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Here, let me help you "yeah that ain't me" It's Early aughts internet. who's going to challange it?
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It is really telling that Ted Rall thinks a world that rewards competent assholes, and one that favors untalented but genuinely good, people are equally unfair.
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Mar 10, 2023 14:53
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Trapezium Dave posted:Rall: Validation Culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4QyOoaOIo
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Mar 10, 2023 15:55
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HootTheOwl posted:Here, let me help you "yeah that ain't me"
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Mar 10, 2023 16:31
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Pants Donkey posted:The only people who get “canceled” over stupid poo poo from like ten years ago are the ones who get weirdly defensive or double down on it. "EVERYONE WAS SAYING [HORRIBLE THING] AT THE TIME! it was normal! I don't know why everyone got so sensitive! ALSO there's no reason to project my past horrible statements onto my present beliefs, despite the fact that right now I'm fervently defending them and reiterating a few. Yeah I could disavow this poo poo but NO  "
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Mar 10, 2023 16:44
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So the choices are competent but an rear end in a top hat, or incompetent but nice. No middle ground. It’s impossible to replace assholes because then all we have is incompetence.
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Mar 10, 2023 16:50
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Murdstone posted:So the choices are competent but an rear end in a top hat, or incompetent but nice. No middle ground. It’s impossible to replace assholes because then all we have is incompetence. Which, of course, is typical lack of self awareness because Rall is an incompetent rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 10, 2023 17:03
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Murdstone posted:So the choices are competent but an rear end in a top hat, or incompetent but nice. No middle ground. It’s impossible to replace assholes because then all we have is incompetence. And like someone else said it's still a better world. I don't want someone who wants to abolish medicaid and put lgbt people in a camp to be in charge that's bad, and if they're super competent at accomplishing those things that's worse!
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Mar 10, 2023 17:48
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It plays into these center-left to center-right myths that history ended in 1992, there are no ideological battles anymore, there's just one "objectively correct" way to do anything and rather than questions of values and morality, authorities can be rated along a single axis of "competence" and picking leaders is just about finding the person highest on the competence scale no matter their beliefs. They will do the best thing because they are the most competent regardless of their personal values because there is only one right way to do things. Which is pretty funny considering how many of his cartoons poo poo on Democrats for compromising with fascists or doing the same neocon wars but smarter etc. Like, what was his problem with Obama? He didn't call him incompetent, he called him Hello Kitty Hitler. That's just saying his values and beliefs were bad, but so what, if you shouldn't be "canceled" for that as long as you're competent? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Mar 10, 2023 17:59
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I think the particularly Rallian perspective is correctly pointing out that interpersonal skills and charity are not treated as desirable traits in the workplace or politics, and jumping straight to the conclusion that it would be absolutely ridiculous for it to be otherwise, because dudes getting fired for being sexist is worse than just letting boys be boys. Like yeah we get that that's how you feel, but you're not supposed to actually admit it.
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Mar 10, 2023 18:09
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Alright yeah, guess it's my turn to be mad at a stupid take posted by The Nib. "Surely the problem with higher education is a lack of austerity" 
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VitalSigns posted:It plays into these center-left to center-right myths that history ended in 1992, there are no ideological battles anymore, there's just one "objectively correct" way to do anything and rather than questions of values and morality, authorities can be rated along a single axis of "competence" and picking leaders is just about finding the person highest on the competence scale no matter their beliefs. They will do the best thing because they are the most competent regardless of their personal values because there is only one right way to do things. Then by the 90s it stopped being a word used by socialists to deride the management class and started being used as a self-affirming term by the exact people it was originally pointed at. "What's wrong with governance by the most competent?" they'd ask, having not read the book.
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Mar 10, 2023 18:24
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Sardonik posted:Alright yeah, guess it's my turn to be mad at a stupid take posted by The Nib.
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Sardonik posted:Alright yeah, guess it's my turn to be
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Sardonik posted:Alright yeah, guess it's my turn to be mad at a stupid take posted by The Nib. Really want to see the path you took to arrive at this take, I bet it's wild.
