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Also that line he has about capital taking off its mask is probably the single most chilling thing I have encountered in any work of fiction, precisely because he's not wrong.
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Dolores Dei was just continuing the progress of history. It was Sola’s cowardice that condemned the world to death. Defeatism. Against the wall, please.
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Mar 9, 2023 17:45
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Idk if it’s thread speculation or real lore, but Dolores Dei and the other innocences accelerating the gloaming by reaching into the Pale and Sola refusing to lift a finger so she didn’t contribute to that means she’s actually the greatest innocence
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i am a moron posted:Idk if it’s thread speculation or real lore, but Dolores Dei and the other innocences accelerating the gloaming by reaching into the Pale and Sola refusing to lift a finger so she didn’t contribute to that means she’s actually the greatest innocence It’s the same terror in the face of History that the working class displayed in the 20th century of our own world, when they held capital by the throat and blinked.
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Mar 9, 2023 17:52
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Contrary to popular belief, capital and the metaphysical fabric of reality are not actually the same thing.
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The Innocences are Great Men, to accept their 'rightful progression of history' is to deny the accomplishments of all who worked under them. Did Dolores Dei single-handedly conduct her grand campaigns, concoct her grand strategems, lead every nation under her banner? No. She was a representative of a movement, a historical figure - An influential thinker and leader, to be sure, but not the sole arbiter of history. The working class does not require "Innocences" to lead them in communist revolution - To think such is to accept the liberal capitalist paradigm of history, rather than a perspective based on historical materialism.
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TheMaskedReader posted:The Innocences are Great Men, to accept their 'rightful progression of history' is to deny the accomplishments of all who worked under them. Did Dolores Dei single-handedly conduct her grand campaigns, concoct her grand strategems, lead every nation under her banner? No. She was a representative of a movement, a historical figure - An influential thinker and leader, to be sure, but not the sole arbiter of history. The working class does not require "Innocences" to lead them in communist revolution - To think such is to accept the liberal capitalist paradigm of history, rather than a perspective based on historical materialism. So you're a bartender?
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I'm suddenly reminded of why I avoided Disco Elysium like the plague for a longass time.
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TheMaskedReader posted:To think such is to accept the liberal capitalist paradigm of history, rather than a perspective based on historical materialism. Nah cause that implies there are only two options. A negation of a negation is a multitude not the original thesis.
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Innocences are not great persons of history, but rather literal interpretations of Napoleon at Jena by Hegel - embodiments of the world-spirit of Elysium and its historical possibilities, filtered by the person who happens to be an innocence. The thing to remember here is that an Innocence is still someone who is found and chosen by the holy party (the moralintern’s predecessor). Just because there’s Pale and all the weird, grander stuff doesn’t mean historical materialism is out the window. Dolores Dei wouldn’t be Dolores Dei if she was a plebeian woman somewhere in the periphery of Mundi; she had to be an aristocrat first.
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If you have 10 or more electrochemistry and are high on 4 different types of drugs at once you should get a hidden innocence quest imo
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You should become a new cocaine skull--or better, a whole cocaine skeleton
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Picking this game up again after putting it down about a year ago. The first time through I realized I'd stumbled most of the way through the main case by the end of Day 2 because I was trying to rush. Games with any sort of timer seriously mess with my head. Trying to take it slow this time around. Kim Kitsuragi is the best-written party member in any RPG ever. That is all.
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Skippy McPants posted:Picking this game up again after putting it down about a year ago. The first time through I realized I'd stumbled most of the way through the main case by the end of Day 2 because I was trying to rush. Games with any sort of timer seriously mess with my head. Trying to take it slow this time around. It might be for all games ever, not just RPGs. I wish I knew Kim when I was an eight year old, so I could use him as a child role model and grow up to be like him
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That's fair. I can imagine Kim in games like God of War, Assassin's Creed, or Farcry and it'd be a significant improvement.
