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Pope Corky the IX posted:I wasn't watching WCW much at the time and I'm confused...Buff Bagwell was doing the Chucky laugh like a year before Chucky showed up? I'm not sure what you mean by this. Buff Bagwell did like, a cocky heel laugh sometimes, but it didn't sound anything like Chucky. In the few weeks leading up to the Chucky thing, they would play the Chucky laugh during promos that involved Buff Bagwell/Scott Steiner/Rick Steiner. But Buff was not the one doing the laugh.
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Tell me about Raven in ECW before he left in 97. The first time I saw Raven was as a kid vs Benoit in 98 WCW and he was instantly my favourite. Going back I've hardly seen any pre 97 Raven in ECW except for the Sandman/Funk match. Raven was still a lazy drug addict in his first ECW run but he hadn't destroyed his pancreas yet so he was capable of having very fun matches, and did with a wider variety of people than you'd think: his title matches with Shane Douglas and Steve Williams were good and his match against Terry Gordy was a violent brawl booked around Gordy's post-coma limitations so he looked like a killer again. He also improved the pacing of ECW TV immensely because he had production experience and got Paul E. watching old Mid South TV for ideas. Raven was also unique in that he was at first glance a cool edgy character with a modern look for the time, but he was such a whiny little poo poo that most ECW fans hated him and wanted guys like Dreamer and Sandman to kill him. To be a proper heel in a company that purposely cheered heels to be contrary is no small feat.
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He also swiped his character from Point Break
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El Gallinero Gros posted:He also swiped his character from Point Break This makes so much sense in retrospect. In Lucha when does the wrestler leaving the ring count as a “tag”? Ie if I do a suicida to the outside can my tag partner step in the moment I clear the ropes or hit the ground? What if I’m caught like this guy? purkey posted:https://twitter.com/aregularindyfan/status/1631864100870340614?s=46&t=0kl4CfDsmbzrnKxi0_5FYw Is it gone rope? The catch? The moment I touch the ground? I realize the actual answer is whatever the match requires, but I’m wondering if there is a rule that defines it in some Lucha commission bylaws.
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Nystral posted:This makes so much sense in retrospect. as soon as you're out of the ring you're illegal
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After last night, I can confidently say it’s whatever they think is coolest. They usually seemed to tag in whenever a wrestler left the ring unless there was a big spot coming up. Then they’d just wait for the spot to enter
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What is the difference between a Death Valley Driver and a Spiccoli Driver? I can never tell
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Was the 1-2-3 Kid the first non-roided or just generally not huge guy with moderate success in the WWF? Did he even win any titles in that gimmick?
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Elephant Ambush posted:What is the difference between a Death Valley Driver and a Spiccoli Driver? I can never tell Nothing. Same move. Just renamed after Louie Spicolli after he died because he popularised the move in North America
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forkboy84 posted:Nothing. Same move. Just renamed after Louie Spicolli after he died because he popularised the move in North America Thanks  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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A comment in the AEW thread made me curious: how many iron man matches have their been which weren't decided by one fall? Like, it's obvious why most of them find a way to make all of the time on the clock meaningful. Have any gone with "yeah this guy's just much better?"
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Halloween Jack posted:They're probably not the type of guys you're thinking of, but like Piper and Backlund were big draws and weren't tall guys or muscle bears. And like, Tito Santana, who had a shorter pre-WWF career than Waltman did. Ricky Steamboat too.
