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tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe

bicievino posted:

Totally agree that if someone is keen on buying a vintage aesthetic steel bike, they will get much better value shopping used than new.

Yeah, I don't want steel because of some magical ride feel quality. My bikes are all aluminum right now except for the Contend AR 3, whose fork is "Advanced-Grade Composite, full-composite OverDrive steerer, disc", whatever that means. All of them ride just fine for me. I ain't no snob about ride quality.

I just dig the classic look of those skinny steel tubes.

I'm going to keep my eyes open for a used bike, probably. My only concern there is that I may run into a lot of issues when/if I try to upgrade things.

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tildes
Nov 16, 2018
This may be a dumb question: Is there a secret to not having the Black Bib suspenders just devastate your nips via chafing on long rides? Or would they ideally just not be making contact thanks to a different fit.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
All city does a number of options from fixed gear to big tire gravel. Found a cosmic stallion for my dad a few years ago which is pretty cool. There's also the zig zag which is more their "just road" bike

https://allcitycycles.com/bikes/zig_zag_105

Sphyre
Jun 14, 2001

I would love a vintage steel bike with a modern wireless groupset

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GJLHjSGdLg

:frogbon:

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


tildes posted:

This may be a dumb question: Is there a secret to not having the Black Bib suspenders just devastate your nips via chafing on long rides? Or would they ideally just not be making contact thanks to a different fit.

Put chamois butt’r on your nips

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe

tildes posted:

This may be a dumb question: Is there a secret to not having the Black Bib suspenders just devastate your nips via chafing on long rides? Or would they ideally just not be making contact thanks to a different fit.

Maybe try an undershirt? I just got some NeoPro bibs that I haven't had a chance to try yet due to the temperatures, but I'm also concerned about this.

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

-G-
Get Equipped with
Ground Game

tildes posted:

This may be a dumb question: Is there a secret to not having the Black Bib suspenders just devastate your nips via chafing on long rides? Or would they ideally just not be making contact thanks to a different fit.
A base layer might also help. A runner buddy of mine always tapes his nipples for long runs. So there's that too.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Bicycle megathread: murder your rear end but tape your nips

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

:toot: RIP ZEEZ :toot:
Ty for all the bike computer info! Sounds like I'll go for a Garmin, but wait until the refresh. I do have a Fenix, so it sounds like actual tracking will be similar, but I'd like a bigger screen to reference for bike tours and whatnot.

osker posted:

You can put your Garmin watch into Broadcast Mode and it essentially becomes a HRM that is platform agnostic. I like the edge computers and I think the Hammerhead is the only other one I would move to.

Very good to know! Didn't realize it could do that.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

tarlibone posted:

I'm going to keep my eyes open for a used bike, probably. My only concern there is that I may run into a lot of issues when/if I try to upgrade things.

If you want one that’s easy to live with & upgrade, a modern steel frame road bike aimed at audaxing / endurance riding will be less hassle than an actual vintage 80s road race bike.

I picked up a 2018 genesis equilibrium during lockdown for not much: full 105, skinny steel tubes, comfy, and despite rim brakes has clearance for 28s with mudguards - you’ll struggle with even 25s on some old bikes.

There are still traditional bike shops in the Uk specialising in this kind of bike, Spa cycles, Sabbbath, Dawes are all great brands and have an even more traditional look than my bike - no sloping top tube.

osker
Dec 18, 2002

Wedge Regret

tildes posted:

This may be a dumb question: Is there a secret to not having the Black Bib suspenders just devastate your nips via chafing on long rides? Or would they ideally just not be making contact thanks to a different fit.

I've gotten my nips shredded by the suspenders and in order of efficacy:
1. Base layer
2. Runner's nip tape (if you don't cover enough area it begins to fall off from the suspender movement)
3. Chamois cream (worked for about 2 hrs in the summer, but after that we are back to rough play)
4. Utter the safe word and tap out of the ride.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


For some reason the black bibs suspenders only mess up my left nip, and leave my right nip perfectly fine. Concerning

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

:toot: RIP ZEEZ :toot:
Left nip's gotta go. It's not aero.

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

tildes posted:

This may be a dumb question: Is there a secret to not having the Black Bib suspenders just devastate your nips via chafing on long rides? Or would they ideally just not be making contact thanks to a different fit.
  • Put some hair on yer chest!
  • Light weight base layer. Shoulder straps over the base layer.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Abandon bibs and turn to skinsuits

jetz0r
May 10, 2003

Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.



