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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Zeroisanumber posted:Not even scuba gear, 260 feet is too deep for commercial stuff.
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Mar 9, 2023 13:28
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John Ukraine put a ka-bar knife between his lips and dived all the way to the bottom on a single breath and stabbed the pipe so hard it exploded, propelling him back to Lviv
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Mar 9, 2023 13:29
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1633788318767775745
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Mar 9, 2023 13:43
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Some Guy TT posted:https://twitter.com/IlvesToomas/status/1633693342285414400 I got a free city tour in Tallinn 10 years back and the way they explained the bombings being militarily not that impressive is it was International Women's Day so they let the women fly.
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Mar 9, 2023 13:45
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Leandros posted:I think you're mixing feet and meters maybe? You can dive that fine, probably need trimix or heliox and a shitload of decompression but it's not impossible at all. Okay, so how many chartered tugboats have trimix, heliox and decompression chambers?
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Mar 9, 2023 13:45
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Leandros posted:I got a free city tour in Tallinn 10 years back and the way they explained the bombings being militarily not that impressive is it was International Women's Day so they let the women fly. chicks rock
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Mar 9, 2023 13:46
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Frosted Flake posted:Okay, so how many chartered tugboats have trimix, heliox and decompression chambers? Look I'm not saying it's a likely story (at all), just that particular part is not an issue. If we wanna talk hypotheticals, I don't think having a decompression chamber on a chartered ship would be super difficult but it probably would make more paper trail and it'd require a compressor and crane and whatnot, it drastically reduces your options. You don't actually need a chamber though, you can decompress by going up very slowly with stops at certain depths. It takes an absolutely inordinate amount of time at that depth and increases terribly the longer you stay, but it's doable.
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Mar 9, 2023 13:52
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lmao they flew that azov piece of poo poo taira to the white house and gave her an award on international women's day  https://good-time-invest.com/blog/ukrainian-paramedic-wins-international-women-of-courage-award/
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Mar 9, 2023 13:57
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Leandros posted:Look I'm not saying it's a likely story (at all), just that particular part is not an issue. If we wanna talk hypotheticals, I don't think having a decompression chamber on a chartered ship would be super difficult but it probably would make more paper trail and it'd require a compressor and crane and whatnot, it drastically reduces your options. You don't actually need a chamber though, you can decompress by going up very slowly with stops at certain depths. It takes an absolutely inordinate amount of time at that depth and increases terribly the longer you stay, but it's doable. given the depth of around 250m, wouldn't they have to go up over the course of like three-four days?
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Mar 9, 2023 13:58
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Not the first nazi hanging around the white house.
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Mar 9, 2023 13:59
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Zodium posted:given the depth of around 250m, wouldn't they have to go up over the course of like three-four days? See first post on this page
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Mar 9, 2023 14:02
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Zodium posted:given the depth of around 250m, wouldn't they have to go up over the course of like three-four days? Which was either in the exclusion zone of a major military exercise, or, went totally unobserved by Russian and NATO maritime surveillance, the OSINT guys etc. Just a ship drifting over critical infrastructure, no big deal. Pleasure cruises are known to remain at anchor for days at sea, trawlers and sport fishing charters too, lots of civilian dive boats in an area of extremely challenging depth with no ship wrecks or reefs or other tourist magnets.
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Mar 9, 2023 14:02
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Leandros posted:I think you're mixing feet and meters maybe? You can dive that fine, probably need trimix or heliox and a shitload of decompression but it's not impossible at all. oh it's 260 feet, i see.
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Mar 9, 2023 14:05
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imagine a headline that was like "How American Bombs Strengthened Antwerp's / Manila's / Formosa's Determination to Rebuild Its Independent Nation"
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Mar 9, 2023 14:08
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Non-political Estonia of 1944
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Mar 9, 2023 14:09
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Nonsense posted:Non-political Estonia of 1944 a country that wasn't political during WW2
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Mar 9, 2023 14:10
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lol at them pretending they're above this during a war of, according to them, survival you already blew up some guy in a truck in order to gently caress up that bridge, you blew Dugins daughter up... but this is unimaginable? Sorry guy but are you at war or not?
