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orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



pmchem posted:

Well, I'd like to see ol Donny Trump wriggle his way out of THIS jam!
*Trump wriggles his way out of the jam easily*
Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

Pretty much, I'm pretty sure if he somehow seriously makes a run at the Presidency though he will get tossed out on his face, because he has years and years of ready written attack ads against him at this point. (He's absolutely going to split the Republican party in 2024 lol)

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Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Hoping he goes to jail, but dang still absurd to step back and see that a former president is getting indicted for hush money to a porn star, and shrug and think yeah that sounds like him. It’s not even the lead story on all news sites.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

This is the first of many prosecutions coming his way in the next few months. He may be able to dodge some or most of them, but I doubt all of them.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
The funniest thing is if he runs from jail debs style and wins

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Oh please please please

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Wrong Theory posted:

Between cartel and Sicario chat I really want to play GR Wildlands again. Baby makes three!

A friend of mine talked me into playing that co-op with them not too long ago, and it was... alright? If nothing else, it did a good job of showing how (up to) four well-trained idiots could destabilize a cartel, given sufficient resources and helicopter call-ins.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Oh please please please



Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
it'd be hella ironic if illegal drugs are so important to the world economy that repealing prohibition caused some new and deeper level of systemic collapse

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

I want to live in hope, OK?

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
So the walls are closing in and Trump is increasingly isolated right? Guess this will be the hardest six months of his presidency then. He'll never wriggle his way out of this jam.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

bird food bathtub posted:

So the walls are closing in and Trump is increasingly isolated right? Guess this will be the hardest six months of his presidency then. He'll never wriggle his way out of this jam.

Oh well... nonetheless...

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
The New York case is the weirdest because it's the Stormy Daniels $130k payment case and the same DA passed on charges before. It's also a misdemeanor that could get trumped-up (ugh) into a felony if they somehow prove it was directly intended to be election-related. And it's kinda close to the statute of limitations.

So it's really, really loving odd, like there's new evidence or something changed in the very recent past. Maybe because of the Trump Org civil conviction? There's way more meat on the Fulton County (GA) and Special Counsel cases so this one really does rate around a strawberry on the jam wriggling-o-meter.

Maybe they got a crimes.txt email from someone? :confused:

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
yeeeeesh

https://twitter.com/Dave_Boucher1/status/1634207244421144576?t=057JNqYxvnLDV7dxmToY2g&s=19

and... yeesh? I don't really know, but gently caress that sounds pretty close.

https://twitter.com/broderick/status/1634198508512194562?t=-bd1LccX8r63iraFEfEBbg&s=19

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
I was going to ask y'all just what the gently caress Silicon Valley Bank actually loving was, because everyone is speaking gibberish about it and none of it penetrates my brain.

But lol they're gone now, officially a failed bank taken over by the FDIC:

https://twitter.com/kgreifeld/status/1634234151783022606?t=H5yng8MG__44t8o02wPJhA&s=19

I think they were just a 17-branch bank that catered specifically to silicon valley venture capital tech bro speculation and now they're the first dead insured bank since the early pandemic. RIP whatever the gently caress that bank was!

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

facialimpediment posted:

I was going to ask y'all just what the gently caress Silicon Valley Bank actually loving was, because everyone is speaking gibberish about it and none of it penetrates my brain.

But lol they're gone now, officially a failed bank taken over by the FDIC:

https://twitter.com/kgreifeld/status/1634234151783022606?t=H5yng8MG__44t8o02wPJhA&s=19

I think they were just a 17-branch bank that catered specifically to silicon valley venture capital tech bro speculation and now they're the first dead insured bank since the early pandemic. RIP whatever the gently caress that bank was!

They invested a significant amount in Crypto. You can guess from there what happened. They got tied at the hip with Silvergate:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/crypto-bank-signature-slides-on-friday-amid-troubles-at-silicon-valley-bank-silvergate.html

Squiggle
Sep 29, 2002

I don't think she likes the special sauce, Rick.


It is - was - apparently America's 16th largest bank, so 17 branches or not this is going to be a ride.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

CommieGIR posted:

They invested a significant amount in Crypto. You can guess from there what happened. They got tied at the hip with Silvergate:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/crypto-bank-signature-slides-on-friday-amid-troubles-at-silicon-valley-bank-silvergate.html

loving cryptocurrency, I swear it's the sovereign citizens of the financial world. It never matters how many brick walls of reality that poo poo slams in to, it just keeps right on trucking. "It can't be that stupid you must be explaining it wrong" indeed.

