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My best on some DJ contract actual pay outs: 23 - $33m - guaranteed 24 - $39m - guaranteed 25 - $45m - not guaranteed 26 - $50m - not guaranteed. Really a 2 year franchise tag deal with 2 dummy years that give you the $40m per headline that if he actually performs with receivers or whatever they can extend / restructure those last two years / blah blah blah.
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Mar 3, 2023 21:41
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Poco posted:What's the deal with Richardson? I really only pat arlttention to the razorbacks with college ball. I'm guessing he's like Cam but worse? I'm not a college football guy, but from what I've heard and as I understand it he's considered a "tools" guy which is, elite arm, elite athleticism but the between the ears part and technical part of the game needs development. In other words he's one of those guys who "if he puts it together will be the next..." Allen had that same knock - if you consider it that coming out. The difference is that Allen kind of had that red-headed step child QB development where he didn't go to the fancy boi QB schools and development camps where you have coaches teaching the ins and outs of technique etc from birth. When he got to the NFL and received it, alongside a development pathway it all worked out. Richardson has from what I've heard, had all of those development leg ups but he still looks a lot like he never has. Guys keep pointing to specific drives or quarters where he's shown elite touch and accuracy and velocity and all that poo poo that makes scouts excited but he's failed more than he's succeeded. As much as everyone likes to have those pie in the sky come the hour come the man dreams about prospects it's waaaaay more likely people fall to the level of their ability under pressure rather than rise to the occasion and his floor is real fuckin' low. I still think there's enough there from what I've seen - watching breakdown videos etc, that maybe the right situation he could be something but I really don't think he's worth trading up for and not for a team that needs a guy to start today. If the plan was for him to sit for two years behind some established veteran on an all star coaching staff, maybe but you have to wonder if he can't thrive with all the advantages he's had off field and all the ones he clearly has in the triangle numbers... Cam comparably, had a pretty good development path that got hosed by not getting to start at florida, some dumb off field stuff and a Juco transfer, but when he got his chance at Auburn he showed everything you'd want to see from an ascending prospect. No bad games, no bad drives, the ability to just take the gently caress over. He also spent a lot of time working with guys like Chris Weinke and other elite development gurus pre draft. The panthers went deep with their diligence too, reportedly watching every pass from his college career and doing long interviews with his coaches from those camps who all had the same report. AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I'm loving that the Panthers have assembled this all star staff but are high on a bad college QB. Millen was insistent that Malik Willis would be a first round pick and was climbing into the top half of the draft because he interviewed well. The panthers probably just did their due diligence and spoke to the guy and he got a tumescent at the thought of finally being right with a tweet after being wrong, every single time. Given they're currently picking at 9 it makes sense for them to consider the 4th best QB when you're the 4th needy team in the draft order. They also spoke positively about Hooker who'd be right there for them in the 2nd if they were so inclined but that's not as sexy in terms of headlines as the Panthers trading up for the polarising prospect.
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Mar 3, 2023 22:04
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I'm fine with however much they want to give Jones as long as they don't put themselves in Russell Wilson/ Aaron Rodgers cap hell if they decide he's not the guy after 2 years. They need a top flight WR but there's gently caress all in FA to spend on anyway and the cap will continue to go up so v v
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Mar 3, 2023 22:10
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Diva Cupcake posted:Also, Schefter saying Rodgers' choices will most likely either be retirement or the Jets. So he’s going to Tampa Bay then.
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Mar 3, 2023 23:14
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BlindSite posted:I'm not a college football guy, but from what I've heard and as I understand it he's considered a "tools" guy which is, elite arm, elite athleticism but the between the ears part and technical part of the game needs development. He's somewhere in between Cam or Josh Allen and Logan Thomas, which is a wide rear end gap and I have no idea which direction he'll end up going. Just super elite athleticism and arm talent, but for whatever reason he's never put it together other than for a game or two here and there. Before this last year Dan Mullen didn't like him or trust him apparently, which may have cost him his job but also makes me wonder what he didn't see in him. But Mullen rode the Emory Jones train straight to unemployment rather than give Richardson a shot to really play other than as a wildcat QB outside of 2 games. He's sort of a mystery box because he only actually got to start one year, his accuracy is not the greatest looking but whew when he does something right he does it right. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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Mar 4, 2023 01:29
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I can't think of anything more terrifying than one year starter with athletic traits. Just screams DO NOT DRAFT!
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Mar 4, 2023 03:09
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Sataere posted:I can't think of anything more terrifying than one year starter with athletic traits. Just screams DO NOT DRAFT! You’re not wrong but if he’s the only elite qb prospect left at a certain point then most teams kind of have to gamble. Teams either have a franchise qb or they don’t. Outside of SF, those teams that don’t have a franchise qb don’t get playoff success. 5% chance of a franchise qb is better than 0%.
