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BioEnchanted posted:He uses his breathing grate like a child's play doh mold, and just forces the food through it. 
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credburn posted:My only memory of Step By Step is watching it and seeing not just one but TWO episodes that were almost identical to Happy Days episodes. I don't just mean thematically, it's like they reused the script and changed the names That’s really funny, because Family Matters is the tgif show that transparently plagiarizes Happy Days. Step by Step is transparent plagiarism of The Brady Bunch.
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I AM GRANDO posted:That’s really funny, because Family Matters is the tgif show that transparently plagiarizes Happy Days. Step by Step is transparent plagiarism of The Brady Bunch. Now in my head I'm not positive if the sitcom that copied the episodes was Family Matters or Step By Step... One of the episodes I'm talking about was "The Skin Game" on Happy Days. It's about the kids using fake IDs to get into a strip club, discover their father is there, go through some struggle about dad maybe having an affair, then dad revealing he brings clients there so he gets better deals or something. I don't remember what the dad did in Step By Step...
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Hoping it wasn't family matters then cause dad was a cop
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i have no problem with dropping the JRPG term, but what do we use to replace it with?I AM GRANDO posted:That’s really funny, because Family Matters is the tgif show that transparently plagiarizes Happy Days. Step by Step is transparent plagiarism of The Brady Bunch. one of the most sus things in family matters was that episode where carl tried to promote abstinence
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Mr Interweb posted:i have no problem with dropping the JRPG term, but what do we use to replace it with? I know someone said Anime RPG as a joke, but, why not? If you have a spiky haired protagonist and end up killing God at some point, then grab some pocky and welcome yourself to the Anime RPG club.
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What might you call that kind of aesthetic of console RPGs of the Final Fantasy 4 era that RPG Maker and games made from it are in the aesthetic realm of?
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Mr Interweb posted:i have no problem with dropping the JRPG term, but what do we use to replace it with? I've heard "Narrative RPG" or "Character RPG" thrown out as alternatives, highlighting that the games in this broad category tend to focus more on a set narrative centered on a predefined character. Like the Last Dragonborn or Commander Sheperd's personality is somewhat up to the player, but Cloud Strife is a character in the story and you're along for their ride. "Anime RPG" just sounds like "JRPG, but even more reductive because it isn't even all of Japan that's defining the genre, just a chunk of its pop culture" Asterite34 has a new favorite as of 03:04 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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CRPGs (computer RPGs) and CRPGs (console RPGs) are how I used to distinguish them, before I ever heard the term JRPG.
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Mr Interweb posted:i have no problem with dropping the JRPG term, but what do we use to replace it with? Call them by the specific genre. A turn based rpg is different from a strategy rpg is different than a first person dungeon crawler rpg is different than a monster collecting rpg and they don't need to have an umbrella term like jrpg
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Asterite34 posted:I've heard "Narrative RPG" or "Character RPG" thrown out as alternatives, highlighting that the games in this broad category tend to focus more on a set narrative centered on a predefined character. Like the Last Dragonborn or Commander Sheperd's personality is somewhat up to the player, but Cloud Strife is a character in the story and you're along for their ride. I like this, and then you can further break it down by having both narrative arpg, narrative turn-based rpg, etc. Which is good enough reason to change the name (though I don't see it changing) but, kinda devil's advocate, yes a Japanese developer said they have a problem with the term but that doesn't necessarily speak for the whole country. Countries are big and have more than one voice for each opinion, who knows if another developer sees it as a source of pride? I just know I've had to say about poo poo people have said "as Americans" here in China, "hey, you don't speak for me just cuz you're also from the same country as me."
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BrainDance posted:, who knows if another developer sees it as a source of pride? has anyone said this or are you imaging someone to agree with you
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Improbable Lobster posted:Call them by the specific genre. A turn based rpg is different from a strategy rpg is different than a first person dungeon crawler rpg is different than a monster collecting rpg and they don't need to have an umbrella term like jrpg Those represent mechanical differences but not stylistic or aesthetic ones.