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

facialimpediment posted:

I was going to ask y'all just what the gently caress Silicon Valley Bank actually loving was, because everyone is speaking gibberish about it and none of it penetrates my brain.

But lol they're gone now, officially a failed bank taken over by the FDIC:

https://twitter.com/kgreifeld/status/1634234151783022606?t=H5yng8MG__44t8o02wPJhA&s=19

I think they were just a 17-branch bank that catered specifically to silicon valley venture capital tech bro speculation and now they're the first dead insured bank since the early pandemic. RIP whatever the gently caress that bank was!

They catered to startups, providing early stage funding, but also advice and connections. Close to venture capital. When I talked to them their people made it sound like they were a step closer to more traditional banks and thus a step more conservative in their investments than traditional venture cap.

They also had an investment arm in wine in Napa and a presence in Isreal to catch Israeli startups among other places.

lightpole fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 10, 2023

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Squiggle posted:

It is - was - apparently America's 16th largest bank, so 17 branches or not this is going to be a ride.

Finally found some numbers in relation to the potential losses and loving lol on a stick:

https://twitter.com/business/status/1634211584657571843?t=E2FA1NdGyzW5MQCZ6UlMpA&s=19

Shocking development that the bank went kablooey when all the startups decided to call a bank run and pulled whatever the gently caress they could still access.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

facialimpediment posted:

I was going to ask y'all just what the gently caress Silicon Valley Bank actually loving was, because everyone is speaking gibberish about it and none of it penetrates my brain.

But lol they're gone now, officially a failed bank taken over by the FDIC:

https://twitter.com/kgreifeld/status/1634234151783022606?t=H5yng8MG__44t8o02wPJhA&s=19

I think they were just a 17-branch bank that catered specifically to silicon valley venture capital tech bro speculation and now they're the first dead insured bank since the early pandemic. RIP whatever the gently caress that bank was!

They were doing pretty normal boring bank poo poo but for whatever reason almost all their depositors were SV startup companies, it's the bank all the startups used for their business banking accounts and they all piled into the exit at the same time.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
"Charges filed against Trump in overdue parking fines investigation"

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

shame on an IGA posted:

They were doing pretty normal boring bank poo poo but for whatever reason almost all their depositors were SV startup companies, it's the bank all the startups used for their business banking accounts and they all piled into the exit at the same time.

Looks like boring bank poo poo at a hilariously bad time:

https://twitter.com/mbdailyshow/status/1634225065129660421?t=CuKH0B0urjNQmAhHwqoB4A&s=19

VCs stopped getting funding when interest rates went up, so the bank didn't get consistent deposits to make up for the $80B they tied up at a now-poo poo rate. So, the bank started selling those at a loss to free up money, but still didn't get enough to get eaten by the run.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





I realize this article doesn't say anything new, but seeing it all nicely compiled together was pretty :stare:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61084161

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

The SVB thing is having some chain reaction effects already as the scramble to re-finance hits up every other bank. My wife is trying to sell her company right now, and even though she wasn't with SVB (they were dicks to her on the last startup she ran), the chaos is holding stuff up for every other bank, too.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


facialimpediment posted:

Looks like boring bank poo poo at a hilariously bad time:

https://twitter.com/mbdailyshow/status/1634225065129660421?t=CuKH0B0urjNQmAhHwqoB4A&s=19

VCs stopped getting funding when interest rates went up, so the bank didn't get consistent deposits to make up for the $80B they tied up at a now-poo poo rate. So, the bank started selling those at a loss to free up money, but still didn't get enough to get eaten by the run.
There’s a pretty good chance this will become a larger and more common problem as interest rates keep rising. Deposits are suddenly expensive for banks and yeah, banks bought a lot of different securities (including very safe treasury bonds) that pay crap now. They may have to sell those at a loss to pay depositors’ interest. Businesses are still fairly flush with cash from the pandemic and don’t need to borrow money, new mortgages are slowing and likely to continue to slow with higher interest rates so banks’ interest income isn’t great either. Even conservative, well-managed banks might be in a for a rough time.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1634258231718494208?t=P--qnCfgsUneNf2qjbjweA&s=19

