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Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Just Chamber posted:

Even if you account for propaganda even if the reality is he maybe killed ~50 in 10 days that is utter insanity. And yes echoing the question how the gently caress are there any officers left alive on the Russian side to give these orders?

Few come back? The ones that come back are too shocked

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Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Power Khan posted:

When you need to make a bigger boom and all you got right now is these defunct roombas

https://twitter.com/VictoriaIakove1/status/1634215848742379521

Its always crazy stuff seeing how inert TNT is compared to what was used before it was invented. Even setting that to fire just makes it burn aggressively and hot, but not go kaboom and all over the place without a primer.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Hahaha holy gently caress partisans set a Su-27 on fire at the Central Corner air base in Artyom, Primorsky Krai.


Just a burning jet, nothing else

https://v.redd.it/r266pa82uyma1


LOL Russia made an entire army unit dedicated just to finding lost mobiks, incredible. The Shepherd Brigade lol

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-army-unit-sent-soldiers-175916203.html

Little Bo Peepski posted:

Russians sent to fight on the front lines are mutinying, fighting amongst themselves, getting locked in basements and lost in the chaos of a faltering offensive, a flurry of videos and messages from inside Vladimir Putin’s army show.

Recently mobilised soldiers are refusing orders to face “certain death” by joining “human wave” attacks that they say are destroying entire units at a time.

Some are appealing directly to Putin in desperate videos, while others are standing up to Kremlin officials sent to quell the rebellion.

Reports are emerging of fighters being locked underground for declining to become targets in the “shooting range” that has become the front line.

Meanwhile the Russian army has been forced to create a new unit to round up all the “lost” soldiers deserting, fleeing or struggling to find their teams.

Soldiers from at least 16 different regions recorded video messages since early February to blame commanders for trying to use them in “human wave” attacks, according to a tally by Russian media outlet Verstka.

The Russian tactic of sending “human waves” of poorly trained and poorly armed fighters into the line of fire to overwhelm the opposition has become increasingly common, according to military observers.

The appeals come as the Ukrainian forces are reporting staggering Russian losses - between 590 to over 1,000 men a day. Russia’s long-awaited offensive is largely considered to have stalled amid a gruelling battle to take the small city of Bakhmut.

One of the most striking recent calls for help from soldiers came from a group of men who were called up from eastern Siberia’s Irkutsk region.

The man said he and his comrades were sent to the occupied Donetsk region, ostensibly to be a patrol force only to find out they were to join a now notorious human wave attack outside the town of Avdiivka that have been overwhelming the Ukrainian army.

“We’re just sent in for slaughter. The commanders are telling us in the face we’re disposable soldiers and our only chance to go back home is to get injured in fighting,” the soldier said.

“The commanders don’t care about our lives. We’re asking for help. We have no one else to turn to.”


A large number of complaints are likely to be connected to Russia’s offensive outside Avdiivka just like a previous wave of discontent in October and November came hand in hand with Russia’s attacks outside Vuhledar and Kreminna, according to Ruslan Leviev, head of open-source group Conflict Intelligence Team that has been tracing Russian troops since the first Russian incursion in Ukraine in 2014.

“We don’t know how much of this discontent is left unpublicised but those videos most likely speak to the use of ‘human wave attacks’ widely reported by the Ukrainian army,” Mr Leviev told The Telegraph.

Soldiers often hide their faces behind balaclavas and rarely speak to reporters, fearing that publicity would backfire against them or their families.

In another widely shared video, filmed in pitch black darkness, a Russian man with his camouflage jacket over his head can be seen reading out from a piece of paper, lit by a torch sitting in his lapel pocket:

“Vladimir Vladimirovich [Putin], this is a plea from men mobilised from the Irkutsk region. We’re asking you to look into the illegal and criminal orders of our commanders and take action,” the man says, asking Putin to stop sending former civilians like him to their deaths.

He says the unit of his predecessors who made a similar appeal was “almost completely wiped out”.


