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Achmed Jones posted:as far as stories and resumes go: holy poo poo my old promo packet was awesome for fixing up my resume. had the quantified impact and everything. idk how structured other companies' primo processes are, but if they're like google they make it real easy to keep your resume current Oh yeah if any of my team wants to jump ship, all they need to do is dump a column from a spreadsheet and anonymize it. Sadly there's no process whatsoever for the management ladder. Engineering doesn't even have a director even though product and data do. On the plus side, the CTO said that he wanted to hire a director but won't since I do all the stuff he wanted a director to so, so I'm either a sucker or on a fast track to the big bucks.
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Just went through the promo packet process and after a lovely few weeks, looking at jumping ship - I'm definitely in a much better place to touch up my resume. It's funny how one day can be so lovely you do a complete 180 on your satisfaction and plans for the next 1-2 years.
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luchadornado posted:Just went through the promo packet process and after a lovely few weeks, looking at jumping ship - I'm definitely in a much better place to touch up my resume. One day the cup just overflows.
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Achmed Jones posted:re: stories, yeah, im not worried about things once i make it to an interview. it's the weed out step with HR and recruiters i need to get through - i've never interviewed for leadership type rolls before The job of an L3-L5 equivalent is pretty much the same everywhere, but once you start looking outside that range the specific roles start to depend a lot more on the organization you're looking at. I don't think you need to necessarily need to have multiple versions of your resume out there but minor adjustments are probably a good idea.
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After grousing about my pay the other day I went off so see what openings I might be able to fit at Google and there was an L3 job I was immensely overqualified for but with a median base pay that was higher than any job I’ve ever had. Does Google “rank up” job titles if they get an overqualified candidate or do I just need to keep an eye out for L5 jobs? I know I’ve got a lot of interview prep & resume adjusting to do (and talking it over with my wife because it would take us back to the US) so I’m not jumping on anything yet; more just a general question.
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Mar 7, 2023 11:34
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What's a good resource for practicing code interview test? Been a while and I doubt interviewers are just throwing fizzbuzz around these days.
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Artemis J Brassnuts posted:After grousing about my pay the other day I went off so see what openings I might be able to fit at Google and there was an L3 job I was immensely overqualified for but with a median base pay that was higher than any job I’ve ever had. Does Google “rank up” job titles if they get an overqualified candidate or do I just need to keep an eye out for L5 jobs? I've seen people both over and under levelled. You basically come in where you are hired (usually down a level from a non FAANG position) and it should correct slowly over time. I dropped a level when I came in but eventually made it back to senior a few years later - in the mean time making way more than I had previously.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:54
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McCracAttack posted:What's a good resource for practicing code interview test? Been a while and I doubt interviewers are just throwing fizzbuzz around these days. leetcode
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Paolomania posted:I've seen people both over and under levelled. You basically come in where you are hired (usually down a level from a non FAANG position) and it should correct slowly over time. I dropped a level when I came in but eventually made it back to senior a few years later - in the mean time making way more than I had previously. 
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Jose Valasquez posted:leetcode Thanks!
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McCracAttack posted:What's a good resource for practicing code interview test? Been a while and I doubt interviewers are just throwing fizzbuzz around these days. I found cracking the coding interview helpful. Hackerrank has lots of interview like coding problems to practice with, about the same as leer code last time I checked, a few years back.
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Paolomania posted:I've seen people both over and under levelled. You basically come in where you are hired (usually down a level from a non FAANG position) and it should correct slowly over time. I dropped a level when I came in but eventually made it back to senior a few years later - in the mean time making way more than I had previously. Good to know, thanks!
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McCracAttack posted:What's a good resource for practicing code interview test? Been a while and I doubt interviewers are just throwing fizzbuzz around these days.
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Letetcode is pretty decent. Cramming it is basically how I broke into FAANG, or whatever it is now. Depending less on my compensation and more on prospects outside of my current team, I might jump ship as well. The org I initially joined is unhealthy, my team is unproductive and something of a pariah, and I’m stagnating as an engineer. If internal transfers are still frozen (and as far as I can tell they are), my current team isn’t attractive enough to stick around for.
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Got my comp letter. It's not as bad as I was kind of expecting, but still pretty disappointing. Notable highlights: * I make less as an L5 than as an L4. This is the case looking at my as-granted numbers; if I look at as-vested it's much worse. * When I put in for full-time remote, Google said that only my salary - not equity - would be affected. This was a lie. Welp.
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Google dings your salary if you work remote?Artemis J Brassnuts posted:After grousing about my pay the other day I went off so see what openings I might be able to fit at Google and there was an L3 job I was immensely overqualified for but with a median base pay that was higher than any job I’ve ever had. Does Google “rank up” job titles if they get an overqualified candidate or do I just need to keep an eye out for L5 jobs?
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StumblyWumbly posted:Google dings your salary if you work remote? Yep. Amazon too. I took a 10% pay cut moving from CA to WA even though I was fully remote in both places. Pretty lame.
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Achmed Jones posted:* I make less as an L5 than as an L4. This is the case looking at my as-granted numbers; if I look at as-vested it's much worse.  quote:* When I put in for full-time remote, Google said that only my salary - not equity - would be affected. This was a lie.  —- I mean, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised about that last one. There’s no way a corpo wouldn’t try to claw back WFH/remote as much as possible. But wow that first one is egregious. I’m worried that there’s gonna be a massive brain drain soon. I can’t wait for mine. StumblyWumbly posted:Google dings your salary if you work remote? 5-10% pay cut.