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Mar 9, 2023 14:15
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Regarde Aduck posted:lol at them pretending they're above this during a war of, according to them, survival Tried to drone strike that ammo dump?
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Mar 9, 2023 14:18
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Regarde Aduck posted:John Ukraine put a ka-bar knife between his lips and dived all the way to the bottom on a single breath and stabbed the pipe so hard it exploded, propelling him back to Lviv Been saying this!
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Mar 9, 2023 14:21
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/WarshipCam/status/1625194603824484363?t=Ecz3eaINHTJlLOZMc4VoYw&s=19 USS McFail
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Mar 9, 2023 14:26
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Frosted Flake posted:Which was either in the exclusion zone of a major military exercise, or, went totally unobserved by Russian and NATO maritime surveillance, the OSINT guys etc. Let's be honest here, you're giving the same arguments as people countering Hersh's claims. You don't need to keep the ship stationary (or just turn off your transponders), just dump the people in the vicinity, have them use underwater scooters to get to the right spot, pick them up using a Zodiac or something like it by looking for diving buoys, none of these things are super specific to military divers (except maybe the explosives aspect, I'm not familiar with typical professional diving activities). Again, I doubt it's the truth, something along the lines of Hersh's story sounds much more likely, but it's not entirely impossible. If Russia had good intel on activity there, military or otherwise, they would've shouted it from the rooftops. Scandinavian countries would no doubt have little qualms covering theirs up.
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Mar 9, 2023 14:26
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Regarde Aduck posted:John Ukraine put a ka-bar knife between his lips and dived all the way to the bottom on a single breath and stabbed the pipe so hard it exploded, propelling him back to Lviv The Ghost of Kyiv The Bhut of Bakhmut The Naga of Nordstream
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Mar 9, 2023 14:28
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Leandros posted:I got a free city tour in Tallinn 10 years back and the way they explained the bombings being militarily not that impressive is it was International Women's Day so they let the women fly. Lmao
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Mar 9, 2023 14:32
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Plus, whoever decided to blow the pipeline isn't a complete moron in site selection (maybe they are if it was some private activity and just got lucky). This is the number of ships, who actively report themselves, in the vicinity of one of the pipeline sabotages right now. It's not exactly a location where no ship ever passes by at low speed. There's a fishing boat moving around at less than 3 knots about two km from an explosion point today. 
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Mar 9, 2023 14:36
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Leandros posted:Let's be honest here, you're giving the same arguments as people countering Hersh's claims. You don't need to keep the ship stationary (or just turn off your transponders), just dump the people in the vicinity, have them use underwater scooters to get to the right spot, pick them up using a Zodiac or something like it by looking for diving buoys, none of these things are super specific to military divers (except maybe the explosives aspect, I'm not familiar with typical professional diving activities). Again, I doubt it's the truth, something along the lines of Hersh's story sounds much more likely, but it's not entirely impossible. If Russia had good intel on activity there, military or otherwise, they would've shouted it from the rooftops. Scandinavian countries would no doubt have little qualms covering theirs up. The issue is that you absolutely need demolition specialists considering it was a complex operation and as well as the size munitions themselves. That is where the story completely falls apart, it didn’t seem like an attack by a bunch of amateurs. That said, if you want guys quickly moving with large Zodiac boats with a sizable payload, you probably also have a specialized craft as well. That is going to look a bit obvious. Hersh had a specific story that matched up at with the movement of a specific craft that would be capable of such a thing by a organization with the capacity to accomplish that. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 14:44 on Mar 9, 2023 |
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Mar 9, 2023 14:38
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The time where Russia could not have good ISR would be during a NATO exercise, for obvious reasons.
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Mar 9, 2023 14:43
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Frosted Flake posted:The time where Russia could not have good ISR would be during a NATO exercise, for obvious reasons. Why do you argue that is obvious? Russia and others routinely observe each other’s exercises at sea, by design. It’s not like during naval exercises, all the other countries look away out of modesty.
