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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
Yeah they are going hard the drones are in play now

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1633651742578561026

and more rounds

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1633651750971363329

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1633650836558475264

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

happy women's day
https://twitter.com/kiraincongress/status/1633392352441036801

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007


A weapon to surpass Metal Gear

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

lmao

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Nix Panicus posted:

Synghman Rhee murdered *at least* 100,000 suspected communist sympathizers, likely 200,000, and blamed it on the DPRK at the outset of the Korean War. The DPRK had a moral obligation to invade the RoK and destroy Rhee's government if for no other reason than to stop the killings. Alas the great satan of the earth, America, intervened.

Look he had to ensure the US/UN election to bring democracy to all of Korea had the right result. Couldn't risk people voting for socialism, it would make America's colonial administration harder to justify.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

mlmp08 posted:

Hell, it was literally this morning that in house testimony, one of the combatant commanders addressed explicitly that Russia still has very capable cruise missiles and the means to launch them from air, land, and subsurface.

Russia is out of missiles, artillery shells, and now even ammunition because they are incapable of complex weapons manufacture. All they have left are convicts with shovels and the contents of Putin's dirty diaper, because he poops in them and that is very funny to me.

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

wonder whats up with the huge missile strike. maybe nervous about this counter attack?

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
arnt those iranian drones basically commercial everything? Im sure russia is certainly unable to make scooter motors

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
I am honestly surprised Ukraine still has international women’s day tbh.

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014


lolling grimly

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

The Pentagon is blocking the Biden administration

:thunk:

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

CODChimera posted:

wonder whats up with the huge missile strike. maybe nervous about this counter attack?

Where has the rest of the Russian army been while the PMCs have been busy bonking Bakhmut with their shovels? Maybe now that Zelenskyy made them commit all their crap to defending it, the Russians are going to hit somewhere else with their main force.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

euphronius posted:

The Pentagon is blocking the Biden administration

:thunk:

oh im sorry did you think you lived in a democracy with civilian control of the military lol

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

CODChimera posted:

wonder whats up with the huge missile strike. maybe nervous about this counter attack?

You need to give Ukraine enough time to repair & rebuild the critical infrastructure before the next wave. That way you can run them out of spare parts entirely.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

euphronius posted:

The Pentagon is blocking the Biden administration

:thunk:

THE DEEP STATE IS AT WORK HERE

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Chillgamesh posted:

Where has the rest of the Russian army been while the PMCs have been busy bonking Bakhmut with their shovels? Maybe now that Zelenskyy made them commit all their crap to defending it, the Russians are going to hit somewhere else with their main force.

Rocky training montages to eye of the tiger.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Raskolnikov38 posted:

oh im sorry did you think you lived in a democracy with civilian control of the military lol

I was hoping for an authoritarian democracy but this is just crap

The Unnamed One
Jan 13, 2012

"BOOM!"

Finally

A weapon to surpass Metal Gear...

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
The Russians are integrating human wave tactics into their missiles strikes

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Neurolimal posted:

Look, it's completely believable that a ukrainian billionaire managed to source a boat, scuba equipment, enough underwater explosives to destroy the pipe, a crew willing to attack German supplies, bypass the black sea blockade, blow up Nordstream, and then escape to ??? undetected, despite all the boats being tagged. Entirely reasonable.

This is the plot from Netflix movie 6 Underground

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Ardennes posted:

I am honestly surprised Ukraine still has international women’s day tbh.

if the liberal west has it, so must they. They will add some 9/10 women sieg heilling to it.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013


snake, your objective is to sabotage the intercontinental shovel launcher before the big boss of wagner launches them at kyiv

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
A weapon to surpass Entrenchment Gear?

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

Chillgamesh posted:

Where has the rest of the Russian army been while the PMCs have been busy bonking Bakhmut with their shovels? Maybe now that Zelenskyy made them commit all their crap to defending it, the Russians are going to hit somewhere else with their main force.

i think the main force all ran into landmines or something?

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
seymour hersh uses anonymous sources like this, but the new york times uses anonymous sources like this

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Delta-Wye posted:

seymour hersh uses anonymous sources like this, but the new york times uses anonymous sources like this

What we consider before using anonymous sources. Do the sources know the information? What’s their motivation for telling us? Have they proved reliable in the past? Can we corroborate the information? Even with these questions satisfied, The Times uses anonymous sources as a last resort. The reporter and at least one editor know the identity of the source.
Learn more about our process.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Nix Panicus posted:

Russia is out of missiles, artillery shells, and now even ammunition because they are incapable of complex weapons manufacture. All they have left are convicts with shovels and the contents of Putin's dirty diaper, because he poops in them and that is very funny to me.

