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Rassum frassum outlaw mud show blargle argle. Edit: Amazing page snipe.
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rotinaj posted:Isnt cornette famously one of those dingleberries who purposely did not get trained so he wouldnt be asked to take bumps No, he took bumps. Normal ones at least. Remember when he wrestled the ninja turtle?
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Jan 30, 2023 22:46
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Mulaney Power Move posted:No, he took bumps. Normal ones at least. Remember when he wrestled the ninja turtle? He may have known how to bump by then, but I think the dude never got actually trained to fully fledged wrestle, just picked up poo poo on the job Again, half remembered bullshit from when i was a shoot viewer, back in college. So could certainly be wrong!
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Dawgstar posted:Rassum frassum outlaw mud show blargle argle. New thread name please.
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Duke Pukem posted:Its worth posting again, funny as hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sd3ZcSto2k
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Feb 8, 2023 22:57
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You gotta hand it to Cornette, he did a real good job putting over that Wick's pizza
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Feb 12, 2023 17:37
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Cornette definitely put over the scaffold, that’s for sure
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EDIT: Nah deleting this, there's transphobia in it, gently caress Cornette.
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Mar 7, 2023 03:49
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But there were no - well it's not like that would stop him, really.
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Mar 7, 2023 04:42
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Jim Cornette's opinions are best shouted from an abandoned well
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Mar 7, 2023 05:09
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For the past year or so I keep seeing people say the phrase "Wrestling used to be a simulated fight." Is this a Cornette line? It seems like a Cornette line.
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Mar 7, 2023 14:12
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Takuan posted:For the past year or so I keep seeing people say the phrase "Wrestling used to be a simulated fight." I don't recall it in the lexicon but I do recall something along the lines of "wrestling used to look like a REAL fight" he's said before because when I look at a viral TikTok of two drunk dudes going at it in Tiger Stadium they're busting out DDTs and Argentine backbreakers.
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Mar 7, 2023 14:25
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Dawgstar posted:I don't recall it in the lexicon but I do recall something along the lines of "wrestling used to look like a REAL fight" he's said before because when I look at a viral TikTok of two drunk dudes going at it in Tiger Stadium they're busting out DDTs and Argentine backbreakers. I'm not sure wrestling ever looked like two drunken idiots wildly flailing while the victor is the person whose pants hasn't fallen down around their ankles. Now I'm sure it's tempting to make a WWE joke here
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Mar 7, 2023 14:57
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Wrestling isn't MEANT to look like a real fight. Real fights are ugly and look like poo poo. Wrestling is meant to look like the story of a fight, with better pacing, flashier things happening, and emotional heft. If your wrestling match looks like what a fight actually looks like, you've failed.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:20
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Lamuella posted:Wrestling isn't MEANT to look like a real fight. Real fights are ugly and look like poo poo. Pretend i posted the video of some drunken brawl where a guy gets shoot piledrivered and totally no sells it. The people who want this almost never watch actual shootstyle Pro wrestling
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Mar 7, 2023 15:26
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Wrestling is still a simulation of a fight. That hasn't changed. I think those people don't really know what they mean. And sure, pro wrestling did used to look like an actual wrestling match, but that was well and truly gone by the time Jim Cornette was born. Even in the 30s, when the in-ring action looked plausible, you still had masked man gimmicks and outrageous screwjobs that were hard to believe. Ricky Morton didn't wrestle Dick Shikat. I think the idea that 70s fans were marks is something that Cornette started exaggerating in his first shoot interviews. Then he doubled down on it, along with every other aspect of the character he plays in "shoot" interviews, until he became this parody of himself who can't go a minute without saying something offensive and expects you to believe that the Midnight Express were chased by mobs with pitchforks and torches. In another thread I brought up some old Disco Inferno essays that I can't find now. In one of them, he pointed out that some boxer had recently lost a championship title because they found out that he cheated by putting plaster in his gloves. That puts to bed the idea that a legitimate sporting match could be won by cheating when there's video footage of him whacking his opponent with a loving chair.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:40