My chest hair forms a protective coat over my nips, so I've never had a problem with bib straps rubbing me raw there.

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

I waaaay underestimated how loud this would be

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Yeah I watched a LOT of Netflix with the subtitles on when I tried a stationary trainer one winter. I've also been warned they wear down tires pretty quickly.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

brand engager posted:

I waaaay underestimated how loud this would be


I can hear the sound just looking at that and fyi you're spraying little chunks of tire all over your house.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
swap that tire with a smoother one on a trainer or yea gonna destroy the tire. doesnt need to be a racing slick just needs to not be knobby like that. will also be a lot quieter

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Sphyre posted:

I would love a vintage steel bike with a modern wireless groupset

Does any 12spd wireless groupset have rim brake model?
And/or is there a hub that's QR 130 that fits a freehub body that'll run a road-sized 12spd cassette?

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

kimbo305 posted:

Does any 12spd wireless groupset have rim brake model?
And/or is there a hub that's QR 130 that fits a freehub body that'll run a road-sized 12spd cassette?

edit nevermind its only 11 speed

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Weather good today so I murdered my rear end and taint

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man
Google image search for “nipple chafing marathon”

Thank me later.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Yes sram makes the current axs stuff for rim brakes, and Shimano seems to have it for some 12s stuff too. And shimano 12 road cassettes go on an 11s hg freehub and also i'm pretty sure you can get a dt 350 etc with qr130 spacing and an xdr freehub body.

jamal fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Mar 6, 2023

Havana Affair
Apr 6, 2009

wooger posted:

If you want one that’s easy to live with & upgrade, a modern steel frame road bike aimed at audaxing / endurance riding will be less hassle than an actual vintage 80s road race bike.

I picked up a 2018 genesis equilibrium during lockdown for not much: full 105, skinny steel tubes, comfy, and despite rim brakes has clearance for 28s with mudguards - you’ll struggle with even 25s on some old bikes.

That has more importantly a carbon fork and less importantly branded tubing though? That's kinda far from a cheap steel road bike with a steel fork. Esthetically also if the point is to get skinny tubes like on a vintage bike, modern bikes have noticeably larger diameter tubes and the look just isn't the same. This is most noticeable on the fork.

Also at least here in the 80s there were these training road bikes with mudguard mounts and more clearence. Often they had cheaper tubing but not always. It's true that living with one is gonna take some extra effort with modern parts. Getting a bike from the 90s though would solve most issues except tire clearance.

I'm not saying modern bikes can't be good or anything like that but going for a retro road bike to me is a fool's errand considering the real thing is available and there's a clear difference.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

kimbo305 posted:

Does any 12spd wireless groupset have rim brake model?
And/or is there a hub that's QR 130 that fits a freehub body that'll run a road-sized 12spd cassette?


https://planetcyclery.com/sram-red-etap-axs-2x-d1-electronic-road-groupset - $1551

Ignore the images showing the HRD levers.

The Force version can be ordered from overseas for about $850. Excludes cassette, cranks and chain.

Yeep
Nov 8, 2004

foutre posted:

Ty for all the bike computer info! Sounds like I'll go for a Garmin, but wait until the refresh. I do have a Fenix, so it sounds like actual tracking will be similar, but I'd like a bigger screen to reference for bike tours and whatnot.

Very good to know! Didn't realize it could do that.

I bought an Edge 530 for the extended display mode to mirror what’s on my Fenix during the bike leg of a triathlon. I ended up missing the power graphs and climb notes too much, and the Fenix doesn’t support di2 chainring notifications at all so now I mostly record on both and discard the Edge activity.

meltie
Nov 9, 2003

Not a sodding fridge.

tildes posted:

This may be a dumb question: Is there a secret to not having the Black Bib suspenders just devastate your nips via chafing on long rides? Or would they ideally just not be making contact thanks to a different fit.

3M micropore tape from Walgreens or Amazon.

meltie fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Mar 6, 2023

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe
I slipped my cycling undershorts under some cargo shorts to get a little lunch break practice clipping in and out of my pedals. I have the tension set fairly loose since I'm learning; that was the advice I was given at the LBS.