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Fister Roboto posted:Really want to see the path you took to arrive at this take, I bet it's wild. There's nothing wild about it. The comic features two joyfully exuberant people in university leadership positions in business suits walking around a campus with a bunch of dollar sign tags attached to everything, including themselves. There is no other way to interpret it other than a lame-brained take about higher education being too expensive because of bad university leadership wasting money on frivolities (and themselves). Sardonik fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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 Guardian:  "Martin Rowson: Tories react to Gary Lineker’s comments on the migration bill – Suella Braverman said on Thursday she was personally offended by the sports pundit saying the language around the new bill was ‘not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s’"; Blizzard warnings issued as snow causes UK travel disruption Telegraph:  HS2 extension to Euston set to be delayed by nearly a decade Matt:  Weight loss jab to be offered to tens of thousands of obese people on the NHS Independent:  Times:  Macron set to reject Rishi Sunak’s return plan for small boat migrants After Lautrec. Evening Standard:  UK economy rebounds to grow by 0.3% in January;  All dogs great and small arrive in their winter gear for Crufts  Stephen Collins: 
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Sardonik posted:There's nothing wild about it. The comic features two people in university leadership positions in business suits walking around a campus with a bunch of dollar sign tags attached to everything, including themselves. There is no other way to interpret it other than a lame-brained take about higher education being too expensive because of bad university leadership wasting money on frivolities. And that means "more austerity" how?
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Fister Roboto posted:And that means "more austerity" how? One could easily see the comic as a call for universities to have new regulations put on them in order to restrict their spending, fitting into the larger austerity mindset of problems being caused by people living high on the hog (see: the dean and president in the cartoon) and abusing the system rather than it not being properly funded in the first place. Sardonik fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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This is like accusing people who are saying insulin shouldn't cost hundreds of dollars a dose of wanting "more austerity"
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VitalSigns posted:This is like accusing people who are saying insulin shouldn't cost hundreds of dollars a dose of wanting "more austerity" Nobody is saying college isn't too expensive. My point is they are dead wrong about the cause in an actively harmful way that plays right into the austerity mindset. A more accurate cartoon would highlight the lack of public investment in higher education relative to other countries. Or even how the individual cost burden has shifted over the decades. 'Those dumb/evil out of touch university admins are the largest at fault' is the dumbest take. I don't know how many higher education leadership people the artist talks to regularly but they ain't smiling. Sardonik fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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I think that requires an extremely uncharitable interpretation, and also an inaccurate definition of what austerity usually means in this context (gutting social benefits in order to afford tax cuts for the rich). My interpretation is that colleges are more focused on extracting wealth from their students through exorbitant tuition costs rather than providing them with a quality education. Which isn't that much different from the first half of your take, but I don't see why you make the leap to "therefore colleges should spend less money".
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Tuition has been rising faster than inflation most years, independent of the other problem of lack of state funding. This is only natural because prices are set by supply and demand, so colleges simply charge as much as they can get away with. Same as pharma companies do for insulin. Any solution to college costs is going to include both public funding and price controls, just as countries with universal healthcare do for drug prices. You can't just use public money to buy whatever price is asked without price controls (well you can, we force Medicare to do this, but it's not a great idea unless you are an executive of the company taking the money)
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Sardonik posted:Nobody is saying college isn't too expensive. My point is they are dead wrong about the cause in an actively harmful way that plays right into the austerity mindset. Have you ever worked in higher education?
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Fister Roboto posted:I think that requires an extremely uncharitable interpretation, and also an inaccurate definition of what austerity usually means in this context (gutting social benefits in order to afford tax cuts for the rich). VitalSigns posted:Tuition has been rising faster than inflation most years, independent of the other problem of lack of state funding. Xiahou Dun posted:Have you ever worked in higher education? For over a decade, yes. That is why this issue is so enraging to me. The artist clearly has no perspective on the core issue and is lazily latching on to the often cited example of a wealthy institution blowing money on buildings and overpaid staff. Most institutions are struggling, particularly in the aftermath of covid. Sardonik fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Sardonik posted:I don't think it's that uncharitable. Political cartoons generally implicitly support a change in policy at some level. I would ask what policy change do you see the comic as advocating for? Not austerity as you claim it is. If I had to guess, it would be free college and/or student loan forgiveness. I kind of see what you're trying to say, that it's not literally the dean and president making these decisions. If I were to make a better comic, I would include a football coach and a brand new stadium. But I still think it's a huge stretch to say that this is a right-wing pro-austerity cartoon.
