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teen witch posted:Depending on where you’re at, I recommend you do give chatting about it IRL a shot, but you’d know if it’s safe for you to do so. Don’t let it eat up inside of you because that poo poo can fester, and you deserve better than that. Thank you for your concern Sure, I have, but I don't find it very rewarding, as I find most people aren't actually very interested in this war and don't have very interesting opinions on it. Also this war, horrible as it is, is not a current direct threat to the health and safety of me and my family, so I need my serious-time conversations with other people to be primarily about other things, which are. Longcovid is real, and it loving sucks. Karate Bastard fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1632676611760726017 Attrited to the point where you have to use ancient relics as your main battle tanks.
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# ? Mar 6, 2023 10:54 |
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Futanari Damacy posted:If we're to be successful with this, one thing that has to stop is the false equivalencies. They're a huge red flag for a number of reasons. This post is already getting dunked on for the obvious thing but I don't want to let it get lost in the mix that the chain of quotes here was someone making an honest if clumsy post about how there should be sympathy for individual soldiers even on the Russian side while in the same post giving as an example of the same principle World War 2. de_dust's point that Futanari Damacy quoted wasn't simply "Russia = Wehrmacht", it was a very specific callback to the myth of the clean Wehrmacht and how the post that started this unintentionally mirrored it when it removed the clear moral dimension from World War 2. KazigluBey fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1632282678195105792 oh my, another DIY MT-LB with naval gun mounts https://mobile.twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1632079968237649922
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# ? Mar 6, 2023 11:00 |
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I think the Wehrmacht discussion has run it's course Feel-good content: https://twitter.com/intermarium24/status/1632514412933263370?s=20 Another city that looks just completely obliterated https://twitter.com/Igor_from_Kyiv_/status/1632660835301568513?s=20
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Dwesa posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1632282678195105792 So they've already begun capturing some of these DIY technicals? That didn't take very long. The equipment situation for Russia must be more desperate than one would think.
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Kadyrov is sick, alright. Sick in the head
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HonorableTB posted:No, the Russian state apparatus has more or less always been on the paranoid side of things (getting repeatedly invaded by external forces for several hundred years will do that), but what you're seeing there didn't really start until the post-WW2 years as the USSR recovered from the trauma of losing 25-30 million people in the war. And from there on the Russian state never really fully recovered and the paranoia has ramped up quite a lot (to the extent you see in that article) with Putin. He has been remarkably consistent about his views on Ukraine dating back to at least 2008 (the most I can find with a cursory search), he has always viewed Ukraine the way he does now. One of the main drivers for Putin's beliefs here is a man named Alexander Dugin and his philosophy, I can do an effort post about Dugin later if anyone wants There’s something going on here because I see the same kind of bad faith arguments from Latin American authoritarians (they’re always trying to attack us, we’re the victims, etc etc) and their cronies on Twitter. It’s like they learn it from somewhere, or maybe all narcissists react the same way and spread it
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:There’s something going on here because I see the same kind of bad faith arguments from Latin American authoritarians (they’re always trying to attack us, we’re the victims, etc etc) and their cronies on Twitter. It’s like they learn it from somewhere, or maybe all narcissists react the same way and spread it Every dictatorship makes it about existential threats, imo, so it's less about picking stuff up from somewhere than it is the fact that it's just a convenient excuse in such cases.
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Both the master race and the ultimate victim. Fash 101
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:There’s something going on here because I see the same kind of bad faith arguments from Latin American authoritarians (they’re always trying to attack us, we’re the victims, etc etc) and their cronies on Twitter. It’s like they learn it from somewhere, or maybe all narcissists react the same way and spread it Umberto Eco posted:7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the U.S., a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson’s The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.
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teen witch posted:Both the master race and the ultimate victim. Fash 101
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Estimated loss assessments for 6/3/2023. What a senseless waste of life and equipment.
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I suspect that equipment was never going to be used sensibly anyway.
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Karate Bastard posted:I suspect that equipment was never going to be used sensibly anyway. There is no sensible way to use 3,423 tanks so I think you're right
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Futanari Damacy posted:If we're to be successful with this, one thing that has to stop is the false equivalencies. They're a huge red flag for a number of reasons. Cool, thanks? Did I call the conscripts Nazis? His interesting way of differing responsibility off of the Russian conscripts is the EXACT same sort of excuses made for those “poor” unfortunate Wehrmacht soldiers that found themselves dying for an aggressive and murderous regime. Not all Wehrmacht soldiers were Nazis. But they were all complicit in the crimes of the regime. Ditto for those dumb vatniks today.
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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1632681935775453184
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Toxic Mental posted:In posting about war, there are no winners. Only losers. I was a loser long before this war.
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War bad
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KirbyKhan posted:War bad Yes, invading your neighbor and outlining a plan to genocide them and destroy their cultural identity is bad. I'm glad we both agree.
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KirbyKhan posted:War bad Actually... war is good
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I’d be interested to know what arguments posters on that side of things actually have for the Wehrmacht comparison not being valid? I can’t actually work out what the argument there is and all I’ve seen so far is ‘so you’re saying these are exactly the same’ which isn’t really the case.