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Mar 4, 2023 03:29
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Ornery and Hornery posted:You’re not wrong but if he’s the only elite qb prospect left at a certain point then most teams kind of have to gamble. Teams either have a franchise qb or they don’t. Outside of SF, those teams that don’t have a franchise qb don’t get playoff success. I mean, you can get 5% in the second or third round. You don't waste a top ten pick on it
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Mar 4, 2023 03:42
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I’m not sure any of this class of QBs would be considered elite prospects. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye would both probably be rated higher than Young or Stroud.
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Mar 4, 2023 03:55
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Sataere posted:I mean, you can get 5% in the second or third round. You don't waste a top ten pick on it I’m not going to argue the exact % or the threshold for elite franchise QB. Teams are much more likely to get a franchise qb from prospects that the market determine are worth first rounders compared to prospects in later rounds.
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Mar 4, 2023 03:56
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Diva Cupcake posted:I’m not sure any of this class of QBs would be considered elite prospects. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye would both probably be rated higher than Young or Stroud. Stroud is loving amazing and I’m shocked he is not the consensus #1. Well, besides his terrible media presence and looking up to Watson lol
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Mar 4, 2023 03:57
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I'm at the point where I want the Colts to draft Stroud but if they draft Richardson at least it should be pretty entertaining
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Mar 4, 2023 04:11
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Diva Cupcake posted:I’m not sure any of this class of QBs would be considered elite prospects. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye would both probably be rated higher than Young or Stroud. I think being considered a top five draft pick makes you an elite prospect. If you are trying to compare to guys like Luck coming out, I'd argue those guys are generational talents. Those kind of players only come out rarely.
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Mar 4, 2023 04:13
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Diva Cupcake posted:I’m not sure any of this class of QBs would be considered elite prospects. 
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Mar 4, 2023 04:17
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Sataere posted:I think being considered a top five draft pick makes you an elite prospect. If you are trying to compare to guys like Luck coming out, I'd argue those guys are generational talents. Those kind of players only come out rarely. Which is to say Richardson is not in any way an elite prospect imo.
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Mar 4, 2023 04:25
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Stroud is loving amazing and I’m shocked he is not the consensus #1. Well, besides his terrible media presence and looking up to Watson lol He needs to keep saying dumb poo poo so he falls all the way to five.
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Mar 4, 2023 05:21
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Diva Cupcake posted:If you actually get drafted in the top 5, then sure. Maybe. Was Trubisky elite but not Watson? Was Bortles? Lots of mid QB prospects get pegged as top 5 picks by analysts and even then the reality of the draft hits and they’re a late 1st or in Malik Willis’ case a 3rd rounder. I thought Lance Zierlein's take on ATN the other day was interesting, that amateur/media draft analysis is becoming increasingly disconnected from NFL team analysis because it drives more clicks. Resulting in as you said "wtf Malik Willis fell to the 3rd round??? He was day 1 in every mock" when apparently no team gave a poo poo about him and based on early returns he is not good I don't think being drafted high makes you ipso facto an incredible prospect. Diva's mention of Trubisky, where the Bears played themselves to get him, is a perfect example. Sometimes teams just suck rear end at evaluating guys. Lamar went with the literal last pick of the first round, and teams were asking him if he would convert to WR. Was he a bad prospect or were 31 teams loving morons? Docjowles fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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Mar 4, 2023 05:55
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Diva Cupcake posted:If you actually get drafted in the top 5, then sure. Maybe. Was Trubisky elite but not Watson? Was Bortles? Lots of mid QB prospects get pegged as top 5 picks by analysts and even then the reality of the draft hits and they’re a late 1st or in Malik Willis’ case a 3rd rounder. I thought Watson and Mahomes were elite talents in that draft. I was way higher on that class than everyone else was. I don't think this class is that far off.
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Mar 4, 2023 06:34
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Docjowles posted:I thought Lance Zierlein's take on ATN the other day was interesting, that amateur/media draft analysis is becoming increasingly disconnected from NFL team analysis because it drives more clicks. Resulting in as you said "wtf Malik Willis fell to the 3rd round??? He was day 1 in every mock" when apparently no team gave a poo poo about him and based on early returns he is not good It does happen quite a bit, especially when some guys come off the board and everyone on the internet is like 'LOL' 'LMAO' "OMFG' and every team has them in the top two or three at the position and it shocks no one in the know. There's some funny poo poo that happens too but I'm never that surprised when someone goes 2nd at their position and draftniks have them at like 12th or something.