After four pleas from the 1439th regiment, the men’s female relatives recorded a desperate video last weekend, asking Putin, “our only hope” to “save our men”.

“The commanders have abandoned them and told them not to leave their positions. Our men have been without food or water for a few days but surviving under constant shelling,” the women who crowded on a beige couch in a sparsely furnished living room, said as one of them covered her face with a shawl, crying.

In response, Russia’s defence ministry released a video of a masked soldier who said he was from Irkutsk and that he was willing to serve.

People of Baikal, an Irkutsk media outlet in exile, was able to trace the men’s relatives after they posted desperate pleas on local social media groups that were subsequently deleted.

The wife of one of the men who recorded the appeal called him a “patriot who respected Putin and thought he was doing everything right in Ukraine”.

The woman’s husband, who was called up in September and ended up in Donetsk in November, described to her the grim reality he had to face in eastern Ukraine.

“(The commander) was sending them for slaughter: People were shot and killed like at a shooting range. The guys were all alone in a minefield, without any air support or any reinforcements,” the wife, whose identity was concealed, said.

Reports about an utter disarray in the Russian ranks have been pouring in even from pro-Kremlin sources.

Rybar, one of Russia’s most popular pro-war Telegram channels, earlier this week admitted in a lengthy piece that the country’s army faces the problem of soldiers who “got lost”.

An unknown number of troops are wandering around the front line looking for their units after being discharged from hospital or after losing their mates in battle.

“Sometimes things get absurd: a person can go around the front line for weeks, trying to find his unit while at the same time the recruitment office already listed him as a deserter,” Rybar said, attributing it to “chaos” and a break-down in communications within the military.

The defence ministry is also working to set up special units that would be gathering up all the “lost” soldiers before figuring out where to ship them next.

Most recently, Russian convicts who were recruited to fight began to rebel as well.

Media outlet Ostorozhno Novosti earlier this week published a video allegedly showing convicts thrown in a basement outside Donetsk as punishment for refusing to follow orders.

The men said only 11 people from their unit of 71 people survived.

“The defence ministry should be aware and responsible for us but maybe they have no idea,” an unidentified man said.

First, it was the notorious private military contractor Wagner, owned by former convict Yevgeny Prigozhin, that began recruiting convicts at Russian prisons but at the end of last year Russia’s defence ministry reportedly pushed Wagner aside to take its place.

“The military have no idea how to deal with these people,” Olga Romanova, head of the prisoner rights group Russia Behind Bars, told The Telegraph.

“You can imagine a group of prisoners, in their 30s and 40s, some of them repeated offenders, often convicted of violent crimes, who have very poor social skills and vague ideas about military discipline - and they get some young officer straight from military college as their commander.”

In arguably the most desperate appeal to date, mobilised men from 1004th regiment were seen confronting a commander who was dispatched from their native Kaliningrad to respond to a brewing mutiny.

The men, seen from the back, kept shouting at the visiting commander they have been used as “meat” and they refuse to go into attack.

“Why should I fight there? What for? Who for? They’re sending us to a sure death,” one man yelled.

“Go jail us! How much is it? 5, 7, 10? I don’t give a drat. At least I’ll get to live.”

The soldiers’ appeals also shed light on apparent friction between Russian troops and local militants in Donetsk who have been fighting against Ukrainian government troops since 2014.

The Kaliningrad recruits like the men from Irkutsk claimed that separatist commanders from Donetsk have been refusing to “waste” ammunition artillery to support them as one man said they were not given proper equipment or weapons.

“We get out there (to the front line) while (the Donetsk men) just sit around shamelessly, with all the equipment, night vision and stuff,” he said.

Mr Leviev of the Conflict Intelligence Team says the Donetsk militants who have been running low on local recruits are increasingly resentful of the Russian arrivals.

“There might be a certain grudge that DNR people were used as cannon fodder for eight years and later forced into a peace treaty - now the Russians disappointed the separatists who for eight years were hoping (Russia) would grind the Ukrainian army into dust.”