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Hand Knit posted:A comment in the AEW thread made me curious: how many iron man matches have their been which weren't decided by one fall? Like, it's obvious why most of them find a way to make all of the time on the clock meaningful. Have any gone with "yeah this guy's just much better?" That said it would be amazing to have an ironman match where like Wardlow was up 7-0 on Ryan Nemeth after 5 minutes and Peter Avalon threw in the towel
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Dr. Quarex posted:That said it would be amazing to have an ironman match where like Wardlow was up 7-0 on Ryan Nemeth after 5 minutes and Peter Avalon threw in the towel hahahahahhaa
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Hand Knit posted:A comment in the AEW thread made me curious: how many iron man matches have their been which weren't decided by one fall? Like, it's obvious why most of them find a way to make all of the time on the clock meaningful. Have any gone with "yeah this guy's just much better?" I glanced through what I could find from cagematch since 2013. Probably about 98% of the matches where draw or one point win, some were two point difference and there were handful of very short matches with a bigger margin (i.e. five minute iron man match ending 5-0) I think Lulu Pencil vs Chris Brookes (30 min) might be a best example of a long iron man match that breaks the mold. Ends 3-1 with Lulu getting her only point 10 seconds before the end Kennel fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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Dr. Quarex posted:It really seems like the ironman match is only ever used in situations where the assumption is that the dudes are incredibly evenly matched and you do not want whichever one happens to get lucky first to be the definitive winner. Not an iron man match but one of the best understated bits of Omega/Okada 4 is that Okada would of won if he didn't escalates Kenny's no time like stip with best 2 out of 3 falls stip as well
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purkey posted:After last night, I can confidently say it’s whatever they think is coolest. They usually seemed to tag in whenever a wrestler left the ring unless there was a big spot coming up. Then they’d just wait for the spot to enter It's definitely about as strictly enforced as tag rules in the US. But I'm glad you got to go, especially now that CMLL is kind of hot again.
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CombineThresher posted:Raven was also unique in that he was at first glance a cool edgy character with a modern look for the time, but he was such a whiny little poo poo that most ECW fans hated him and wanted guys like Dreamer and Sandman to kill him. To be a proper heel in a company that purposely cheered heels to be contrary is no small feat. Especially given as unlike the Dudleys he wasn't just calling ECW fans' mommas whores or something. It was actual capital H heel work.
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forkboy84 posted:Nothing. Same move. Just renamed after Louie Spicolli after he died because he popularised the move in North America
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Super Dan posted:I'm not sure what you mean by this. Buff Bagwell did like, a cocky heel laugh sometimes, but it didn't sound anything like Chucky. In the few weeks leading up to the Chucky thing, they would play the Chucky laugh during promos that involved Buff Bagwell/Scott Steiner/Rick Steiner. But Buff was not the one doing the laugh. I’m talking about the laugh Buff did that would repeat along with “new World order” during the nWo theme. That one sounded so much like Chucky to me that I thought they just used the sample from when he appeared in ‘98. But then I saw a few ‘97 Nitros and kept hearing the laugh and then saw Buff doing it. I’m not sure there is a question.
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Bonk posted:Huh. I always thought the Spicolli Driver was specifically the rolling/cartwheel variation of the DVD. That was my interpretation as well
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I was thinking about it during the Iron Man Match where MJF was dying and Bryan wasn't even breathing that hard. Is there anyone in wrestling history that has better cardio than Bryan Danielson? Not thats stronger but could go in the ring at semi full tilt longer?
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LionYeti posted:I was thinking about it during the Iron Man Match where MJF was dying and Bryan wasn't even breathing that hard. Is there anyone in wrestling history that has better cardio than Bryan Danielson? Not thats stronger but could go in the ring at semi full tilt longer? Maybe Flair in his prime?
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LionYeti posted:I was thinking about it during the Iron Man Match where MJF was dying and Bryan wasn't even breathing that hard. Is there anyone in wrestling history that has better cardio than Bryan Danielson? Not thats stronger but could go in the ring at semi full tilt longer? i bet danielson and claudio could go two hours
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LionYeti posted:I was thinking about it during the Iron Man Match where MJF was dying and Bryan wasn't even breathing that hard. Is there anyone in wrestling history that has better cardio than Bryan Danielson? Not thats stronger but could go in the ring at semi full tilt longer? To be fair theres a lot of smoke and mirrors in the iron man match. Not saying Bryan isn't in excellent physical conditioning, but it's more like "A full tilt segment for three minutes, MJF does schtick for ten, another full tilt segment for three minutes, double down for a few minutes, more schtick." The art of the ironman match is to stretch a normal 20 minute match in 60 minutes. For that Bryan and MJF where absolute wizards. As for Cardio, RVD, Omega, and Pac seem to go full tilt for twenty minutes flat out and don't seem all that gassed in certain matches Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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Defenestrategy posted:To be fair theres a lot of smoke and mirrors in the iron man match. Not saying Bryan isn't in excellent physical conditioning, but it's more like "A full tilt segment for three minutes, MJF does schtick for ten, another full tilt segment for three minutes, double down for a few minutes, more schtick." The art of the ironman match is to stretch a normal 20 minute match in 60 minutes. For that Bryan and MJF where absolute wizards. RVD's ECW matches were all about a big spot and then laying down for awhile.