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Mar 9, 2023 14:48
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Putin is weaponizing bimboification https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Vxwb-gJ1Q
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Mar 9, 2023 14:52
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/WarshipCam/status/1625194603824484363?t=Ecz3eaINHTJlLOZMc4VoYw&s=19 few more coats of rust and it will be ready to enter service in the Ukrainian navy
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Ardennes posted:The issue is that you absolutely need demolition specialists considering it was a complex operation and as well as the size munitions themselves. That is where the story falls apart for me, it didn’t seem like an attack by a bunch of amateurs. I haven't read any of the stories claiming they were amateurs? I just looked it up and there are definitely professional diving services with experience in explosive demolition, I don't see why a rich Ukrainian couldn't find some likeminded people to do it for him and keep quiet (or just kill after the fact). You also wouldn't have to use any strange big zodiac, you dump your stuff overboard and haul it attached to a normal boat or underwater vehicle. I think the biggest issue with the story is indeed the size of the explosion. If the seismic data is correct and their readouts correspond with ~100kg of explosives, that and it being packaged for long-term existence in seawater, would seem indicative of government involvement. But these things were not tanks, they had 1.6" of steel and 4.3" of concrete as walls. I wouldn't be surprised if a good shaped charge of a couple kg could have gotten the job done. Frosted Flake posted:The time where Russia could not have good ISR would be during a NATO exercise, for obvious reasons. I also fail to see why they would have to have done it during BALTOPS if they didn't need its cover. mlmp08 posted:Why do you argue that is obvious? Russia and others routinely observe each other’s exercises at sea, by design. Leandros has issued a correction as of 15:02 on Mar 9, 2023 |
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Mar 9, 2023 14:54
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mlmp08 posted:(maybe they are if it was some private activity and just got lucky). you are a menace
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Mar 9, 2023 14:54
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https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1633823000637198336?s=20
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Mar 9, 2023 14:59
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mlmp08 posted:Why do you argue that is obvious? Russia and others routinely observe each other’s exercises at sea, by design. No, but they can't exactly come by and drop sonarbuoys or board and search vessels, can they? Russian trawlers shadow NATO fleets, but during exercises it's from a significant distance.
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Mar 9, 2023 15:00
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some day we might figure out who did it.
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Mar 9, 2023 15:00
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Frosted Flake posted:No, but they can't exactly come by and drop sonarbuoys or board and search vessels, can they? Russia can’t just board and search vehicles in other countries’ EEZs, even outside of NATO exercises.
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Mar 9, 2023 15:01
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it was the yanks or somebody acting at their behest, hth
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Mar 9, 2023 15:02
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Cerebral Bore posted:it was the yanks or somebody acting at their behest, hth
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Mar 9, 2023 15:04
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sergei eisenstein is rolling and laughing in his grave; finally a hundred years after his death, his finest work has been achieved.
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Mar 9, 2023 15:08
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they must be winning big!
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Mar 9, 2023 15:11
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Leandros posted:I haven't read any of the stories claiming they were amateurs? I just looked it up and there are definitely professional diving services with experience in explosive demolition, I don't see why a rich Ukrainian couldn't find some likeminded people to do it for him and keep quiet (or just kill after the fact). You also wouldn't have to use any strange big zodiac, you dump your stuff overboard and haul it attached to a normal boat or underwater vehicle. I think the biggest issue with the story is indeed the size of the explosion. If the seismic data is correct and their readouts correspond with ~100kg of explosives, that and it being packaged for long-term existence in seawater, would seem indicative of government involvement. But these things were not tanks, they had 1.6" of steel and 4.3" of concrete as walls. I wouldn't be surprised if a good shaped charge of a couple kg could have gotten the job done. Do you know the size of the holes they blew in them? Also, if you need a bunch of specialized equipment, a large amount of explosives, and a diving team your probably not going to jam them all on a smaller craft. In particular, you want those explosives to be properly balanced. Yeah, what is the motive for a Ukrainian billionaire here anyway, how is he getting money out of what would actually be a very expensive operation? Ardennes has issued a correction as of 15:17 on Mar 9, 2023 |
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