Get hosed with this idea. They get $250k that FDIC guarantees and not a penny more from the Feds

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

There’s a pretty good chance this will become a larger and more common problem as interest rates keep rising. Deposits are suddenly expensive for banks and yeah, banks bought a lot of different securities (including very safe treasury bonds) that pay crap now. They may have to sell those at a loss to pay depositors’ interest. Businesses are still fairly flush with cash from the pandemic and don’t need to borrow money, new mortgages are slowing and likely to continue to slow with higher interest rates so banks’ interest income isn’t great either. Even conservative, well-managed banks might be in a for a rough time.

dunno, this is why regulations are so strict on GSIB's and most other regional banks don't have the same panicky social media client base as SVB. the biggest bank of them all, JP Morgan Chase, is green today

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

the scale of withdrawals from SVB must have been enormous, they only took an 8.5% loss on the last round of bonds they sold and that was enough to kill the bank

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".
Companies need a place to put their money, thus SVB. You would be liquidating a lot of companies letting this stand overnight. The 250k limit is just FDIC max since most normal people would be covered. Companies would be ripping their money out of there.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


a lot of the >$250k uninsured amounts will be covered as the bank's assets get liquidated

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

pmchem posted:

a lot of the >$250k uninsured amounts will be covered as the bank's assets get liquidated

True but this is a slow process, companies, especially startups, can't wait and need access funds.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
https://twitter.com/CoinDesk/status/1634277243487768579?t=6laAbw-OmczYgFCr2_sXgA&s=19

lol that another exchange-like homogenate is getting hosed by the bank failure, instead of actively contributing to the failure

though a lot of that tied up venture capital was probably crypto-adjacent

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



The fact that FDIC took direct receivership and couldn't wait until after close of business Friday means it must have been dire, they usually fail banks over the weekend so another bank can buy their stuff up without disrupting stuff as badly. Absolutely hilarious.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
Garry Tan Ycombinator CEO on CNBC live:

* 1/3 of YC's 3,000 startups (so 1k companies) unlikely to make payroll
* founders asking if they need to furlough employees
* Rippling not sending money, it's bad!
* If SVB is your only bank, it's an existential risk, that starts Monday

https://twitter.com/crupicrupicrupi/status/1634321772592939009?s=20

Kesper North fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Mar 11, 2023

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Midjack posted:

The fact that FDIC took direct receivership and couldn't wait until after close of business Friday means it must have been dire, they usually fail banks over the weekend so another bank can buy their stuff up without disrupting stuff as badly. Absolutely hilarious.

I wouldn't be surprised if the bank alerted them of a pending issue that initiated the response.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

CommieGIR posted:

I wouldn't be surprised if the bank alerted them of a pending issue that initiated the response.

FDIC people were apparently at the bank yesterday, so that's probably when most of the emergency planning was done.

But one thing I really don't know about - can big businesses even have guarantees on their funding when banks fail? Like obviously the FDIC covers the $250k, but is the business backstop for accounts above that simply that some other bank would jump in and buy the failed bank?

Incidentally, another factor into why this all happened - Trump, Republicans, and SVB's CEO killed off Dodd-Frank for regional banks!

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1634330899171901440?t=8CqfLuHezfKwMoBS-f-pfw&s=19

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

the backstop for most businesses is spreading it around to more than one bank and using banks that are huge and have a diverse customer base that won't all get crunched at the same time.

There needs to be a hard look at why all the startups were using the same bank, and nobody else was using that bank. was it just inertia because all the VCs that fund them used them so internal account transfers were faster/cheaper than interbank or what's the deal there, seriously. From some analyses earlier in the year by that twitter guy that called this in Jan. it looks like the banks assets aren't terrible but they had a bunch of money flow in all at once, and bought assets all at once, which happened to be the top of the market. Once it's all parted out I'd guess the unsecured deposits get ~85-90% back

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



The reason all the fart app startups used SVB is because they didn't ask too many questions like "do you think your business can actually make money?"

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


I can't stop laughing at how awkward this entire exchange is
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1634234996843003921

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
he shoulda just posted through it, his cowardice will cost him way more.

It's all very, very funny though

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