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LionYeti posted:I was thinking about it during the Iron Man Match where MJF was dying and Bryan wasn't even breathing that hard. Is there anyone in wrestling history that has better cardio than Bryan Danielson? Not thats stronger but could go in the ring at semi full tilt longer? I haven't watched it, but wasn't there some crazy charity event where Chris Hero just kept wrestling for like three and a half hours against a seemingly endless list of opponents?
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Hand Knit posted:A comment in the AEW thread made me curious: how many iron man matches have their been which weren't decided by one fall? Like, it's obvious why most of them find a way to make all of the time on the clock meaningful. Have any gone with "yeah this guy's just much better?" i believe when low ki won the 4 way iron man match to determine the first ROH World Champion he won by a 2 fall lead over spanky/doug williams/chris daniels
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Gavok posted:I haven't watched it, but wasn't there some crazy charity event where Chris Hero just kept wrestling for like three and a half hours against a seemingly endless list of opponents? Three hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkXdUpsYomg
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neoaxd posted:Maybe Flair in his prime? Probably Nick Bockwinkel as well.
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Dawgstar posted:Probably Nick Bockwinkel as well. Bob Backlund too
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flatluigi posted:i bet danielson and claudio could go two hours Them and PAC, yeah. PAC's cardio meter is utterly broken and he's gotten very good at pacing himself so he could do it. I feel like Sami Zayn might be able to pull it off too. And Kenny, of course.
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MassRafTer posted:RVD's ECW matches were all about a big spot and then laying down for awhile. This is what I've seen every time I've turned on WWE in the last several years.
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I just watched the Brandoncam for last night's Trios title match - the pop for the pin was massive. Like, it was "long denied babyface gets the pin over the company's top heel" massive even though House of Black is an unapologetically unironic statanic evil faction. Are they heels? They wrestle like heels, and they don't even do any antihero stuff like classic Steve Austin. They just do evil poo poo, cheat, kick in the back, and gently caress people up. Tell me about some other wrestlers or factions in the past who like HoB were "Heel" in every sense of the word, but who got those kinds of reactions. Hail satan
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CommonShore posted:I just watched the Brandoncam for last night's Trios title match - the pop for the pin was massive. Like, it was "long denied babyface gets the pin over the company's top heel" massive even though House of Black is an unapologetically unironic statanic evil faction. Are they heels? They wrestle like heels, and they don't even do any antihero stuff like classic Steve Austin. They just do evil poo poo, cheat, kick in the back, and gently caress people up. nWo Four Horsemen
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Suzuki-gun, becuase they loved and supported each other almost as much as they loved doing violence
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House of Black isn't face or heel, their alignment is "fuckin' cool". Some of the incarnations of Los Ingobernables, especially de Japon, fit the bill of being ostensibly heel but everyone loves them. Toryumon's Crazy MAX also comes to mind. They pretty much only turned face because they were out-heeled by M2K.
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When calling it in the ring, they're not actually calling every move, right? So like, if the other guy tells me to hit the ropes, do I just read his body language to know whether I'm getting powerslammed or getting a lariat etc?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:When calling it in the ring, they're not actually calling every move, right? So like, if the other guy tells me to hit the ropes, do I just read his body language to know whether I'm getting powerslammed or getting a lariat etc? They very often actually do. The mics have sometimes picked it up.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:When calling it in the ring, they're not actually calling every move, right? So like, if the other guy tells me to hit the ropes, do I just read his body language to know whether I'm getting powerslammed or getting a lariat etc? It's often either literally just said, or there's a signal. The most famous/obvious one is a clap. Say someone bounces off the rope and is going to get clotheslined, no clap=duck and clap=take the bump. There's lots of signals like that but yeah it's often literally just said out loud.
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