The men’s complaints echo with the UK Ministry of Defence’s report earlier this week that suggested a lack of supplies as it said mobilised reservists were sent into fight with firearms and shovels.

Officials from the men’s native regions have been trying to play down the protests, often by distributing the men to different units or sending them to the rear.

So far, however desperate the pleas are, Russia has yet to see a genuine wave of defection that would have an impact on its defence capabilities.

“Such stark appeals are still quite rare,” Mr Leviev said.

“The frequency and volume of those complaints are still not enough to get the Russian commanders to give up the tactic of human wave attacks.”

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Mar 10, 2023

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

HonorableTB posted:

Hahaha holy gently caress partisans set a Su-27 on fire at the Central Corner air base in Artyom, Primorsky Krai.


Just a burning jet, nothing else

https://v.redd.it/r266pa82uyma1

Is it confirmed by anyone else yet? I would have posted it earlier but only note of it is that Reddit chain and that could be some display model or parts donor hull being set fire. Could be big news if this was real, though.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Der Kyhe posted:

Is it confirmed by anyone else yet? I would have posted it earlier but only note of it is that Reddit chain and that could be some display model or parts donor hull being set fire. Could be big news if this was real, though.

Lol I looked up this air base where it happened. They have loving civilian houses within 100m of the base, which AREN'T ON THE BASE LMAO





I can totally see this being some pissed off mobik that just got papers to report or something. But if I see any other sources I'll drop them here for sure

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

HonorableTB posted:

Lol I looked up this air base where it happened. They have loving civilian houses within 100m of the base, which AREN'T ON THE BASE LMAO





I can totally see this being some pissed off mobik that just got papers to report or something. But if I see any other sources I'll drop them here for sure

It also means they are probably not patrolling the flightline which is a major no-no in base security.

USAF bases always have someone nearby the flightline on guard and usually a Security Forces vehicles driving around the flightline at night.

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


The WWF has been designated a foreign agent by the Russian government

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/03/2023/640b711d9a7947b72123165b

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Flavahbeast posted:

The WWF has been designated a foreign agent by the Russian government

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/03/2023/640b711d9a7947b72123165b

BAH GAWD THE RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES ARE BROKEN IN HALF :bahgawd:

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Flavahbeast posted:

The WWF has been designated a foreign agent by the Russian government

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/03/2023/640b711d9a7947b72123165b

Awk-waaaaaaaaaaaaaaard!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLTzd6qjeL8

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

Flavahbeast posted:

The WWF has been designated a foreign agent by the Russian government

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/03/2023/640b711d9a7947b72123165b

thats fine all Vince's big money is coming from the House of Saud now anyway

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug
Not sure if replies are jokes or if people are earnestly doing this.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
New call. Sounds bad. For uncle Vova

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Ptq_oXpEU

BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011

Nothing a complimentary sausage or two can't fix.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Killer robot posted:

Not sure if replies are jokes or if people are earnestly doing this.



lol

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Power Khan posted:

When you need to make a bigger boom and all you got right now is these defunct roombas

https://twitter.com/VictoriaIakove1/status/1634215848742379521

Mining for explosives

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Outrail posted:

Mining for explosives

Demining, really. For a bigger boom for the same buck even.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
I assumed those were rocks coming out of that mine

but that's high explosive isnt it :stare:

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

HonorableTB posted:

I assumed those were rocks coming out of that mine

but that's high explosive isnt it :stare:

Yep, TNT. You can shave it with knife for "extreme kindlins", shoot it with rifle, throw it around, and even toss it to oven and it just burns very very hot. It is stupidly inert until it is not, and that is when you have a primer to set it off.

Similarly, you can put out your cigarette on a cup full of diesel oil. Diesel needs pressure or suitable heat to flame up.

