teen witch posted:

Depending on where you’re at, I recommend you do give chatting about it IRL a shot, but you’d know if it’s safe for you to do so. Don’t let it eat up inside of you because that poo poo can fester, and you deserve better than that.

Futanari Damacy posted:

If we're to be successful with this, one thing that has to stop is the false equivalencies. They're a huge red flag for a number of reasons.

We are to infer from this statement that because the Russian army = Wehrmacht, that Putin = Hitler, Russia = Nazi Germany, and so forth ad nauseum. The purpose of using such equivalency is to get other people frothing at the mouth, because everyone correctly agrees that Nazis = poo poo. But all it does is trivialize the horrors of the Second World War. We've heard it every time America has an enemy- Saddam is worse than Hitler, Gaddafi is worse than Hitler, Maduro (lol) is worse than Hitler, and on and on and on. To those of us whom that war actually has meaning beyond video games, they are not the meaningful comparisons that the people blithely making them think they are.

If you want to know who the Nazis are, they will gladly tell you. Heck, they have a whole pantheon of symbols that they've stolen from various non-poo poo belief systems and permanently corrupted the meaning of. For those wanting to get a better sense of how to identify a real neo-Nazi, here's a good resource to get started: https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbols/search?f%5B0%5D=topic%3A1705

Dwesa posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1632282678195105792

oh my, another DIY MT-LB with naval gun mounts

https://mobile.twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1632079968237649922

Dwesa posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1632282678195105792

HonorableTB posted:

No, the Russian state apparatus has more or less always been on the paranoid side of things (getting repeatedly invaded by external forces for several hundred years will do that), but what you're seeing there didn't really start until the post-WW2 years as the USSR recovered from the trauma of losing 25-30 million people in the war. And from there on the Russian state never really fully recovered and the paranoia has ramped up quite a lot (to the extent you see in that article) with Putin. He has been remarkably consistent about his views on Ukraine dating back to at least 2008 (the most I can find with a cursory search), he has always viewed Ukraine the way he does now. One of the main drivers for Putin's beliefs here is a man named Alexander Dugin and his philosophy, I can do an effort post about Dugin later if anyone wants

If it's helpful, keep this in your mind: modern Russian governments (1991-onward), the closer you get to Putin's current reign, "enemies out to get us" pretty much means "anyone doing anything Russia doesn't like". They define "nazis" the same way - to Putin and his kind, "nazi" is just anyone not bowing to what the Kremlin wants, and they must be denazified.

poo poo's weird

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

There’s something going on here because I see the same kind of bad faith arguments from Latin American authoritarians (they’re always trying to attack us, we’re the victims, etc etc) and their cronies on Twitter. It’s like they learn it from somewhere, or maybe all narcissists react the same way and spread it

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

There’s something going on here because I see the same kind of bad faith arguments from Latin American authoritarians (they’re always trying to attack us, we’re the victims, etc etc) and their cronies on Twitter. It’s like they learn it from somewhere, or maybe all narcissists react the same way and spread it

Umberto Eco posted:

7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the U.S., a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson’s The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.

teen witch posted:

Both the master race and the ultimate victim. Fash 101

Karate Bastard posted:

I suspect that equipment was never going to be used sensibly anyway.

Futanari Damacy posted:

If we're to be successful with this, one thing that has to stop is the false equivalencies. They're a huge red flag for a number of reasons.

We are to infer from this statement that because the Russian army = Wehrmacht, that Putin = Hitler, Russia = Nazi Germany, and so forth ad nauseum. The purpose of using such equivalency is to get other people frothing at the mouth, because everyone correctly agrees that Nazis = poo poo. But all it does is trivialize the horrors of the Second World War. We've heard it every time America has an enemy- Saddam is worse than Hitler, Gaddafi is worse than Hitler, Maduro (lol) is worse than Hitler, and on and on and on. To those of us whom that war actually has meaning beyond video games, they are not the meaningful comparisons that the people blithely making them think they are.

If you want to know who the Nazis are, they will gladly tell you. Heck, they have a whole pantheon of symbols that they've stolen from various non-poo poo belief systems and permanently corrupted the meaning of. For those wanting to get a better sense of how to identify a real neo-Nazi, here's a good resource to get started: https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbols/search?f%5B0%5D=topic%3A1705

Toxic Mental posted:

In posting about war, there are no winners. Only losers.