Funny...yet oddly sexy

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
all the dumb dumb articles about wagner's Very Special Shovel Battalion would be funnier if they are all planted to let china know that the collective west intelligence services had caught onto their perfidious plan to supply russia with non-lethal aid

in the form of tons of MPL-50s

Deadly Ham Sandwich
Aug 19, 2009
Smellrose

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

The Russians are integrating human wave tactics into their missiles strikes

lmao

Looking up the cost of the Iranian drones Russia bought bugged my eyes out. They are absurdly cheap compared to anything in NATO and can carry some missiles. $20k a pop? That's nothing. It's the sort of military engineering US MIC is incapable of producing because their isn't enough grift. Shooting it down with a Javelin missile costs over $200k. And then somehow Ukraine lost a fighter jet to one of these drones.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

lmao

Looking up the cost of the Iranian drones Russia bought bugged my eyes out. They are absurdly cheap compared to anything in NATO and can carry some missiles. $20k a pop? That's nothing. It's the sort of military engineering US MIC is incapable of producing because their isn't enough grift. Shooting it down with a Javelin missile costs over $200k. And then somehow Ukraine lost a fighter jet to one of these drones.

cheaper than a new russian ural motorcycle

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Nix Panicus posted:

A weapon to surpass Metal Gear

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

The Russians fleeing Georgia should not be allowed to leave!

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
https://twitter.com/dex_eve/status/1633562726718140416?s=20

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Nix Panicus posted:

Synghman Rhee murdered *at least* 100,000 suspected communist sympathizers, likely 200,000, and blamed it on the DPRK at the outset of the Korean War. The DPRK had a moral obligation to invade the RoK and destroy Rhee's government if for no other reason than to stop the killings. Alas the great satan of the earth, America, intervened.

The Jakarta Seoul Method

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin

gradenko_2000 posted:

The Jakarta Seoul Method

Hey, Seoul sister
Ain't that Mr. Rhee on the radio, stereo?
The way you move ain't fair, you know
Hey, Seoul sister
I don't want to miss a single thing you do
Tonight

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
imagine that i posted a gif of eva unit-01's shoulder armour opening up and dispensing a trowel here

Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all
Yeah, the big advantage of drones is that they were supposed to be cheap, but the defense companies fixed that years ago.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

The Russians are integrating human wave tactics into their missiles strikes

the microchip ban crippled the guidance systems so each missile is ridden and directed by a russian pilot

0 rows returned
Apr 9, 2007

crepeface posted:

imagine that i posted a gif of eva unit-01's shoulder armour opening up and dispensing a trowel here

asuka fighting the mass produced eva units and thinking she won until one of them hurls a shovel at her face

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Just a bit of trivia about the Brits/MIC worth pointing out while going through some work material. British tank guns are designed specifically for HESH. No HESH projectiles are being produced. Why? It's not that the British Army ruled it obsolete, in fact it remains a central part of their tactics, and they've had to carefully shepherd the stockpile they have left. Clearly they didn't want to get rid of it. Well, it wasn't their choice.

Imagine a tank with a cannon that can't fire the rounds it was designed for. Sounds like a loving joke, right? No, this is the reality for British tanks and the L31 HESH round, including the Challenger 2s being gifted to our friends in Ukraine. The root cause of this issue goes beyond a supply chain screwup, spall liners - in theory only by the way - making HESH obsolete, newer Russian composite armour arrays, perhaps a plant retooling. Nope, the reason the shells aren't being made anymore shouldn't surprise anyone ITT - it's emblematic of the devastating effects of neoliberalism and capitalism on the ability of the state to defend itself.

For centuries, the production of ordnance was a key component of the state's ability to assert its authority and defend its interests. The emergence of cannon was a crucial factor in the end of feudalism, it marked the first time in history that a central state was able to overcome the defensive capacity of castles controlled by feudal lords. Prior to the advent of cannon, feudal lords could (and did) rebel and hole up in their castles, and their defensive fortifications made them virtually impregnable to attack. In the Holy Roman Empire, feudal lords were able to wage private wars, Fehde, because of the defensive ability of their castles given the military technology of the time. These private wars were outside of the public wars in which the Emperor or Prince took part, Krieg, and defied the Landfriede.