Just small things you learn in the army while bored.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 10, 2023

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Der Kyhe posted:

Yep, TNT. You can shave it with knife for "extreme kindlins", shoot it with rifle, throw it around, and even toss it to oven and it just burns very very hot. It is stupidly inert until it is not, when you have a primer to set it off.

Similarly, you can put out your smoke on a diesel oil. Diesel needs pressure or suitable heat to flame up.

Just small things you learn in the army while bored.

That's pretty incredible. I guess not all explosives are like Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane

FOOMF posted:

Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane, or CL-20, was developed as a highly energetic, compact, and efficient explosive. What makes it unusual is not that it blows up - go find me a small hexa-N-nitro compound that doesn't - but that it doesn't actually blow up immediately, early, and often. No, making things that go off when someone down the hall curses at the coffee machine, that's no problem. Making something like this that can actually be handled and stored is a real accomplishment.

Not that it's what you'd call a perfect compound in that regard - despite a lot of effort, it's still not quite ready to be hauled around in trucks. There's a recent report of a method to make a more stable form of it, by mixing it with TNT. Yes, this is an example of something that becomes less explosive as a one-to-one cocrystal with TNT. Although, as the authors point out, if you heat those crystals up the two components separate out, and you're left with crystals of pure CL-20 soaking in liquid TNT, a situation that will heighten your awareness of the fleeting nature of life.

or azidoazide azides

FOOMF posted:

The sensitivity of C2N14 is beyond our capabilities of measurement. The smallest possible loadings in shock and friction tests led to explosive decomposition. . .
Yep, below the detection limits of a lab that specializes in the nastiest, most energetic stuff they can think up. When you read through both papers, you find that the group was lucky to get whatever data they could - the X-ray crystal structure, for example, must have come as a huge relief, because it meant that they didn't have to ever see a crystal again. The compound exploded in solution, it exploded on any attempts to touch or move the solid, and (most interestingly) it exploded when they were trying to get an infrared spectrum of it. The papers mention several detonations inside the Raman spectrometer as soon as the laser source was turned on, which must have helped the time pass more quickly. This shows a really commendable level of persistence, when you think about it - I don't know about you, but one exploding spectrometer is generally enough to make recognize a motion to adjourn for the day. But these folks are a different breed. They ended up having to use a much weaker light source, and consequently got a rather ugly Raman spectrum even after a lot of scanning, but if you think you can get better data, then step right up.

No, only tiny amounts of this stuff have ever been made, or ever will be. If this is its last appearance in the chemical literature, I won't be surprised. There are no conceivable uses for it - well, other than blowing up Raman spectrometers, which is a small market - and the number of research groups who would even contemplate a resynthesis can probably be counted on one well-armored hand.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Mar 10, 2023

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

Flavahbeast posted:

The WWF has been designated a foreign agent by the Russian government

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/03/2023/640b711d9a7947b72123165b

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

HonorableTB posted:

That's pretty incredible. I guess not all explosives are like Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane

Dr. Klapötke from Germany has an interesting line of work, so to say, you should read about him sometime. He came up with a solution that was so volatile it explodes when you try to look at it via electomicroscope because scanning it is too much. :)

EDIT: Ah you already found his most famous work! :D

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Mar 10, 2023

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

EDIT: whoop my memory bad

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
New ISW dropped:

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1634036270719483904?s=20

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1634036275165396993?s=20

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1634036279640719363?s=20

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1634036281809289220?s=20


Bakhmut offensive has stalled out and sputtered to a halt

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


HonorableTB posted:

That's pretty incredible. I guess not all explosives are like Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane

or azidoazide azides

That reminds me, I need to read the dangerous chemicals thread again. That was a goldmine of fun and whacky chemicals, thatbudually explode.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Imagine running out of mercenaries. Poot-Poot-MaGoot spent too much time tattling on his classmates and not enough time playing Jagged Alliance 2 on his Russian university’s 486DX2/33 mainframe

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
I'm slightly surprised that cyberwarfare hasn't been a bigger deal than it has been so far. There was a big burst of cyberattacks at the beginning of the war but that seemed to stop pretty quickly and the last I remember hearing about the advanced persistent threats it was a news article about Ukraine tracking a hacker team back to their actual office and then launched a hellfire missile through the window and smoked them all

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
This is good for bitcoin Putin, somehow

DiomedesGodshill
Feb 21, 2009

HonorableTB posted:

Hahaha holy gently caress partisans set a Su-27 on fire at the Central Corner air base in Artyom, Primorsky Krai.