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Cloud Potato posted:Independent:  
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Can't awayness the anus Kellies Nomination: Best Edit/Parody
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I guess it does misidentify the problem a bit, if it's proposing a solution it seems to be that college presidents should be individually better people and just charge less and not do the bullshit some colleges do (like build expensive 'luxury' dorms and then pay for this by forcing students to live on campus, forcing them to take out more loans to afford room and board), which is hardly a solution. It's not even that presidents are bad people, market-driven education pressures them that way and they'll just get replaced with someone else if they don't gouge students. But it's also a single-panel cartoon, hardly a complete policy paper, it doesn't have to address everything, it can be okay just to criticize one issue at a time. I wouldn't call it austerity though, that's a term for cutting public expenditures to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, and the artist isn't advocating for that. They're criticizing market actors.
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College costs too much. That is the comic. Goons.
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Fister Roboto posted:Not austerity as you claim it is. If I had to guess, it would be free college and/or student loan forgiveness. VitalSigns posted:I guess it does misidentify the problem a bit, if it's proposing a solution it seems to be that college presidents should be individually better people and just charge less and not do the bullshit some colleges do (like build expensive 'luxury' dorms and then pay for this by forcing students to live on campus, forcing them to take out more loans to afford room and board), which is hardly a solution. It's not even that presidents are bad people, market-driven education pressures them that way and they'll just get replaced with someone else if they don't gouge students. Ok, fair, austerity was a poor choice of words on my part. Admittedly I'm overreacting to this. It just feels like salt in the wounds, working for a cash-strapped liberal arts university in an exceptionally political unfriendly red state and seeing this kind of thing.
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Sardonik posted:I don't think it's that uncharitable. Political cartoons generally implicitly support a change in policy at some level. I would ask what policy change do you see the comic as advocating for? I disagree with this line of thought right here. Political cartoons are all about pointing out problems and almost never support any sort of solution to those problems. Any policy statement is coming from the reader.
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Dubar posted:I disagree with this line of thought right here. Political cartoons are all about pointing out problems and almost never support any sort of solution to those problems. Any policy statement is coming from the reader. You're right 'generally' was way too far there, especially with the slew of 'a thing happened' cartoons. Though I will say I see enough in this particular cartoon in terms of an identified party at fault/identified victim/modality of harm that it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to call it advocacy for some kind of a policy, even if not directly named. Sardonik fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Hihohe posted:College costs too much. That is the comic. Goons.
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 Most of the cartoons are about the AUKUS submarine deals; they haven't been formally announced but it looks like we will go with a combination of both British designed subs in the long term with the purchase of up to five Virginia-class US built subs in the meantime, with a potential 170 billion price tag. Pope:  Rowe:  Lethbridge:  Spooner:  Moir:  Katauskas:  Knight:  ‘Dig up dirt’ on IBAC: Victorian government under pressure over leaked letter (Guardian) "Document sent to parliament’s presiding officers included claim that government MPs sought to undermine integrity watchdog". Leunig: 
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Skios posted:Michael Ramirez Pulitzer Prize winner Michael Ramirez using timely references to make incisive commentary
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It seems like the right wing has had a bit of an issue with the Southern Poverty Law Center over the past few years. Does anyone have an actual answer as to why?
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Xander77 posted:It seems like the right wing has had a bit of an issue with the Southern Poverty Law Center over the past few years. Does anyone have an actual answer as to why? Because they don't like to be called hate groups so they attack the SPLC who calls them hate groups.
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Trapezium Dave posted:Pope: A Mooncrash cartoon. Xander77 posted:It seems like the right wing has had a bit of an issue with the Southern Poverty Law Center over the past few years. Does anyone have an actual answer as to why? They don't like being called out on their bigotry.
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