KirbyKhan posted:

War bad

KirbyKhan posted:

War bad

Jakabite posted:

I’d be interested to know what arguments posters on that side of things actually have for the Wehrmacht comparison not being valid? I can’t actually work out what the argument there is and all I’ve seen so far is ‘so you’re saying these are exactly the same’ which isn’t really the case.

Tafferling posted:

Actually...
war is good

FirstnameLastname posted:

The closest example would be WWII - but did the people in Dresden and Tokyo deserve to be firebombed? Did the child soldiers drafted in the defense of Berlin 'have it coming' too?

Super Foul Egg posted:

Unfortunately, by making this such a drawn-out debacle there are now more disingenuous tourism posts than genuine ones, and little motivation to tackle them when everyone knows how much time and energy those involved have for whipping up a giant melodramatic shitfit on challenge.

For what it's worth the VFW thread seems to be immune to this kind of bait, and is not currently the bête noire of tedious goblins who are only here to generate Premium Content for the boys back at Goblin HQ, so good luck... but no thank you.

quote:

China and India , Latin America and Africa , the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.

Karma Comedian posted:

You're right Russia should stop fire bombing civilians.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1632685977113116672?s=19

HonorableTB posted:

If it's helpful, keep this in your mind: modern Russian governments (1991-onward), the closer you get to Putin's current reign, "enemies out to get us" pretty much means "anyone doing anything Russia doesn't like". They define "nazis" the same way - to Putin and his kind, "nazi" is just anyone not bowing to what the Kremlin wants, and they must be denazified.

quote:

- Let me give you one example. God bless her, with Wagner PMC. Since 2014, a certain organization that calls itself "Rusich" has been fighting in the Donbass. In its purest form, fans of the Nazis, there are photographs where they zigue [sieg heil - my edit] against the background of the swastika, they have swastika tattoos. But now they are fighting on the side of Russia. Is the story about these people discrediting?

— I would recommend talking about these people with caution. To avoid conflict with yourself.

- I do not and cannot have an internal conflict when I talk about people who support fascism / Nazism. My history does not allow me any conflict.

- You can’t take it and just like that unsubstantiatedly declare that these people support the Nazis. We have no reason for this.

- How is it not? There are a lot of interviews where their founder Alexei Milchakov directly says that he is a Nazi, there are photos where they zigue, there are photos of their swastika tattoos. What more proof is needed?

- I think that they have already removed the tattoos and no longer zigue.

- That is, even here [in sympathy for Nazism] there is a right to make mistakes and perhaps correct?

- If they perform tasks as part of a grouping of Russian troops, then they have already corrected themselves.

Super Foul Egg posted:

Unfortunately, by making this such a drawn-out debacle there are now more disingenuous tourism posts than genuine ones, and little motivation to tackle them when everyone knows how much time and energy those involved have for whipping up a giant melodramatic shitfit on challenge.

For what it's worth the VFW thread seems to be immune to this kind of bait, and is not currently the bête noire of tedious goblins who are only here to generate Premium Content for the boys back at Goblin HQ, so good luck... but no thank you.

Futanari Damacy posted:

Oh no... anything but that!

quote:

“Russia is restoring its historic unity: the tragedy of 1991, that terrible catastrophe of our history, that unnatural aberration, has been overcome.”

quote:

But there will now no longer be a Ukraine which is anti-Russia.”

Haramstufe Rot posted:

quote:

The members of the Stavka considered the situation in Bakhmut in particular detail. Evaluating the progress of the defense operation, the President asked questions to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny and the commander of the Khortytsia operational-strategic group of troops Oleksandr Syrskyi regarding further actions in the Bakhmut direction. They spoke in favor of continuing the defensive operation and further strengthening our positions in Bakhmut.

Karma Comedian posted:

You're right Russia should stop fire bombing civilians.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1632685977113116672?s=19

zone posted:

Attrited to the point where you have to use ancient relics as your main battle tanks.

Strategic Tea posted:

Man warhammer 40k is so cool

zone posted:

Question, where did you get Warhammer out of this?