The castles of the German nobility were built on impregnable (now picturesque) mountain crags or in other God forsaken (now scenic) places, making them difficult to capture by conventional means. As a result, the feudal lords were able to use their castles as a base of operations to raid neighbouring territories, extort money and goods from local merchants, terrorize the peasantry, and generally pursue their own private interests. The Holy Roman Empire was unable to prevent or even contain these private wars, which undermined the authority of the central government and threatened the stability of the entire empire.

However, the production of cannon changed this dynamic completely. Cannon had the ability to breach the thick walls of castles and other fortifications, finally making them vulnerable to attack. This gave the central state the ability to launch successful offensives against feudal lords, tilting the balance of power in favour of the state, the people, the nation.

The production of cannon-proof fortifications like Vauban's required resources that could only be harnessed by a state. The construction of these increasingly sophisticated, scientific, and expensive fortifications was quite simply beyond the reach of private actors. As a result, durable fortifications could only be controlled by the state, and in a stroke the protection of the people could only be done through the state. No lord could protect them, only the Crown could.There is a reason that cannon were known as the "Ultima Ratio Regum", and the British monarch's Cypher, as you know, is still borne on each gun to symbolize the state's control over this vital capacity. But in the 21st century, private interests have taken over, and the state has been disarmed in pursuit of profit.

HESH (High-Explosive Squash Head) is type of tank ammunition that specifically excels at destroying fortifications. HESH is unique among NATO projectiles in that it relies on a different principle than most anti-tank munitions. While other tank rounds such as APFDS (Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot) and HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) are designed to penetrate armor, HESH is designed to create a shockwave that spreads out over a wide area and crushes the target. It requires a rifled gun, which we will return to shortly. HESH is highly effective against a variety of structures and fieldworks, including timber and earth fieldworks, sandbag, log, concrete and steel bunkers, and buildings of all types made from various materials such as masonry, timber, and concrete. Its ability to reduce fortifications makes it an ideal tool for military forces looking to take down enemy defenses. It is, in a way, the continuation of those earliest cannon. It shakes walls and brings low the state's enemies that hide behind them.

The L31 HESH round, specifically designed for British tanks using rifled guns, and British tanks were specifically designed with rifled guns to use it, was a munition of the highest national interest. How did we get to a place now where the British Army must go without it? Doesn't that seem strange to you? Think about it. We're not just talking about tactics and doctrine here, British tanks were specifically designed to use this munition, now they can't, even though they want to.

The round way made by Royal Ordnance, now it is, or rather is not, made by BAE. See, the privatization of Royal Ordnance, which represented hundreds of years of accumulated capital and was one of the earliest state properties, was a betrayal not just to the people and taxpayers, but of the nation itself. We've talked about the SA80 before and how British soldiers died because their government gave them a lovely rifle, and that was entirely the result of privatization. Privatization of design, testing, MIC involvement in competitions, procurement, and the total dissolution of state production in favour of private goddamn interests. It got soldiers killed, ir produced a bad rifle. Now it's not producing a good shell. What the gently caress?

Well, when they turned over the keys to BAE, they turned over the ability to produce HESH, and since it fell into the control of private interests, it is no longer manufactured in the UK or anywhere else. BAE Systems, which inherited this infrastructure built at public expense, found it unprofitable to continue production. See, only one country used HESH. Well, small matter that it was their own goddamn country, it's barely a blip on the international arms market, and so the logic of our technocratic wizards at the End of History dictated that this inefficiency must be done away with. This is a prime example of how neoliberal capitalism has compromised the state. Private interests have replaced national interests, and the needs of the British military mean nothing compared to the international arms trade. Profit has rotted every element of the state, and the people and the nation pay the ultimate price.

The loss of the L31 HESH round is just one example of how western neoliberal states are not able, or not willing, to harness the forces truly needed to wage war. They, pardon the pun, loving gave away the keys to the castle. It's not just about ammunition - it's about the state's ability to defend itself and advance its interests.
The absurdity of a tank with a cannon that can't fire the rounds it was designed for is due entirely to the shortsightedness and greed of neoliberal capitalism.

Anyway, good luck to the Ukrainians with those loving Challengers.

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