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Jakabite posted:I’d be interested to know what arguments posters on that side of things actually have for the Wehrmacht comparison not being valid? I can’t actually work out what the argument there is and all I’ve seen so far is ‘so you’re saying these are exactly the same’ which isn’t really the case. I think it's just talking about nazis all the time is lame. Not as lame as using it as an excuse for your genocidal war though lol
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Tafferling posted:Actually... The thing that annoys me is that this war is good, for some decision makers in the Kremlin. If it weren't somehow good for some decision makers in the Kremlin, then this war would very likely be over, very quickly, and some time time ago. I have no good idea for how to make this war less good for decision makers in the Kremlin, other than what is being employed already, and while it may be working, it sure isn't quick. It also needs to be made patently obvious to decision makers in the Kremlin that initiating wars like this will not be good for decision makers in the Kremlin, neither right now, nor at any point in the future either, and how do you do that? Until this is done, there must be an arms race and a readiness for new idiotic opportunistic land grabs. I thought we were done with this poo poo.
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FirstnameLastname posted:The closest example would be WWII - but did the people in Dresden and Tokyo deserve to be firebombed? Did the child soldiers drafted in the defense of Berlin 'have it coming' too? You're right Russia should stop fire bombing civilians. https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1632685977113116672?s=19
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Super Foul Egg posted:Unfortunately, by making this such a drawn-out debacle there are now more disingenuous tourism posts than genuine ones, and little motivation to tackle them when everyone knows how much time and energy those involved have for whipping up a giant melodramatic shitfit on challenge. I pictured the chicken lawyer from Futurama saying this. quote:China and India , Latin America and Africa , the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules. Oh no... anything but that!
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Karma Comedian posted:You're right Russia should stop fire bombing civilians. "ackchyually ukraine used those schools to hide several battalions of western trained troops, check out Incel Slava Z for more information that the west is trying to bury" zone fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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HonorableTB posted:If it's helpful, keep this in your mind: modern Russian governments (1991-onward), the closer you get to Putin's current reign, "enemies out to get us" pretty much means "anyone doing anything Russia doesn't like". They define "nazis" the same way - to Putin and his kind, "nazi" is just anyone not bowing to what the Kremlin wants, and they must be denazified. I posted this in the VFW thread earlier, but it's pertinent here, so: https://www.fontanka.ru/2023/03/02/72101819/ Last year, a bill was signed into law in Russia which makes it illegal to "discredit" members of volunteer units fighting for Russia. One of the bill's co-authors, Andrey Kartapolov (State Duma deputy chairman, chairman of the defense committee), was interviewed and asked about the prominent neo-nazis fighting for Russia. Here's a pertinent bit courtesy of Google Translate. quote:- Let me give you one example. God bless her, with Wagner PMC. Since 2014, a certain organization that calls itself "Rusich" has been fighting in the Donbass. In its purest form, fans of the Nazis, there are photographs where they zigue [sieg heil - my edit] against the background of the swastika, they have swastika tattoos. But now they are fighting on the side of Russia. Is the story about these people discrediting?
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Super Foul Egg posted:Unfortunately, by making this such a drawn-out debacle there are now more disingenuous tourism posts than genuine ones, and little motivation to tackle them when everyone knows how much time and energy those involved have for whipping up a giant melodramatic shitfit on challenge. Thank you all for service. Here is block of fish.
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https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1632635703673647104 It appears Shoigu was spotted making a visit to occupied Mariupol. I wonder why?
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Futanari Damacy posted:Oh no... anything but that! Good job quoting the one bit that sounds vaguely OK out of context from the article that tries to Blood & Soil Ukraine but did so in such a triumphant tone two days into the war just as the poo poo hit the fan wrt how hard fought it would be that they pulled it. “The resolution of the Ukraine question.” is the name of the article. lol quote:“Russia is restoring its historic unity: the tragedy of 1991, that terrible catastrophe of our history, that unnatural aberration, has been overcome.” This is from the same article, the assumption being that the article would be published once the strikes against Kiev decapitated the government and the whole country collapsed. lol, yeah, great article. quote:But there will now no longer be a Ukraine which is anti-Russia.” Hmm not too sure about this one, tovarich. KazigluBey fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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fine
Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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This is literally posting about posting. Don't do this here please.
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I just hope both sides have fun edit: on topic - Russia should go home so everyone can stop dying over there. Deus Ex Macklemore fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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The leash on this thread has to be pretty short for obvious reasons. I don't think there's anyone itt openly lusting for the unequivocal death of all Russians. If you think there is, please first report the post, or message an IK, or send me an email ( KarmaComedianSA@gmail.com ) if you don't have platinum and don't want to give this website any more money instead of posting about it in the thread proper. Content! https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1632722039684431872?t=ycbYkw6fkriOvaxOY8-KfQ&s=19 Machine translation works pretty well. Here's the gist: quote:The members of the Stavka considered the situation in Bakhmut in particular detail. Evaluating the progress of the defense operation, the President asked questions to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny and the commander of the Khortytsia operational-strategic group of troops Oleksandr Syrskyi regarding further actions in the Bakhmut direction. They spoke in favor of continuing the defensive operation and further strengthening our positions in Bakhmut.
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Karma Comedian posted:You're right Russia should stop fire bombing civilians. Speaking of which, it's been almost a year since russia shot cluster munitions at refugees at the Kramatorsk train station. Killing 58 of them, mostly women and children. https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1632399447228309504 You might not have forgotten the bloodsoaked stroller.
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# ? Mar 6, 2023 14:01 |
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Zeleensky and high ranking officers had an Entmoot
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zone posted:Attrited to the point where you have to use ancient relics as your main battle tanks. Man warhammer 40k is so cool
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Strategic Tea posted:Man warhammer 40k is so cool
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zone posted:Question, where did you get Warhammer out of this? Russia is having to negotiate with the Machine Spirits to bring back vintage tanks due to wiping out the stock of their new ones. Also they had to put Putin on the Golden Chair to keep the mobnik warp open.
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