Just a burning jet, nothing else

https://v.redd.it/r266pa82uyma1


LOL Russia made an entire army unit dedicated just to finding lost mobiks, incredible. The Shepherd Brigade lol

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-army-unit-sent-soldiers-175916203.html

:tif:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013


Putin is jabroni mark rear end bitch

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

If they can break the back of Wagner it'll disprove a lot of US big heads thought on the situation. Which Ukraine has done. Multiple times.

And a front wide collapse is probably unlilely unless Ukraine snaps sieversonetsk or melitopol while the Russians are still assaulting bakhmut.

Time will tell.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

If they can break the back of Wagner it'll disprove a lot of US big heads thought on the situation. Which Ukraine has done. Multiple times.

And a front wide collapse is probably unlilely unless Ukraine snaps sieversonetsk or melitopol while the Russians are still assaulting bakhmut.

Time will tell.

Wagner's only got as much lasting power as Russia has prisoners that can be conscripted and forced to fight. Prigozhin's already exhausted the volunteers from the prisoner pop, the next step is just conscription whether you want to or not

thekeeshman
Feb 21, 2007

HonorableTB posted:

I'm slightly surprised that cyberwarfare hasn't been a bigger deal than it has been so far. There was a big burst of cyberattacks at the beginning of the war but that seemed to stop pretty quickly and the last I remember hearing about the advanced persistent threats it was a news article about Ukraine tracking a hacker team back to their actual office and then launched a hellfire missile through the window and smoked them all

Cyberwar is one realm where there are essentially no limits on what western countries and companies can do for Ukraine, at least defensively. Also it sounds like a lot of Russia's best IT people have fled the country before someone decided they would be more use dying in a trench, and most of them are probably trying to avoid drawing attention to themselves.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1634304986854092800

That's pretty cool. The 240 is heavy though and all that ammo....

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003


Nikolai Volkoff (Josip Peruzović) was actually Croatian.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Power Khan posted:

That's pretty cool. The 240 is heavy though and all that ammo....

Yeah jesus that's like carrying just a solid block of metal on your back basically.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

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Toxic Mental posted:

Yeah jesus that's like carrying just a solid block of metal on your back basically.

a solid block of heavy metal, brass and copper, that's a heavy fuckin' backpack

weg
Jun 6, 2006

Reassisted Retrogression

Power Khan posted:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1634304986854092800

That's pretty cool. The 240 is heavy though and all that ammo....

This seems like it would be most effective as a psychological weapon. Thinking your opponents were that heavily armed would be terrifying. If you're going to be shooting that much from a light machine gun wouldn't you also likely be stationary? Seems kinda cumbersome.

Unless you paired it with a Jin-Roh style armor suit and made anime real.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Lmao he looks like one of those super armored walking tank enemies from CoD.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

weg posted:

This seems like it would be most effective as a psychological weapon. Thinking your opponents were that heavily armed would be terrifying. If you're going to be shooting that much from a light machine gun wouldn't you also likely be stationary? Seems kinda cumbersome.

Unless you paired it with a Jin-Roh style armor suit and made anime real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marching_fire

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Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Power Khan posted:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1634304986854092800

That's pretty cool. The 240 is heavy though and all that ammo....

Not sure what gonna be worse - those dudes' backs, or the sanity of everyone around them hearing "I am Heavy Weapons Guy. And THIS is my weapon." over and over and over.

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