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He’s responsible without being a buzzkill. The impossible npc
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Innocences are not great persons of history, but rather literal interpretations of Napoleon at Jena by Hegel - embodiments of the world-spirit of Elysium and its historical possibilities, filtered by the person who happens to be an innocence. Right, which she became because she married an influential aristocrat. The game doesn't say if she was one herself or born from more humble beginnings, but if she was some sort of precog mutant then her using a rich dude to get into an influential position to leverage into becoming Jesus doesn't seem too far fetched
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christmas boots posted:He’s responsible without being a buzzkill. The impossible npc More than that, he's responsible but doesn't want to be the killjoy, in spite of his claims. He invites the player to be whacky. For all his practiced dependability, some part of his nebbish repressed core wants to cut loose. He's a wonderful straight man because, deep down, you can tell he wants Harry to take him on adventures and be his manic pixie dream girl. That makes him the perfect foil for the player character in an RPG.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Also that line he has about capital taking off its mask is probably the single most chilling thing I have encountered in any work of fiction, precisely because he's not wrong. I mean, especially when COVID happened and capitalism went "gently caress public health get back to work NOW"
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Would you gently caress Kim K. Yes/No?
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KORNOLOGY posted:Would you gently caress Kim K. Yes/No? I would respect Kim's desire for a professional relationship.
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Mar 11, 2023 16:34
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Harry can't just abandon Jean and shack up with the new boy. That's a sure way to lead to Our Flag Means Death-style shenanigans.
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Don't gently caress the police.
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Inland Empire is way ahead of you
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So after a bazillion years I finally realized Dolores is Spanish for pain but also a play on words that means money.
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I don’t clock the money pun, can you elaborate? to me the etymology of her name was always dolores dei as latin for sorrows of god, but also the blonde american singer and actress doris day, of “pillow talk”, “my dreams are getting better all the time”, and “que sera, sera (whatever will be, will be)” renown
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dolares is dollars
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Ok I didn't get any of that, wow
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KORNOLOGY posted:So after a bazillion years I finally realized Dolores is Spanish for pain but also a play on words that means money. Dolores Dei would be more like the “sorrows of God”. It was a rather popular Iberian catholic name
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Dolores Dei would be more like the “sorrows of God”. It was a rather popular Iberian catholic name Everyday you learn something
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Haha no chance
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Glad to see there's still men of principle in these times of eroding values.
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I basically played the whole game on the weekend and: 1. Wow 2. Does anyone have more current information than the Wikipedia article regarding the legal issues/ english translation of novel/ TV series? 3. I am a bit disappointed about just how easy it is to lose the game right at the beginning and also how you can spend hours researching a Thought only to find out you don't want it and having to wait until the next skill point to rid yourself of it. 4. Also not a huge fan of playing dressup for skill bonuses. 5. Did I say wow? E: and humorously- flirting with a gay man unintentionally and only realising I did later because I actually am that obtuse 
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So I was thinking, what about a DLC from Kits prospective?
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Lt. Kitsuragi's daily log: "Today he insisted on stripping down to his socks and underpants and talking to everyone in an exaggerated Swedish accent. It got results, somehow."
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KORNOLOGY posted:So I was thinking, what about a DLC from Kits prospective? 
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Is Harrier going to be my work husband? I just need to let him flow....
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God, this game is so good. It's the second time I've seen it now but the moment when Volition drops a dime on your other thoughts during the Klaasje interview, and also when you first find the bullet. gently caress. This is about where I stopped last time I so hope there are more of these moments, these... dialogue set pieces. That's the only way I can describe them, and they hit harder than a multi-million-dollar VFX spectacle. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Mar 13, 2023 |
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Skippy McPants posted:and also when you find first the bullet. gently caress. Fuckin' *CAVITY*, C!
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Lore Question: it's established that travel between isola requires passing through the pale, which is exceedingly difficult, and accomplished via aerostatic. So how does the Coalition move fleets of warships from one isola to another?
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