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Coolness Averted posted:"degenerate art" Are you saying you assumed he was a secret antisemite for thinking James Joyce is trash?
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rodbeard posted:Are you saying you assumed he was a secret antisemite for thinking James Joyce is trash? No, I'm saying I assumed the original account was one of those 'return to tradition' fash dudes sharing a quote from an old stuffy brit they felt supported their worldview. Also you know the fash grouped a helluva lot of other 'undesirables' and stuff like all postmodern art in their dumb 'degenerate art' category, right? It wasn't strictly all antisemitism.
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Mar 5, 2023 04:39
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Degenerate art was the specific phrase Hitler came up with because he was butthurt about failing as an artist which is why it's associated with antisemitism. I should have been more specific. It's a bit of a loaded phrase to be using just because a guy didn't like James Joyce.
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Mar 5, 2023 04:56
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I just posted it because the guy's pants were up to his nipples
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Mar 5, 2023 05:03
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Technically Hitler came up with the phrase Entartete Kunst. “Degenerate art” is merely the orthodox English translation.
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Mar 5, 2023 05:07
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rodbeard posted:Degenerate art was the specific phrase Hitler came up with because he was butthurt about failing as an artist which is why it's associated with antisemitism. I should have been more specific. It's a bit of a loaded phrase to be using just because a guy didn't like James Joyce. Once again to clarify I'm saying I thought the op was here because it was a modern fascist using a dead white guy's quote to prop up their position. It was just a person really into joyce dunking on Moore with a photo of how goofy he looked, and was also only posted here because of the goofy photo. I'm not saying Moore was fascist or antisemitic for not liking Joyce.
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Mar 5, 2023 05:33
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grittyreboot posted:I just posted it because the guy's pants were up to his nipples way to gently caress up idiot
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Mar 5, 2023 05:34
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Coolness Averted posted:the fat man is patrick moore a famous british astronomer and public intellectual known for being incredibly dour and also a skilled xylophone player, which utterly contrasted his demeanor since it was so whimsical. He's been dead for some time. I'm assuming the idiot quoting it is just doing that typical reactionary "appeal to august elders to explain a hatred for degenerate art" shtick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO_Ckg5ott8
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Mar 5, 2023 05:50
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Thank you for posting that so I didn't have too
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Mar 5, 2023 06:16
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rodbeard posted:Also they apparently only removed the anti-black racism from the books but left in the part that says Koreans are lower than apes. So what, was the stuff about Koreans the only thing that was left?
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Mar 5, 2023 06:28
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Samovar posted:So what, was the stuff about Koreans the only thing that was left? From what I read they only changed the antiblack racism and left all other racist comments and misogyny: https://www.dw.com/en/james-bond-se...erary%20estate. I did not do much digging but somehow when my buddy decided to read some of the books in college the library copy he took out was the original British version that had some casual use of the n-word in chapter titles that got censored out before bringing the books over to America. That happened while he was alive so that was used as justification to tone down just racism against black people in the latest reprinting based on him signing off on past revisions. The publishers were basically afraid to make the books any less racist to avoid making people mad but of course any change makes culture warriors mad and everyone else is asking why they left everything else in the books.
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Mar 5, 2023 07:15
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I can understand why they're sticking to just removing the most blatantly racist bits from Ian Fleming's novels. To do much more you'd have to almost rewrite the drat things.
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Mar 5, 2023 07:52
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Shardix posted:Thank you for posting that so I didn't have too frankly the fact people didn't recognize him instead of immediately posting the weebl and bob video made me feel old
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Mar 5, 2023 08:06
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But also let's have another children's movie flavor of idiocy  I am going to sue marvel for the blatant false advertising of blorko's end credit scene
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Mar 5, 2023 08:31
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Finally the Neverending Story lawsuit can become reality
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Mar 5, 2023 09:00
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Coolness Averted posted:But also let's have another children's movie flavor of idiocy lol I saw some of the tweets and they keep citing "evidents"
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Mar 5, 2023 10:14
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Coolness Averted posted:the fat man is patrick moore a famous british astronomer and public intellectual known for being incredibly dour and also a skilled xylophone player, which utterly contrasted his demeanor since it was so whimsical. He's been dead for some time. I'm assuming the idiot quoting it is just doing that typical reactionary "appeal to august elders to explain a hatred for degenerate art" shtick Aren't you forgetting his little role as a disembodied cyber/ steampunk, royal and/ or divine head that mocked small children and dispensed videogame advice? tight aspirations has a new favorite as of 10:24 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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Mar 5, 2023 10:21
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Coolness Averted posted:the fat man is patrick moore a famous british astronomer and public intellectual known for being incredibly dour and also a skilled xylophone player, which utterly contrasted his demeanor since it was so whimsical. He's been dead for some time. I'm assuming the idiot quoting it is just doing that typical reactionary "appeal to august elders to explain a hatred for degenerate art" shtick Wait, Patrick Moore actually did play the xylophone? I thought it was a non-sequitur from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO_Ckg5ott8 EDIT: Oh goddamnit some already did post that. I am legit surprised that he actually knew how to play apparently. Unlucky7 has a new favorite as of 10:35 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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Mar 5, 2023 10:33
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Alex Jones* has a repeated bit where Moonraker actually reveals 'The Globalists' plans and Fleming actually wrote it as a coded warning of their sinister schemes. Bio-weapons, eugenics etc, etc. But he says all of this stuff based on the Film. He's clearly never read the book (even though he's pretending to) and has no idea it's completely different from the plot of the movie, which is of course 'Lets riff off of Star Wars and see if we can get similar mountains of cash'. *This is from listening to Knowledge Fight, the podcast deconstructing him, not actually a fan of his I hasten to add. Deptfordx has a new favorite as of 10:45 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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grittyreboot posted:https://twitter.com/johnstonglenn/status/1632152114162982915?t=LfV6juICT1nJWCoS81lCPw&s=19 Probably worth pointing out that in the UK this grotesque racist fossil was the face of video games in the 1990s on TV and would dole out cheat codes and put kids against each other in street fighter and whatnot. Also he was a cyborg.