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Improbable Lobster posted:has anyone said this or are you imaging someone to agree with you I think we should change it. I didn't say anyone did, I said none of us know and are instead deciding to use one developer as a spokesperson for an entire country. Like I get it, I know SA has a problem with treating Asian countries as if they're a monolith with no variety in opinions there, that's like half the problem with the China threads. But it's, generally, a lovely thing to do. We should change it if not just for making a more accurate genre name, and Naoki Yoshida has a good point and yeah, maybe that is how Japanese devs overall feel. But you don't go "well noted Japanese guy Naoki Yoshida said his opinion that's now the whole opinion of Japan problem solved" cuz, that is very belittling to the complexity of other cultures. BrainDance has a new favorite as of 04:41 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Those represent mechanical differences but not stylistic or aesthetic ones. so loving what
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as we all know, every other video game genre is based on aesthetic and stylistic differences instead of mechanical ones
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Improbable Lobster posted:Call them by the specific genre. A turn based rpg is different from a strategy rpg is different than a first person dungeon crawler rpg is different than a monster collecting rpg and they don't need to have an umbrella term like jrpg I guess this really is the genre thread now so: I would genuinely find an umbrella term useful, as earlier today I was idly browsing my game library in a mood to play a type of RPG. Among other things, I considered Triangle Strategy, Shin Megami Tensei III, and Ikenfell before settling on playing even more Octopath Traveler II (great game btw, I recommend checking out the demo even if you weren't super into the first one). These games have mechanical differences, one is an SRPG and one is a monster battler and all that, but it's a bit silly to say there's no use for a broader description regardless of nation. I wish I could hear more Japanese folks talking about their perspectives as well. Edit: whatever you might wanna call this school of RPGs is a hundred times more focused and coherent than "roguelike" cmon now woke kaczynski has a new favorite as of 04:33 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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BrainDance posted:I think we should change it. In the same interview, didn't he say lots of devs recieve the term more positively these days?
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Improbable Lobster posted:Call them by the specific genre. A turn based rpg is different from a strategy rpg is different than a first person dungeon crawler rpg is different than a monster collecting rpg and they don't need to have an umbrella term like jrpg The thing is, none of those are actually considered 'JRPGs' as the term goes but the first. Turn-Based RPG is largely fine, I think, outside of some edge-cases. mycatscrimes posted:In the same interview, didn't he say lots of devs recieve the term more positively these days? Yeah, he was just talking about how when he was just starting as a director in around 2008, the genre (and the term for it) were being used as a swear word by Westerners, which turned him off on the word. That was around the time all the Japanese devs started giving their IPs to Western devs to westernize and make super popular, which completely flopped and caused a turn-around (probably helped when people started telling assholes like Phil Fish to shut the hell up).
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Genres are fake fools
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woke kaczynski posted:Edit: whatever you might wanna call this school of RPGs is a hundred times more focused and coherent than "roguelike" cmon now Roguelike used to mean games that were basically like Rogue, to be fair. Then it became a trendy marketing term and now it's basically meaningless.
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The Moon Monster posted:Roguelike used to mean games that were basically like Rogue, to be fair. Then it became a trendy marketing term and now it's basically meaningless. To me at least it means "game with a fairly short run-through time that expects you to run through it over and over unlocking stuff until you can actually beat it," and it's fine as part of a larger descriptor. Like maybe it's an action-adventure rogue-like, or a deck builder rogue-like, or whatever. I generally don't like rogue-likes apart from Hades, so it's quite handy for me
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Kit Walker posted:To me at least it means "game with a fairly short run-through time that expects you to run through it over and over unlocking stuff until you can actually beat it," and it's fine as part of a larger descriptor. Like maybe it's an action-adventure rogue-like, or a deck builder rogue-like, or whatever. I generally don't like rogue-likes apart from Hades, so it's quite handy for me You're thinking Rogue-lites, not Rogue-like. Rogue-like tends to mean a game where the main "world" and the items in the world are largely randomized, Rogue-lite is that, but geared towards shorter games with more of an emphasis on unlocking content for later playthroughs. Hades is a hell of a lot shorter to play through than Nethack, for example.
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Randalor posted:You're thinking Rogue-lites, not Rogue-like. Rogue-like tends to mean a game where the main "world" and the items in the world are largely randomized, Rogue-lite is that, but geared towards shorter games with more of an emphasis on unlocking content for later playthroughs. Hades is a hell of a lot shorter to play through than Nethack, for example. Oh yeah, you're totally right. My mistake. Rogue-likes are more like ADOM. They're also not exactly my thing but the issue I have is mainly with rogue-lites, yeah
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Video game genres get weird and funny because the ways they evolve often involve taking established formulas and mechanics and rearranging, isolating, and recombining them in familiar but new fashions that end up with a different gameplay experience. And this isn't always a good thing, see how modern AAA games all end up being bloated conglomerations of action, stealth, exploration, crafting etc etc with rather less regard than they should have for how all those elements actually fit together. Though that's not a new problem, see all those games that had awful forced stealth sections after Metal Gear Solid in clumsy cargo culting.