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forkboy84 posted:Pretend i posted the video of some drunken brawl where a guy gets shoot piledrivered and totally no sells it. I was thinking of that fight that went viral at the Taco Bell in the UK where the customer who throws this wild overhand and the Taco Bell employee does a frankly picture perfect duck under, picks the guy up and bodyslams him face first onto the linoleum. That's an actual fight.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:48
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If someone in a wrestling ring did the waffle house chair catch I would pop like a motherfucker. https://twitter.com/WeekendTwitr/status/1607919795726438401?t=LNUfe-3Tf5kumjSrvWV6Ig&s=19
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Mar 7, 2023 15:51
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I'm not quite sure what a "mark" is, or more, to put it in a post-modern context what a "mark" is supposed to indicate. You get people in threads saying stuff like, "OMG I bit!!!" And, yes? You're supposed to. It's entertainment. Saying the entertainment entertained is somehow the sign of a mark? Like wrestling is actually something you try to figure out where you see all the levers being pulled and enter The Matrix like Neo. I'd like to think it goes back to "carny" days saying, "I can't believe we got these schmucks to pay for this!"  But they did pay for it, and they were entertained, and it made their life better. Now they're going home tired but still full of adrenalin and talking about the big fight. How bad?
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Mar 7, 2023 15:52
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In the context Cornette's talking about, someone who believes wrestling is real, or at least real enough that they want to maim someone in the parking lot for pretending to win a pretend match by pretending to cheat. Anyway, this one's my favourite.
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Mar 7, 2023 16:00
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Man, d'von can still move
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Mar 7, 2023 16:01
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Imo, the last time wrestling could be truly considered “looking like two dudes actually fighting” was back when harley race and jerry blackwell were still wrestling Sorry Jim, them days have long since past
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Mar 7, 2023 16:03
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I mean, not really. Can you think of a real fight where someone was beat up so bad they couldn't move, while the other guy decided to climb up the wall and then jump on him headfirst, instead of just stomping on him or something?
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Mar 7, 2023 16:04
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Halloween Jack posted:In the context Cornette's talking about, someone who believes wrestling is real, or at least real enough that they want to maim someone in the parking lot for pretending to win a pretend match by pretending to cheat. BAAAAAAAAACKDROPPU DURIVAH drat, I miss Morishima Edit: you obviously haven’t gotten in many fights behind the theatre building, Jack I mostly mean that the look of dudes back then were often more “average joes spoiling for a fight”, like the long running joke that arn anderson is actually your stepdad who works nights and if he got woken up during the day, it was your rear end Nowadays folks look like athletes there for a competition, not just for a fight. I prefer it this way. rotinaj fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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Mar 7, 2023 16:05
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rotinaj posted:Imo, the last time wrestling could be truly considered “looking like two dudes actually fighting” was back when harley race and jerry blackwell were still wrestling Harley Race was a spot monkey who would do multiple diving headbutts in a long match
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Mar 7, 2023 16:12
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Lamuella posted:If someone in a wrestling ring did the waffle house chair catch I would pop like a motherfucker. This is Ricky Starks blocking the Judas Effect.
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Mar 7, 2023 16:16
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Wrestling never resembled a real fight. 100 years ago it resembled a grappling match, but never a fight. Shortly thereafter you saw the introduction of football players doing tackles and such and it stopped looking real, and by the time they added more fighting elements it definitely didn't look real.
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Mar 7, 2023 16:22
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I would say that it's completely legit to want a style of wrestling that resembles a combat sport. UWF-E style matches are cool as poo poo. But they're a flavour rather than the flavour. (and combat sports don't look like fights either)
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Mar 7, 2023 16:25
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Halloween Jack posted:In the context Cornette's talking about, someone who believes wrestling is real, or at least real enough that they want to maim someone in the parking lot for pretending to win a pretend match by pretending to cheat. So Corny wants it back to when he thinks people were more gullible? Even if like 90 percent or more people still knew it was all pre-determined, even the backwoods sons of the soil in Bucksnort, Tennessee?