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Mar 5, 2023 10:48
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Unlucky7 posted:Wait, Patrick Moore actually did play the xylophone?
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Mar 5, 2023 11:15
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rodbeard posted:From what I read they only changed the antiblack racism and left all other racist comments and misogyny: Well, I can at least say that the Bond books were not the most racist books I've read; that 'award' would have to go to the Fu Manchu series. And I've read Mein Kampf.
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Mar 5, 2023 12:50
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Well I mean there is a reason fu Manchu is basically a genre unto itself
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Mar 5, 2023 13:08
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Samovar posted:I've read Mein Kampf. 
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Mar 5, 2023 13:13
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That's not what people meant by"Read another book"
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Mar 5, 2023 13:20
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My "I've read Mein Kampf" t-shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by the shirt.
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Mar 5, 2023 13:31
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lobsterminator posted:My "I've read Mein Kampf" t-shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by the shirt. If you were a real fan you’d know Hitler’s first hate crime.
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Mar 5, 2023 13:50
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I feel like you're allowed an average of one mein kampf brag a year.
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Mar 5, 2023 13:52
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Tiggum posted:[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Government] Jennifer Government isn't a perfect read, but it is a good read, I would recommend it. Even when Max Barry's books aren't objectively good, they always have good ideas.
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Mar 5, 2023 14:11
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NationStates was an entertaining browser game based on it, too
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like you're allowed an average of one mein kampf brag a year. 7 posts in 8.5 years, they just made it.
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Mar 5, 2023 14:38
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The James Bond edits remind me of the recent outrage about how Roald Dahl books have been edited and chuds have been considering it a cardinal sin to do this. They'll also accuse liberals of double standards about it-"They're fine with third graders reading the Gender Queer book but God forbid we read what Dahl originally wrote about Oomla Loompahs!"
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Mar 5, 2023 15:02
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Tiggum posted:You seem to be weirdly proud of that. Tbh., if you manage to read Mein Kampf front to the center, that's an achievement. It is incoherent drivel and the prose is garbage. It's even worse if you read it in German. It makes the fact that millions of households proudly displayed it in their bookshelf even crazier. How do you subscribe to an ideology when its influential manifesto is complete nonsense? Controversial statement, I know, but… Mein Kampf? Bad book.
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Mar 5, 2023 15:13
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Antigravitas posted:How do you subscribe to an ideology when its influential manifesto is complete nonsense? I mean, conservatism has a similar problem, the sane ones believe in utterly nonsense economics and the crazy ones believe in literal demon aliens eating children.
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Antigravitas posted:Tbh., if you manage to read Mein Kampf front to the center, that's an achievement. It is incoherent drivel and the prose is garbage. It's even worse if you read it in German. It makes the fact that millions of households proudly displayed it in their bookshelf even crazier. How do you subscribe to an ideology when its influential manifesto is complete nonsense? I see that and I raise you "Bespuća povijesne zbiljnosti" by Franjo Tuđman. The title itself is so pretentiously stupid that it's almost untranslatable to other languages, in part because that locally-famous fascist dictator decided to completely invent "old/pure Croatian words", straight from his rear end. ("Wastelands of Historical Realitiness", basically) No, I haven't read it nor will I ever even consider reading it, tyvm. gbut has a new favorite as of 15:24 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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Mar 5, 2023 15:22
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Antigravitas posted:Tbh., if you manage to read Mein Kampf front to the center, that's an achievement. It is incoherent drivel and the prose is garbage. It's even worse if you read it in German. It makes the fact that millions of households proudly displayed it in their bookshelf even crazier. How do you subscribe to an ideology when its influential manifesto is complete nonsense? It is by all accounts a horrible slog of a book so I can sort of see why a person would want others to get something out of the experience, namely “bragging rights”. It’s a self-own to admit to reading it on one’s free time though. Why would they subject themselves to that?
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Mar 5, 2023 15:30
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Hitler badly needed a good editor. Mein Kampf is a mess.
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Desert Bus posted:Hitler badly needed a good editor. Mein Kampf is a mess. Why would you say something so brave, yet so controversial?
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Mar 5, 2023 15:42
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Even Musso panned it.quote:JAN. 7 1939: I have tried to read some passages in "Mein Kampf." It is nonsense. The author calls it the Bible of the New Germany. He believes that he has thought up a masterpiece. Unreadable. The incoherence of that insane madman of a Rasputin of Hitler: Alfred Rosenberg.
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Desert Bus posted:Hitler badly needed a good editor. Mein Kampf is a mess. Some sort of Final Solution to the problems of his work.
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