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Am I misremembering or is jrpg a category on Steam?
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Torquemada posted:Am I misremembering or is jrpg a category on Steam? I think they're all just labeled "Anime". I can't remember to be honest, I have a block on all that stuff.
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Torquemada posted:Am I misremembering or is jrpg a category on Steam? It exists as a user tag. The high-level genres don't go more specific than RPG though, I don't think. Edit: I shoulda checked closer 
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Jedit posted:I think they're all just labeled "Anime". I can't remember to be honest, I have a block on all that stuff. Me too, but Steam finds a way to circumvent my preferences and advertise poorly translated big titty cat girls fighting demons to histrionic music nonetheless.
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Torquemada posted:Me too, but Steam finds a way to circumvent my preferences and advertise poorly translated big titty cat girls fighting demons to histrionic music nonetheless. Tell me about it. It's less "find a way to circumvent my preferences" and more "just ignore my preferences if Steam feels like it" though. Mostly it's OK, but every so often I'll get some game showing up that was evidently made both by and for paedophiles, Nazis or paedophile Nazis. It's annoying as hell.
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Kchama posted:The thing is, none of those are actually considered 'JRPGs' as the term goes but the first. Turn-Based RPG is largely fine, I think, outside of some edge-cases. yeah no actually a bunch of jrpgs (smt/persona, most final fantasys, etrian odessy for a few examples) fall into other rpg categories and many games people call jrpgs are not turn-based party rpgs because endocriminologist posted:Genres are fake fools no one calls them wrpgs anymore because it's a worthless term and jrpg is just as worthless. Improbable Lobster has a new favorite as of 17:22 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Would you call Fire Emblem a JRPG? Disgaea? Because I found it real funny when I realised those are closer genre stablemates to X-COM.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Would you call Fire Emblem a JRPG? Disgaea? Because I found it real funny when I realised those are closer genre stablemates to X-COM. SRPG e: I've only ever really used JRPG as a catch-all term when I don't have a more specific option to go with so I don't mind switching to a better alternative
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I don't think JRPG is a derogatory term per se, I understand why the Japanese devs may feel that way but I think that's an overreach. There was definitely a whole lot of racism towards Japanese media, though in my experience the grognard, early millennial/late genx narrative in the late 00s, such as you would often see on this very forum, was more that Japanese media was good in the 90s or before (when the poster in question was a child, just coincidentially) and then became bad. The people bashing Japanese games or anime at that time generally still held like Chrono Trigger or FF6 or Cowboy Bebop or even Evangelion in high esteem, they just did not like where things had gone in the 00s. Lots of complaining and panics about *moe*, lots of discourse around Galapagos Syndrome, until it turned out that all the supposedly Japan-specific insular features like mobile gacha games were like 5 years away from taking over everywhere else The 00s was just a bad decade in general, I think icantfindaname has a new favorite as of 20:19 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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CJacobs posted:I call them Pineapple Dressers after Bioshock Infinite tbf before globalization and fast transportation networks(oh and some sort of preservation that keeps the whole fruit err whole) , having exotic tropical fruit was a sign of wealth . thats why we have a disconnect with fruit baskets being seen as fancy. or some THING dish/dessert being seens as supa fancy. 1%ers in Columbia would hide the expensive fruit away.
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I think, way back when, you could rent exotic fruits, too, just to class up the joint
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Globalization opened up a whole lot of the fruit market, so it's progressed to exotic fruits being expensive novelty gifts like square watermelon.
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from wikipedia "Although cube melons were originally created with practicality in mind, the cost is prohibitive. The cube shape of the watermelon can only be achieved at the expense of its contents. To retain the proper shape, cube melons must be harvested before they are ripe, rendering them inedible" To retain the proper shape, cube melons must be harvested before they are ripe, rendering them inedible"
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PYF: JRPG Name thread: cube melons must be harvested before they are ripe, rendering them inedible
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