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Dawgstar posted:So Corny wants it back to when he thinks people were more gullible? Even if like 90 percent or more people still knew it was all pre-determined, even the backwoods sons of the soil in Bucksnort, Tennessee? Yeah because his entire gimmick is that one “lol I was just pretending” meme writ large. At some point along the way he’s switched from remembering that he might ever have enjoyed wrestling for what it is to mostly just enjoying the feeling that he was some kind of awesome puppet master tricking people and making them believe in the illusions.
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Dawgstar posted:So Corny wants it back to when he thinks people were more gullible? Even if like 90 percent or more people still knew it was all pre-determined, even the backwoods sons of the soil in Bucksnort, Tennessee?
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Halloween Jack posted:I mean, not really. Can you think of a real fight where someone was beat up so bad they couldn't move, while the other guy decided to climb up the wall and then jump on him headfirst, instead of just stomping on him or something? It happens. I remember in my early twenties there was a fight out the front of a bar I used to go to regularly where a guy got laid out in a fight and the guy who hit him happened to have his car parked just in front of where he knocked him down, so he got into it and backed it over the guy. Anyway, that didn't really end too well for either of them. 
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Sure, people do stuff like that. I'm just saying that by the 70s, obviously worked stuff was happening every 5 seconds in a wrestling match. The last time a reasonable person could believe a wrestling match was actually competitive was probably in the early 50s.
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You could say that wrestling these days is more "real" than when (and I'm pulling this wholesale from my arse) a promoter had their favourite and made sure they won. Nowadays you have an always connected, somewhat informed group of viewers influencing a promoter's decision. If a "wrestler" is "to win" they have to be able to bring something to the party. To be the best they have to offer the most, if only for a little while. It is a true meritoracy. A democratic low brow people's choice where viewers and money in the bank decide what's most important. Unlike, however, high brow interests such as politics, economics and the morals of raw human rights this is all about who got their titty slapped more.
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Wrestling was never ever intended to look like a "real fight". Back in the olden days it was intended to look like a "real athletic contest". With rules, and skills, and a victor that earned their victory by using their skills in accordance with said rules. Then to spice it up they added your "fake" beefs and storylines. Along the lines of "I don't like you, so instead of competing against you in this contest according to the rules, I will fight you and try and hurt you." But even then it was still framed as the two combatants were doing so withing the confines of an athletic contest. Not a fight.
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most wrestling moves come from old times when people would fight that way. there are people still in prison serving out life sentences from piledrivers. it was the 1960s back then
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in 1998 Ken shamrock became the world's dangerest fighter by winning the King of the Ring tournament, and by then most fighting in the streets had become more like what he does.
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Lamuella posted:I would say that it's completely legit to want a style of wrestling that resembles a combat sport. UWF-E style matches are cool as poo poo. But they're a flavour rather than the flavour. (and combat sports don't look like fights either) It's a flavour for a reason, pure sports style pro-wrestling just doesn't have the staying power that more character/entertainment focused pro-wrestling has. For me the perfect presentation of wrestling is essentially mid 10s NJPW and TJPW where there's strong roots and emphasis in presenting an athletic competition but it's jam packed with strong characters, character moments, and storylines. Also if you look at old wrestling matches they're very very heavy on over the top mime. (Which is great because comedy is an essential partner to wrestling) fez_machine fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Mar 8, 2023 |
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Halloween Jack posted:
Something I think a lot of wrestling fans don't understand is when you're listening to a shoot interview of an old guy talking about all the 'riots' they caused what you're listening to is a professional con artist bragging about how good he was at his job. fez_machine posted:
What's fun is if you pointed this out to a self-professed old-school wrestling purist they'd probably get all mad about it.
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Takuan posted:Something I think a lot of wrestling fans don't understand is when you're listening to a shoot interview of an old guy talking about all the 'riots' they caused what you're listening to is a professional con artist bragging about how good he was at his job. From what I've read about that era, I honestly think it's closer to listening to a professional clown bragging about how many times a crowd got too drunk and decided it would be funny to beat them up.
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