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StumblyWumbly posted:I don't know Google specifically, but the general rule for large (over 50 people) companies is all positions need to be advertised before they can be filled.
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StumblyWumbly posted:Google dings your salary if you work remote? while your sentiment is fine, your threshold for a "large" org is missing some zeros
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The Fool posted:while your sentiment is fine, your threshold for a "large" org is missing some zeros no, they're correct. "large business" is a legal term and it is defined as 50 employees.
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do you have a source, because initial search results show multiple answers between 500 and 1500
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Kinda of unrelated but I’m getting pretty sick of the most senior engineer on this team being super picky about the PRs I put up. Single line comments like “no make it one function”, I do so and then he’s like “no put this field on this struct and do these specific things that I did not explain at all in the original bug”. Like just do the ticket yourself then. Or take some communication/socializing classes. Am I just being lovely? I feel like almost everything I do on this team is just implement something exactly how some other dev orders it. I haven’t grown as an engineer at all. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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What happens if you push back? Do you ever push back? Do you agree or disagree with the review comments, or are they just nitpicks? Does the senior dev actually make them blocking comments?
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I’ve pushed back before and he complained the entire time and I’m sick of that so at this point I just do whatever he asks. Not a good sign.
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The Fool posted:do you have a source, because initial search results show multiple answers between 500 and 1500 berkeley says 50, san francisco says 100, the sba says "more than 1500 or 41.5mil revenue"
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Pollyanna posted:Kinda of unrelated but I’m getting pretty sick of the most senior engineer on this team being super picky about the PRs I put up. Single line comments like “no make it one function”, I do so and then he’s like “no put this field on this struct and do these specific things that I did not explain at all in the original bug”. it took me a while to get over the habit of reviewing a pr as if it was my own code these days as long as it works, follows convention, and doesn't introduce new problems, I'll mash that approve button with minimal comments
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Pollyanna posted:I’ve pushed back before and he complained the entire time and I’m sick of that so at this point I just do whatever he asks. Do you feel comfortable posting a verbatim example? It’s hard to analyze what’s exactly is happening.
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LLSix posted:I found cracking the coding interview helpful. Vulture Culture posted:HackerRank and Leetcode are the platforms I've been seeing most of. Pollyanna posted:Letetcode is pretty decent. Cramming it is basically how I broke into FAANG, or whatever it is now. I appreciate all the replies. Plenty to chew on here.
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Pollyanna posted:Kinda of unrelated but I’m getting pretty sick of the most senior engineer on this team being super picky about the PRs I put up. Single line comments like “no make it one function”, I do so and then he’s like “no put this field on this struct and do these specific things that I did not explain at all in the original bug”. Maybe you are, maybe you're not. You shouldn't take PRs personally, but people also shouldn't nitpick on things that don't have any substantial value. There's a balance and its tough to say where that lies without knowing the team, the work, and some specific examples. I can say from the other side of the table, some people might call my PR reviews being picky when I'm trying to teach things that I consider important. Try to understand what they're trying to teach you. There's a chance they're just a lovely senior, but it's also hard being in those shoes.
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Harriet Carker posted:Do you feel comfortable posting a verbatim example? It’s hard to analyze what’s exactly is happening. I’ll do you one better - I decided to push back on this one. I’ll let you know how it goes.
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luchadornado posted:Maybe you are, maybe you're not. You shouldn't take PRs personally, but people also shouldn't nitpick on things that don't have any substantial value. There's a balance and its tough to say where that lies without knowing the team, the work, and some specific examples. You’re not wrong, I can’t take these things too personally. I might be building it up in my head. That said, I don’t have a lot of confidence in this particular person in terms of  engineering excellence , so it’s a little hard to believe in the optimistic case.Might be a result of all the fallout from organizational BS that’s burned out a couple engineers on my team and possibly myself as well.
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The biggest pet-peeve I have about code reviews is when I see: "yes, that's fine, but can you go and refactor <completely-unrelated-code> to achieve some nicer-looking code here?" Hmm ... no, I can't, it's completely unrelated to this issue that I'm solving. It's an important issue, it's definitely bigger than a 1 line change, it deserves its own ticket, planning, time and sprint. This patch fixes issue X, not Y, Z and T.
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I only offer that as an idea because it's kind of what I'm going through right now - I've been busting my rear end off trying to place the team's needs above my own, I slip up and make one minor mistake, and got jumped on. They felt like I was slamming down the iron fist when I was just trying to help. And now I understand how my managers have felt all these years  Learning how to work with people is the best skill to gain IMO. It's hard as poo poo.
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As above, so below. Bullshit elsewhere bleeds into the rest of life. If there’s org challenges, layoffs, burnout, etc., it can manifest as a poor rapport between reviewer and reviewee for reason that have nothing to do with the more senior, mentor engineer. It likely isn’t personal in your case either, and hey, leading a horse to water and all that.
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The Fool posted:berkeley says 50, san francisco says 100, the sba says "more than 1500 or 41.5mil revenue" Pollyanna posted:You’re not wrong, I can’t take these things too personally. I might be building it up in my head. That said, I don’t have a lot of confidence in this particular person in terms of Senior engineers should already know this, because part of being senior is helping other folks.
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Part of being senior is also understanding the difference between actual issues and things you don't like. I'd definitely be having A Talk with any lead in my org who was trying to micromanage devs.
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