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Ah, we got to the part where people are like, well, Melkor, what exactly did you think was gonna happen when you promised everything in the world to a being which is infinitely greedy. Am I supposed to read Mandos as being the cattiest lil valar when Feanor says he'll be the first to die and Mandos goes "not the first" or is that supposed to be about his dad and not his mom. Because I read it about his mom and was like, drat, Mandos got claws.
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Barudak posted:Ah, we got to the part where people are like, well, Melkor, what exactly did you think was gonna happen when you promised everything in the world to a being which is infinitely greedy. I think it was supposed to be both a callback and a prophecy. it applies to mom, his dad, the kinslaying, the Noldor who would die on the Helcaraxë after Fëanor burned the ships, arguably the Trees
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Vavrek posted:Fëanor is great. Was talking about the One Ring before and there's definitely a running theme in Tolkien that epic heroes and kings and gods may be able to do mighty things they are also just as flawed and their power means the consequences of those flaws are horrific, and they are all the more vulnerable to corruption and going down terrible paths. While there's a theme that a lot of the best people are the ones who just want to chill and be merry and hang out with friends and guests, feasting and singing.
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Feb 12, 2023 06:00
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Fatty Bolger is the true hero of the saga
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Feb 12, 2023 10:34
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Fatty Bolger is the true hero of the saga Fatty Bolger deserves credit for noping out at the first suggestion of anything strenuous, but the true hero of Frodo’s friends is Folco Boffin, who helped him pack all his stuff up at Bag End, had lunch, and then went home. None of this “magic” “ring” “quest” bullshit for him
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Was talking about the One Ring before and there's definitely a running theme in Tolkien that epic heroes and kings and gods may be able to do mighty things they are also just as flawed and their power means the consequences of those flaws are horrific, and they are all the more vulnerable to corruption and going down terrible paths. While there's a theme that a lot of the best people are the ones who just want to chill and be merry and hang out with friends and guests, feasting and singing. Just like IRL (In Rings Life)
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skasion posted:Fatty Bolger deserves credit for noping out at the first suggestion of anything strenuous, but the true hero of Frodo’s friends is Folco Boffin, who helped him pack all his stuff up at Bag End, had lunch, and then went home. None of this “magic” “ring” “quest” bullshit for him Imagine being the guy who was less reliable than Fatty.
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Feb 12, 2023 18:52
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Fatty Bolger staying behind like a bitch was an important part of splitting up the Nazgűl, otherwise they could have all gone to and surrounded Bree preventing their escape. he arguably saved the fellowship! then he became a Shire partisan which redeemed his cowardice I think
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Got to Faenor's oath and boy that was not expected from the audience. Quite a lot of "what is wrong with these elves, this is not how they were" and also the worlds #1 Galadriel stan curious how it all goes down for her given her extremely, comically, stupid cousins. I like how humans don't even exist yet and Faenor is putting them on the shitlist.
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Feb 14, 2023 13:29
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The elves in the time of LotR are relatively nice and chill because they're the surviving ones from all that poo poo
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indigi posted:Fatty Bolger staying behind like a bitch was an important part of splitting up the Nazgűl, otherwise they could have all gone to and surrounded Bree preventing their escape. he arguably saved the fellowship! then he became a Shire partisan which redeemed his cowardice I think Hold on didn't Fatty stay behind in Frodo's house as a decoy for the Nazgul? Hard to call that cowardly as they might well just have killed him
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Fatty Bolger did nothing wrong. Wasn't he helping out Farmer Cotton and his stout lads in resisting Sharkeys thugs. Been too long since I read scouring.
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Fatty Bolger survived the spiritual onslaught of four nazgul besieging Crickhollow with their aura of fear and darkness. A lesser being would have cowered, paralyzed with fear, until being captured and/or killed by the wraiths; Fatty managed to escape and raise the alarm in Buckland, driving the nazgul away and out of the Shire altogether. He's a goddamn hero.
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keep punching joe posted:Fatty Bolger did nothing wrong. Until he was imprisoned and starved, yes. Dude served hard time for the cause.
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SixFigureSandwich posted:Hold on didn't Fatty stay behind in Frodo's house as a decoy for the Nazgul? Hard to call that cowardly as they might well just have killed him He stayed behind cause he was more afraid of the Old Forest than Frodo's tales of the Nazgűl
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Faenor you absolutely astonishingly stupid Noldor. Finarfin forever.
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Fingolfin actually
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I appreciate Finarfin's "gently caress this Im out" thinking. Also seriously, this book is pretty readable for all the jokes it gets. You just really gotta go into it as you reading a dry translation of a primary source epic poem and your golden. Thanks 4 years of Latin in school and forced translation work!