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Mar 5, 2023 01:46
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Codependent Poster posted:I'm at the point where I want the Colts to draft Stroud but if they draft Richardson at least it should be pretty entertaining Lol they will trade back and sign Baker.
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Docjowles posted:I thought Lance Zierlein's take on ATN the other day was interesting, that amateur/media draft analysis is becoming increasingly disconnected from NFL team analysis because it drives more clicks. Resulting in as you said "wtf Malik Willis fell to the 3rd round??? He was day 1 in every mock" when apparently no team gave a poo poo about him and based on early returns he is not good Teams were morons with Lamar, yes. A lot of us on TFF had him as the best QB in the 2018 draft class. Don't ask about our evaluation of Josh Rosen from the same draft class.
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Mar 5, 2023 03:15
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MrLogan posted:Teams were morons with Lamar, yes. A lot of us on TFF had him as the best QB in the 2018 draft class. I was sold on Rosen too. Welp.
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Mar 5, 2023 03:19
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Yeah any victory laps Internet draftniks want to take for Lamar is kind of offset by the Rosen and Allen evaluations.
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Mar 5, 2023 03:27
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Docjowles posted:I was sold on Rosen too. Welp. I don't know if Rosen had a high ceiling, but I feel like that man was set up to fail
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Shinji2015 posted:I don't know if Rosen had a high ceiling, but I feel like that man was set up to fail Yeah I don't think I was sold on Rosen exactly. But I had no idea he'd be so disastrous and helped along that path to being disastrous every single step of the way. And being given a shove if he wasn't getting bad enough fast enough at times.
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Mar 5, 2023 03:33
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fsif posted:Yeah any victory laps Internet draftniks want to take for Lamar is kind of offset by the Rosen and Allen evaluations. Allen will confuse me for the rest of my life.
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Grittybeard posted:Yeah I don't think I was sold on Rosen exactly. But I had no idea he'd be so disastrous and helped along that path to being disastrous every single step of the way. And being given a shove if he wasn't getting bad enough fast enough at times. Yeah, like if there's a textbook example on how not to treat a developing QB it's his career
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a neat cape posted:Allen will confuse me for the rest of my life. Yeah it's hard to think of a better example of a guy going from comical bust to legit annual MVP contender in like 1 season. I definitely thought the Bills had hosed up. Guess we get to try again this year with Richardson. Although he at least went to a name school as opposed to Allen missing his WR's so bad the park service had to ask him to stop feeding the bears in Grand Teton. They really went out on a limb to take Allan and god drat it worked
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Mar 5, 2023 04:05
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Rosen always sucked and people got mad as gently caress when you said so. He was always going to suck in the nfl. Deffo wasn't wrong on that chump.
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Mar 5, 2023 04:19
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On 7 teams in 5 years and never lasted a full 365 days with one of them
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Mar 5, 2023 04:50
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Docjowles posted:Although he at least went to a name school as opposed to Allen missing his WR's so bad the park service had to ask him to stop feeding the bears in Grand Teton. that's one of the reasons I doubt he'll succeed anywhere near as much. he's been to all the fancy prep coaching and good training environments any young qb can have, whereas Allen had none of that and they both look about a similar level of raw coming into the draft. if a guy has decent coaching for the first time it makes sense he'd improve at least a bit, but it seems like Richardson has already had some of the best coaching you could ask for
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Mar 5, 2023 04:54
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wasn't one of the knocks on Rosen that he might be "too smart" to be an nfl qb
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indigi posted:wasn't one of the knocks on Rosen that he might be "too smart" to be an nfl qb Yeah I remember this being a thing as well as him being too "woke" or whatever. It all came across as weird antisemitic crap.
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indigi posted:wasn't one of the knocks on Rosen that he might be "too smart" to be an nfl qb Some of it came from his tennis skills as a youth quote:at age 12 he was the No. 1-ranked player for his age group in Southern California and top-50 in the country,[2] and he became a top-10 player in junior rankings. He was introduced to football in elementary school by a friend's father who was a youth coach.[11] Right before high school, Rosen switched from tennis to football.[12]
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The vibes continue to be very bad with the Ravens/Lamar. https://twitter.com/jfowlerespn/status/1632389210328973312?s=46&t=xGJJVYA0BbTd6_vS0aNJig Not sure what it says otherwise—I don’t have ESPN +. But if they do the non-exclusive I feel like teams would *rush* to trade two firsts for Lamar.
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What I saw there was that the Raiders aren’t completely out of the veteran QB market with Rodgers still being floated and possibly Jimmy G.
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Mac Jones to the Raiders and Lamar to the Pats as an RFA because we live in hellworld.
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Don’t you dare speak that evil into the world
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