does it have a motor to traverse and elevate it or is it (rusted out) hand cranks? “Target at 2 o’clock!” “Da, is about when I get this thing around..” pants and grunts at the crank and the metal scrapes and squeals into position.
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Murgos posted:Lol at the exposed open air gunners position with the massive iron sight. Apparently it is hydarulic with a manual backup. What I found fun is that they're only nominally air cooled. In actual use they required water cooling from a special hose.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:mtlbs also have the distinctive nose where the driver can't actually see the road for like 12m in front of him, not that that has ever mattered wrt avoiding anti tank mines MT-LB Myopic Transport, Large Butt.
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Murgos posted:Lol at the exposed open air gunners position with the massive iron sight. Can you imagine how that thing is going to shake and rattle when they start to shoot.
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Power Khan posted:Can you imagine how that thing is going to shake and rattle when they start to shoot. That’s assuming it gets a shot off before destruction.
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MonkeyLibFront posted:Are there any decent podcasts that cover the conflict at a fairly high level? I drive from base to home for roughly 4/5 hours every Friday and Sunday and would like to get a nuanced view of what's happening, I don't really have time during the week when I'm instructing to get a good view on events. Some of the most insightful commentators would be Michael Kofman, Mark Galeotti and Jack Watling. The main podcasts for Kofman and Galeotti are War on the Rocks and In Moscow's Shadows, but they're probably appearing in others too if you search for them in your podcast app.
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Valtonen posted:Gunner on top of that tube can see to the next county over. Because yes, that very much seems manually operated. Counterpoint: Can also get shot from the next county over
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