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And so everything was very nice in the small corner of middle earth called Beleriand, where the Elves and the Dwarves held hands and sang songs of friendship each and every day content knowing that nothing would ever change that
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There's a reason that one meme has one of the books just titled 'Feanor No' isn't there
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's a reason that one meme has one of the books just titled 'Feanor No' isn't there yah e: for the unaware https://twitter.com/LotRLore/status/643619894353784832?s=20
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Just got to the chapter "On Men" and yeah the general reaction is Elves are lucky there isn't a Valar in charge of HR
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DontMockMySmock posted:Fatty Bolger survived the spiritual onslaught of four nazgul besieging Crickhollow with their aura of fear and darkness. A lesser being would have cowered, paralyzed with fear, until being captured and/or killed by the wraiths; Fatty managed to escape and raise the alarm in Buckland, driving the nazgul away and out of the Shire altogether. He's a goddamn hero. Hobbits really are looking like Gandalf playing the Long Game by cultivating a whole society of people who can just No Sell supernatural evil and megalomaniacal temptation, it's like a super soldier program but for fantasy protagonists
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Asterite34 posted:Hobbits really are looking like Gandalf playing the Long Game by cultivating a whole society of people who can just No Sell supernatural evil and megalomaniacal temptation, it's like a super soldier program but for fantasy protagonists Well sure, they have an upper-class English lifestyle, what's to tempt them? Meanwhile if you live within a thousand miles of Osgiliath, you farm dirt and kill anything that starts getting black striations in its veins from drinking water from the cursed river downflow from the death metal forest.
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And so Feanor got wrecked, just absolutely savaged, and his cries of "Im not owned, Im not owned" rang out as he shrivled and turned into a burnt corn husk
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And his spirit traveled to the Halls of Mandos, where it got loving beat up constantly by the spirits of all the other elves he got killed.
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You see Noldor elves walk like this, but Sindar elves walk like this Curse you Tolkein, for making me wonder what a stand up special stereotypical Noldor voice sounds like.
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Barudak posted:You see Noldor elves walk like this, but Sindar elves walk like this Feanor and his sons had a tendency to pronounce “s” as “th” and they thought the other Noldor were losers for saying “s”. Maedhros probably pronounced his own name “maethroth”. This sounds like a joke but is actually true
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"Look at me, Im a Noldor and Im thick of all theeth joketh" <entire menegroth audience starts laughing solid 2 minutes as Galadriel realizes maybe she shouldn't have sat in the front row>
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feanor getting the jerry seinfeld campus protest treatment when he tries to go back on tour after the kinslaying
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Caranthir being forced to sell his kingdom after a bizzare, extended rant about the Naugrim.
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Tolkien's whole thing was languages, of course he absolutely figured out regional accents for every character and then some. There's an old saying that Tolkien came up with a bunch of languages and then made a story to fit them all in. It's probably true.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Tolkien's whole thing was languages, of course he absolutely figured out regional accents for every character and then some. Iirc he started quenya several years even before ww1, when even the pre-mythos elf lore was but a twinkle in his eye.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Iirc he started quenya several years even before ww1, when even the pre-mythos elf lore was but a twinkle in his eye. The earliest Book of Lost Tales material is a year or two later than the earliest layer of the Qenya Lexicon, and is the only strict referent of Tolkien’s claim that the language came first. hence, for example. the Qenya lexicon’s explicitly Christian vocabulary items are intended to agree with the abandoned plot thread of the elves lingering in Luthany-Britain long enough that eventually the Rúmhoth (Romans) and later the Ingwaiwar (Ingvaeonic peoples) show up and happen to record their lost tales. The plot concept clearly flows directly from Tolkien’s philological interest in creating glosses for English words that were particularly of interest to him as a devout Catholic, then creating an explanation for why such glosses would exist. I think the way to imagine it is probably that Tolkien developed the story concepts in parallel with the lexicon, but obviously more slowly since it doesn’t take all that long to decide what the elvish word for “dick” is.
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I like the elf who explicitly believes Christ will come to redeem Ea
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indigi posted:I like the elf who explicitly believes Christ will come to redeem Ea The Protoevangelium of Saint Finrod
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I really wish there was an equivalent human Silmarillion. This story so far except Chapter 14, aka "The Adventure Areas for your Campaign", is a hilariously biased elf story with a lot of pretty fun action and characters so itd be great to have the human equivalent. Vala what now? Let me tell you about the honored ancestors Eorl and Cirion and their eternal and sacred oath that binds our people.
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