Clipping in isn't that bad, but it is a little weird pedaling around with your feet cliplessed into the pedals for the first time. I came to a stop several times to practice clipping one foot out to stop, and clipping back in took a bit more work but, like with all things, I'll get better with more practice. I was actually feeling quite confident and ventured out around my block a few times (I work from home, hence the lunch break practice), making a few more stops, clipping back in, etc. I felt like I had it mostly figured out as I pulled up to the garage, cliped out my right foot like I'd done a dozen times on the short little ride, and then nearly fell over when my left foot mysteriously didn't come off the pedal... because it was still clipped in, and I'd never practice clipping both feet out.

Thankfully, these are SPDs and I had the tension set low, so my "Aw nuts, here we go!" panic resulted in my foot swinging over, unclipping, and catching me before I landed on my left flank with my bike between my legs.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Imo it helps to train your brain to pick one foot to remove first, I usually go with left foot.

Oh and use some thread locker (blue) on the bolts that hold the cleats to your shoes. Nothing worse than cleats coming lose mid-ride

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

You'll be sorry you made fun of me when Daddy Donald jails all my posting enemies!
Unless I am getting off the bike I see no reason to unclip both feet. But I also never had an issue unclipping and my one fall due to clipless was a brain fart on dirt at least.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe

OBAMNA PHONE posted:

Imo it helps to train your brain to pick one foot to remove first, I usually go with left foot.

Oh and use some thread locker (blue) on the bolts that hold the cleats to your shoes. Nothing worse than cleats coming lose mid-ride

Thanks for the tips. I'll get some thread locker applied right away.

When I have to stop during a ride for a traffic crossing, I have almost always used my right foot, so that's the natural move for me. Not saying the right is any better for any reason. It's just a habit at this point.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

OBAMNA PHONE posted:

Imo it helps to train your brain to pick one foot to remove first

And definitely practice unclipping the second foot without the first foot clipped in to simulate that contingency -- not having your other foot to brace the crank means you have to pick an angle that gives you predictable bracing to unclip.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Turning your bike slightly away from the unclipped foot just as your stopping also helps ensure you lean over the right way and don't fall onto your clipped in side.

And the trick with mtb cleats is to go back and snug them down after a couple rides because they dig into the sole of the shoe which has the effect of loosening the bolts. I also give the bolts a coating of grease because it's a part that tends to get wet and i's good to have some protection from corrosion.

tildes
Nov 16, 2018
Ty for the nip tips all, I’ll give tape/a base layer a try.



How much worse is a wheel on trainer vs a direct drive one? My impression is that they feel a bit worse and are louder, but I am not sure how big of a deal this is. I have a Zwift Hub just arrived, but well into its return window, and I’m finding it pretty finicky to get set up and to switch my bike back and forth. So wondering if it makes more sense to get a wheel on trainer instead.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

tildes posted:

Ty for the nip tips all, I’ll give tape/a base layer a try.



How much worse is a wheel on trainer vs a direct drive one? My impression is that they feel a bit worse and are louder, but I am not sure how big of a deal this is. I have a Zwift Hub just arrived, but well into its return window, and I’m finding it pretty finicky to get set up and to switch my bike back and forth. So wondering if it makes more sense to get a wheel on trainer instead.

It's significantly less accurate, enough so that I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a separate power meter you can use. It's also much louder, in a quite bad way. Also it dramatically wears your tire, so you'll need to swap wheels to use it.
Definitely more finicky than a wheel off.

The least-finicky solution is rollers.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Nah. Good drywall patch jobs are extremely finnicky.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?
The least-finicky and cheap solution is buying another bike to leave on your direct drive trainer permanently.

Needn’t be fancy, just get a used bike with a mind to cassette compatibility, and eventually swap on bars and saddle to exactly match your fit on your main bike.

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Heliosicle
May 16, 2013

Arigato, Racists.

wooger posted:

The least-finicky and cheap solution is buying another bike to leave on your direct drive trainer permanently.

Needn’t be fancy, just get a used bike with a mind to cassette compatibility, and eventually swap on bars and saddle to exactly match your fit on your main bike.

I wish I had enough space that this was an option, should be in the not too distant future though.

I'm happy I now have a direct drive trainer with folding legs at least, it takes me <5 mins to get everything set up or put away. Wheel on was more fiddly because I had to swap wheels and get the pressure right.

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